KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:05:00 -
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When 1.7's FW system came out, I made this thread which then got ignored for 6 months, but now that the messiah Rattati has emerged, there is now some chance of feedback actually being taken into consideration.
[Comparison]
A purely ISK-bought standard fitting:
STD Minmatar logistics
2X basic shield extended
Basic armor plate
Basic armor repair module
STD mass driver
STD RE
STD active scanner
STD repair tool
Cost: 11,850 ISK
Now the same standard fitting in pure LP-bought faction store items (republic and federal):
STD Minmatar logistics
2X basic shield extended
Basic armor plate
Basic armor repair module
STD mass driver
STD RE
STD active scanner
STD repair tool
Cost: 200 LP (140 Republic / 60 Federal)
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A purely ISK-bought prototype fitting:
scout mk.0
Freedom mass driver
Six Kin SMG
Complex shield extender
Complex shield recharger
Complex sidearm damage mod
Complex armor rep
Complex armor plate
Complex codebreaker
Cost: 155,760 ISK
Now the same prototype fitting in pure LP-bought faction store items (republic and federal):
Republic scout mk.0
Republic Freedom mass driver
Republic Six Kin SMG
Republic complex shield extender
Republic complex shield recharger
Republic complex sidearm damage mod
Federation complex armor rep
Federation complex armor plate
Federation complex codebreaker
Cost: 805 LP (580 Republic / 225 Federal)
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[Problem]
ISK rewards of public contracts on average range from 70-400K ISK depending on your performance; this is not exact, but based on experience. 70k represents absolute laziness (like AFK farming), and 400k represents performing extremely well.
With the ISK rewards you can buy between 05.91-33.76 full fits of the STD ISK fitting.
With the ISK rewards you can buy between 00.45-02.57 full fits of the PRO ISK fitting.
LP rewards of FW contracts on average range from 326-659 LP depending on your standing. This is based on these numbers released by CCP.
With the LP rewards you can buy between 01.63-03.30 full fits (depending on standing) of the PRO LP fitting.
With the LP rewards you can buy between 00.41-00.82 full fits (depending on standing) of the PRO LP fitting.
See any problem with that? ISK rewards let you buy 6-33 standard fits, or 1/2-2 prototype. LP rewards even for a victory with level 10 standing can only buy you 3 equivalent standard, or less than 1 equivalent prototype fits. The very best FW rewards are still awful compared to the very worst public Skirmish reward. LP rewards comparatively suck for buying low tier stuff, and sucks for buying high tier stuff as well.
No player market will eve be coming for Dust, so the whole "you will be able to profit from FW by selling LP items" argument is completely dead. Even if you could sell LP items you bought, items bought with a level 10 standing victory LP reward would have to be priced around 6 that of ISK-bought equivalents just to match the rewards of an average Skirmish (I covered why 6x it in the original thread I linked).
[Solution]
FW is high risk: practically no pay for losses, no standings gain for losses, and friendly fire. High risk should come with high reward. If a loss is worth close to nothing, a victory should be almost equivalent to twice the average Skirmish payout. This could be done by
A) Increase both victory and defeat LP rewards by 5x. This would mean that a victory with 0 standing to buy 8 STD fits (for comparison, ISK rewards buy 6-33 STD fits), this would make it at least better than AFK farming in a public Skirmish. With a level 10 standings victory, you could buy around 4 PRO fits (for comparison, ISK rewards buy over 2 PRO fits).
B) add the same (or reduced) public battle ISK rewards to FW in addition to LP rewards.
Why should high risk come with lower rewards?
[Somewhat related]
LP store is lacking a ton of stuff: Caldari scout, Cal sentinel, Cal commando, magsec, bolt pistol. Minmatar scout, Min sentinel, Min commando, standard and advanced combat rifles. Gallente sentinel, Gal commando, ion pistol. Amarr scout. Some weapons have both a PRO specialist and less expensive non-specialist variants (SCR), while others only have the expensive specialist variant as an option (AR); all PRO LP weapons should have both a specialist and a non-specialist version.
Imperial commando AK.0 still has a sidearm in addition to the 2 light weapon slots. No other prototype LP suit has this extra advantage over regular ISK proto, so I assume this is unintentional.
Thank you for reading.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.06.28 21:20:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I'll just throw this on top of the pile too:
Can we please at least have a token standings increase for high performers in a loss? Even just 10 points would make it a lot less infuriating to drop 3x as many WP as the #2 person on the board and get essentially nothing for it.
1 standings point for every 100 WP, a set number of points for the top few people on the leaderboard, something! Throw the Amarr and Caldari a bone here!
I support
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