I have thought the same, interesting to hear other peoples thoughts.

Hello there, while I may have no credibility as a game designer or expert player*, I was thinking of an interesting change to the battlefield that would make the game more intense and dynamic without the need to change much.

Seeing that there is never going to be deploy-able installations, that a dramatic buff to the hit points of weapon installations would make a lot of sense. Right now, the only thing they are good for are Pilots and AVers to farm early warpoints at the beginning of a battle. They make seemingly no difference in battle and aren't really a threat to anybody with mild common sense. But, if they were buffed to a reasonable level (I'd say to about the EHP of supply depot) that people would take them far more seriously.

Imagine if pilots had to start strategically maneuvering around not only other tanks and forge gunners, but also powerful installations. Their teammates would now need to start carefully infiltrating the area and hack the installation for their team pilots to safely access the region. This would give scouts more EWAR focused missions to have (minmatar), add additional ways to setup fortified strongholds, and give some of the newer players and those without proper AV an actual chance to stand toe to toe with skilled pilots.

I haven't spent extensive time as pilot, so if any of you think this would be unreasonable, please speak up. Some of the current installation placements may make this idea problematic but I think so much could be added to the current meta with this change, and in a positive way. Thanks for your time and I'd like to know what you all have to say on the matter.

I like the idea but it seems a bit biased for tanks. If installations had similar eHP to supply depots then it would take an unreasonable amount of time for a dropshop to kill one (I am talking the potential for minutes here). In a tank it wouldn't be so bad, just find a nice piece of cover to roll forth from and back to until it's dead and eventually it will die. In a dropship however rail and missile installations both buck the dropship upon impact (making aiming more difficult on top of how hard it is already) plus dropships rarely have terrain to hide behind so they must hover in the safe spot above it (which screams to any AV within 500m "please come and shoot me while I am sitting still in the sky and am a easy target").
Oh an missile installations have unlimited range and, as a dropship pilot, the only thing I hate more is kamikaze dropships. Unlimited range + near constant volleys + high impact shots + taking minutes to kill = OP vs dropship pilots multiple levels.

Good because ADS is intolerable on the battleifeld. Once you hit an incubus with one shot, they activate the afterburner and is out of there with their double or triple armor reppers. Same could be said about pythons. Swarms can't touch..neither can tank rails since the distance nerf. All ADS pilots do is go high and drop behind the tank....and if they have a gunner, good luck.

1. Installations should receive a significant buff in ehp, but not in the order of magnitude of a supply depot or CRU. Right now I wouldn't mind if the ehp of installations was doubled.
2. If you want to see people try to repair installations while they are under attack, consider granting them passive resists to all relevant damage types. This way a Logi with a rep-tool has a better chance of standing up to the DPS of a railgun turret. Just make sure an installation doesn't turn invulnerable when maintained by a single player.
Fyi: The highest repair rate on an installation achievable is 151 hp/s (core focused rep tool repairs 121 hp/s on installations, +25% Minmatar Logi bonus).
A single IAFG sits at ~450 dps including reloads (1500 hp * 4 / (3*4s*0.75 + 4s) )
3. In a dream world I think installations should respawn a while after they have been destroyed. Just to keep installations as a factor during the whole match.
4. Finally, please make sure that WP for neutral turrets is removed. It's overdue.

I have thought the same, interesting to hear other peoples thoughts. Would make tanks less "run around and two-shot all the installations first" and actually have to worry a little about them.

I think you'll find it takes a railgun tank 4 shots to destroy an installation, whereas an installation still deals original "UNNERFED" damage to tanks. If a tank is in a battle, a railgun installation will definitely turn the tide.

The missile installation can successfully deter ADS and hot drop pilots all day.
The blaster is a good suppression turret and can annihilate infantry and LAVs as well as dropships in the right hands.

Buffing the HP of installations would result in more people camping in them, even people repping them.

This would make the game slower paced, more frustrating and "campy"

Don't think turrets have infinite range, will double check and make sure the turrets aren't over powered as a result.

I also see a second benefit of strong redline turrets, to make escaping a vehicle spawn camp at the redline.

I think you'll find it takes a railgun tank 4 shots to destroy an installation, whereas an installation still deals original "UNNERFED" damage to tanks. If a tank is in a battle, a railgun installation will definitely turn the tide.

The missile installation can successfully deter ADS and hot drop pilots all day.
The blaster is a good suppression turret and can annihilate infantry and LAVs as well as dropships in the right hands.

Buffing the HP of installations would result in more people camping in them, even people repping them.

This would make the game slower paced, more frustrating and "campy"

The missile installations are essentially the old large missiles- very long range, but it doesn't really matter because the damage is laughable.

Aside from the fact that ADSs are far from untouchable anymore, could you stick to the point at hand: we're talking about Turret Installations.

The only reason I brought up ADSs earlier is because of redline Missile Turrets having infinite range. Dropships are concerned about Turrets at the moment, just like HAVs, but only slightly. A buff to the toughness of Installations would serve to make them harder to destroy (obviously) but that would have the knock on effect of making their presence felt a ot more by those vehicle pilots.



(And as far as ADSs go, you can quite comfortably kill them now. Easy? No. Impossible? Far from it. If a pilot is afterburning away immediately after a single AV hit, they are going to be contributing very little to the outcome of the match. All ADS pilots from 1.6 knows this, though it's not nearly as bad as then.)

One...I wasn't responding to your statement about ADS. Second...I don't think you play the game much if you think you can "quite comfortably" kill a decent ADS pilot.

I have thought the same, interesting to hear other peoples thoughts. Would make tanks less "run around and two-shot all the installations first" and actually have to worry a little about them.

I have Swarm Launchers up to L3 and am a committed Incubus and Python pilot. From both sides I see AV killing ADS. I have killed ADSs single handedly after the Bravo update, though against a good pilot it is not as simple as, "Lock, Fire, Derp, Fire, Derp, Fire, Reload."

As I mentioned though, an ADS pilot who is 'burning away for half the match because of AV is not going to be contributing a whole lot. Not to mention the AVer is going to be getting war points from the damage they deal.

With regards to the installations, ADSs have to come down fairly low, even with gunners, which means that if more than one turret can see them, there's a strong likelihood of the ADS being hurt severely enough to retreat, and if any AVer is paying attention there is a not insignificant chance of them getting downed.

ADSs are hard to kill if the pilot is aware of their surroundings. AV can kill them, and a little coordination goes a long way to achieving that.

So, do you have anything to say about the installations at all, or are you just here to complain?

Problem of installations always consist in how quickly they can switch side and became extremely dangerous.
Yes, they are dangerous that's why everyone is destroying them at the beginning of match. It has nothing to do with they EHP, they are silent-killers - if you will let blueberry to hack them, he will not defend them from enemy hack, when they are red and you retreat next to them with 25-35%HP left you are dead.

I have thought the same, interesting to hear other peoples thoughts. Would make tanks less "run around and two-shot all the installations first" and actually have to worry a little about them.

This is a good idea but id like to see railgun turret AI toned down first. If rail turrets are there for the whole game youll have a lot of infantry getting one shotted by AI that they havent even seen, which is the opposite of fun. Unmanned rail turrets should never shoot at infantry unless fired on with AV weapons IMO

Don't think turrets have infinite range, will double check and make sure the turrets aren't over powered as a result.

I also see a second benefit of strong redline turrets, to make escaping a vehicle spawn camp at the redline.

I have thought the same, interesting to hear other peoples thoughts. Would make tanks less "run around and two-shot all the installations first" and actually have to worry a little about them.

I've been saying this for a year.
(This is the first time I haven't seen Spkr's pitiful attempts at logic included.)
With the absolute Range now nerfed on Railgun and Missile Installations, why the hell not?

More drops in OMS (at least 100%). Please.

Installations are 3 shots from my FG and yield 100 WP. A Supply Depot takes my entire ammo cache, yet only yields 50 WP. CRU Destruction should be 100 WP (minimally) because of its high HP and importance on the field.

you know i never though there was a functional brain inside ccp until i saw you. yes i think this is a great idea..one i have been for for a long time. although i would also like to note

that rail gun installations have more range than rail tanks also they're ai is incredibly strong if your going to buff the ehp to make it take some serious time to kill them you should make they're offensive abilities more similar to the tanks.

i think blaster installation ai could be buffed they are pretty weak..i would like to see infantry not running right at the red blaster installation without it even trying to kill em

This is a good idea but id like to see railgun turret AI toned down first. If rail turrets are there for the whole game youll have a lot of infantry getting one shotted by AI that they havent even seen, which is the opposite of fun. Unmanned rail turrets should never shoot at infantry unless fired on with AV weapons IMO

Don't think turrets have infinite range, will double check and make sure the turrets aren't over powered as a result.

I also see a second benefit of strong redline turrets, to make escaping a vehicle spawn camp at the redline.