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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:56:00 -
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I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11003
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:59:00 -
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KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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The Rainbow Affect
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:59:00 -
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Tell me about it....
Not to mention all the sobs who put in blank apps....
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5369
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:05:00 -
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Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates)
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:08:00 -
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Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer....
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters.
what job is that?
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Cavani1EE7
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:10:00 -
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KDR is a guideline. It's annoying to see shotty scouts with a 1.5 kdr who do nothing but making fool attempts on killing heavies and jerking around typing they are "slayers" when the word come out in VC.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer....
slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:17:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates)
wp/death matters most for logis. That's a stat that is good for a logis. But for slayers/assaults the KDR stat means something.
People have to realize that KDR does mean something. It's not the end all be all but it does mean something. It's like when you're searching for a job.....your resume is what a recruiter sees first. An impressive resume may grant you an interview over a not so impressive one. Your KDR is like your resume.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11005
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:22:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that?
Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve.
Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal.
In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it.
Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them?
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:24:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it. |
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:26:00 -
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Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve. Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal. In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it. Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them?
Having a higher KDR means that you are killing more than you are dying.....it is safe to assume that you may be alive long enough to reach the objective. If you can't stay alive, it is much harder to cap and hold objectives, correct?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that?
Min Scout w/ Hack V
I slay in the City and make sure we flip objectives quickly.
^Am I doing it right?
That Crazy Minmatar Fanatic
Stabbing Heavies for the Republic since Uprising 1.1
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it.
I truly did laugh at loud +1 lol
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:28:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates)
Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too...... |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:28:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs....
Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:30:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it. I truly did laugh at loud +1 lol Because I could tell you are a moon cricket even though we have never talked?
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3144
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:30:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Min Scout w/ Hack V I slay in the City and make sure we flip objectives quickly. ^Am I doing it right?
That is actually pretty good. It is informative and lets one know whether they can or need to use you. Anyone talking about slaying should drop in their KDR as well.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3144
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:30:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it. I truly did laugh at loud +1 lol Because I could tell you are a moon cricket even though we have never talked?
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:31:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates) Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too......
lol....is this your main acct? The one in which you killed an entire squad of RND?
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:36:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it. I truly did laugh at loud +1 lol Because I could tell you are a moon cricket even though we have never talked? And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed.....
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:37:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D
I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs.
KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS.... |
NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:37:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates) Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too...... lol....is this your main acct? The one in which you killed an entire squad of RND?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11007
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:40:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve. Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal. In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it. Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them? Having a higher KDR means that you are killing more than you are dying.....it is safe to assume that you may be alive long enough to reach the objective. If you can't stay alive, it is much harder to cap and hold objectives, correct?
Yes and no.
All a high KDR tells me is that you have a great deal of kills for few deaths. For all I know you are just as bad as Duna running against pubbies padding that KDR for your own vanity.
That vanity means nothing to me.
I expect a Player I hire to die as many times as required to achieve their goal. Survival rates are inconsequential before results (ala Imperial Guard Mob and Charge).
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:41:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs. KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS....
EZ Cheap mode? Like running a whole squad of proto in pubs? Or how about joining DNS.and you all blueing up so you dont have to fight? Is that ez cheap mode? |
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve. Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal. In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it. Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them? Having a higher KDR means that you are killing more than you are dying.....it is safe to assume that you may be alive long enough to reach the objective. If you can't stay alive, it is much harder to cap and hold objectives, correct? Yes and no. All a high KDR tells me is that you have a great deal of kills for few deaths. For all I know you are just as bad as Duna running against pubbies padding that KDR for your own vanity. That vanity means nothing to me. I expect a Player I hire to die as many times as required to achieve their goal. Survival rates are inconsequential before results (ala Imperial Guard Mob and Charge).
Well, untill you get cloned that is....
I like this part of Dust, throwing bodies at an objective is far from enough and hardly a viable tactic in the long run.... |
NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:44:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs. KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS....
And then lets not forget how many of you boost on Oceania or some such server. Its been recorded a thousand
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:47:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed.....
lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:49:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates) Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too...... lol....is this your main acct? The one in which you killed an entire squad of RND? Nope but my main is banned. But you were one of em, Alpha CRU on Line Harvest, killed you ,Anno, Sticky, Roeg, and one more with a RR from the ledge beneath the tower, any other questions turd?
What is your main acct? I can sit here and type how I held all 5 objectives by myself against 2 squads all day as well.
Saying our names just means that you're a big fan :)
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:51:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed..... lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol.
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:
Well, untill you get cloned that is....
I like this part of Dust, throwing bodies at an objective is far from enough and hardly a viable tactic in the long run....
Fair call but how does KDR make you any more suited for a role I chose to give you? I don't care whether you mercenaries go positive, as long as you can do the job. Too many variables contribute to KDR for it to be a valuable statistic.
For example I've squadded with PC players, with high KDR, in FW contracts and they have been disrespectful and arrogant, they were kicked for not following squad orders, and generally destabilising the squad and sync as a whole, and we'd still win without them.
I can't say anyone in our squads had much higher than a 2.75 and it never mattered.
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates) Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too...... lol....is this your main acct? The one in which you killed an entire squad of RND? Nope but my main is banned. But you were one of em, Alpha CRU on Line Harvest, killed you ,Anno, Sticky, Roeg, and one more with a RR from the ledge beneath the tower, any other questions turd? What is your main acct? I can sit here and type how I held all 5 objectives by myself against 2 squads all day as well. Saying our names just means that you're a big fan :) Im only friends with one of you, and I only like his white half. My name is hidden so you dont go tell the police......
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Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that
As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume.
I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR?
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs. KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS.... EZ Cheap mode? Like running a whole squad of proto in pubs? Or how about joining DNS.and you all blueing up so you dont have to fight? Is that ez cheap mode?
First off, forget about the "running proto" side off things, my main doesn't have a single fitting that isn't proto, we use the stuff we have unlocked, we have more isk than we can possibly spend and this is without ever having a single district for more than a week.
And in case you numnuts haven't gotten it yet, the whole point of DNS was to force CCP to get rid of passive isk generation from holding districts, did we manage to do that? Yes we did. (And yes, we still have DNS tags due to some technical problems...)
Its like talking to children, you have to speak at a lower level....
"Cheap EZ-mode" is when someone jumps out of a LAV with a HMG fatty, kills whoever is there and speeds off again as soon as someone fires at him. Its when Taka and his girlfriend stays on or close to the redline the entire game in their tanks not caring the slightest if they win or lose. Its all those morons who spend most of their games sitting on top of a rooftop. Its all the bastards in the redline with a sniper. In short, anyone who cares more for boosting their stats than actually getting in there and flipping those objectives.... |
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Got to agree it looks kinda stupid if you state what equipment you use. Using proto gear is not a privilage in PC matches it is a basic requirement. Whats more usefull to know is what playstyle you are going to use like for example this:
-heavy as point defence and av (lets be honest a heavy that has no forgegun is not a heavy)
-logi as support (support= uplinks, nanohives, reps and scans).
-scout as ninja hacker/assault
-ADS pilot with focus on AV (incubus with small rails for example)
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I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69 |
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume. I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR?
If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed..... lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol. If im a geek then youre a slave. That work for you? Im so much of a geek id f u c k your kids boy.
lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs. KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS.... And then lets not forget how many of you boost on Oceania or some such server. Its been recorded a thousand times.
I have no idea what that even means, I've never played a game on that server, is it easier there or something? How do you "boost" there? What dies "boosting" even mean in a game like Dust? |
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume. I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR? If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes.
I'm not talking about logis
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates)
I prioritize uplink, if i die but take away respawn points its a win.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:58:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69
Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:59:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume. I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR? If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes. I'm not talking about logis
KDR applies to logis as well as anyone else.
Do I care what you want if I am the one hiring?
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:
If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes.
I'm not talking about logis KDR applies to logis as well as anyone else. Do I care what you want if I am the one hiring?
you say, "if that 5.0 lets his heavy die". As an assault/slayer, you're not supposed to babysit heavies and make sure you die before they do. You're supposed to kill......so for that role, a 0.5 KD player shouldn't even speak.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69 Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district.
You imply that anyone with a decent KDR do not go as hard for the win.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:03:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed..... lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol. If im a geek then youre a slave. That work for you? Im so much of a geek id f u c k your kids boy. lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
I didn't know that Dubbs, do you speak Norwegian too?
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer.... slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer
An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based.
A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock.
So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69 Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:10:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed..... lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol. If im a geek then youre a slave. That work for you? Im so much of a geek id f u c k your kids boy. lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
No the crazy thing is, im a fan, im just trolling you Dubbs, ;) be cool, pz.... |
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:11:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:True Adamance wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69 Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district. LOL - he said "cruacial"
Since you aren't invested in FW Dust and EVE side you do not see or even have an idea of how Dust can and does affect FW as a whole.
Since I've seen systems go into Vulnerable and drop out of vulnerable because Dust players took back system districts making it easier to deplex the system.
I've seen the differences how easy it is to defend and attack systems where we own the ground zones. In fact was a part of the Reclaiming Fleet that went through and captured 8 systems on the very same day Amarr took domination of the warzone.
That is important than owning land, but no space in some backwater like Molden Heath. Dust players never owned Molden Heath, the corps that inhabited the space always did.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:15:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
I didn't know that Dubbs, do you speak Norwegian too? I'm 100% Norwegian.... (But I do know Kung-Fu so....)
Nah, I'm not norwegian ;)
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer.... slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based. A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock. So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough.
I also posted in the same post.....that "common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that". Everything else is an assault/slayer role.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:18:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs.... Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs. KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS.... EZ Cheap mode? Like running a whole squad of proto in pubs? Or how about joining DNS.and you all blueing up so you dont have to fight? Is that ez cheap mode? First off, forget about the "running proto" side off things, my main doesn't have a single fitting that isn't proto, we use the stuff we have unlocked, we have more isk than we can possibly spend and this is without ever having a single district for more than a week. And in case you numnuts haven't gotten it yet, the whole point of DNS was to force CCP to get rid of passive isk generation from holding districts, did we manage to do that? Yes we did. (And yes, we still have DNS tags due to some technical problems...) Its like talking to children, you have to speak at a lower level.... "Cheap EZ-mode" is when someone jumps out of a LAV with a HMG fatty, kills whoever is there and speeds off again as soon as someone fires at him. Its when Taka and his girlfriend stays on or close to the redline the entire game in their tanks not caring the slightest if they win or lose. Its all those morons who spend most of their games sitting on top of a rooftop. Its all the bastards in the redline with a sniper. In short, anyone who cares more for boosting their stats than actually getting in there and flipping those objectives.... Yes Im an idiot, which is why DNS Black was on pod cast he said the point of DNS.was to take over Molden Heath and then create a tournament system that dns would then administrate, furthermore the gamimg company that agreed to manage this system subsequently backed out on DNS during this same pod cast once she found out the true nature of how dns would gain control. 2 weeks later dns dissolved. Perhaps you need to find out what you are truly part of, with all the ulterior motives, hidden agendas and ultimate goals rather than simply being a talking head in grouo of people you dont really know. Let me know if you would like that pod cast link.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:19:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
I didn't know that Dubbs, do you speak Norwegian too? I'm 100% Norwegian.... (But I do know Kung-Fu so....) Nah, I'm not norwegian ;)
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it.
He's not making them rules. It's advice if you actually want to get hired to play PC. Don't waste the recruiter or FCs time.
The Amarr scout bonus is like the old Amarr sentinel bonus. No one needed 25% reduction to overheat damage on a heavy;_;
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
84
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it.
He's not making them rules. It's advice if you actually want to get hired to play PC. Don't waste the recruiter or FCs time.
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The Rainbow Affect
The Rainbow Effect
Dirt Nap Squad.
28
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D
I miss the MAG forums QQ, too much carebear and crybaby stuff going on here. And everytime the grownups tries to have a decent conversation we have to endure these, well, scrubs. KDR is very important, but only if you play for the win and push objectives. Anyone can be a perifferee hero in this game. Its just laughable seing a lot of players playing defensively with what I call "cheap EZ-mode tactics" and still they think they're good for having a 2.2 KDR in the worlds least competative FPS.... EZ Cheap mode? Like running a whole squad of proto in pubs? Or how about joining DNS.and you all blueing up so you dont have to fight? Is that ez cheap mode? First off, forget about the "running proto" side off things, my main doesn't have a single fitting that isn't proto, we use the stuff we have unlocked, we have more isk than we can possibly spend and this is without ever having a single district for more than a week. And in case you numnuts haven't gotten it yet, the whole point of DNS was to force CCP to get rid of passive isk generation from holding districts, did we manage to do that? Yes we did. (And yes, we still have DNS tags due to some technical problems...) Its like talking to children, you have to speak at a lower level.... "Cheap EZ-mode" is when someone jumps out of a LAV with a HMG fatty, kills whoever is there and speeds off again as soon as someone fires at him. Its when Taka and his girlfriend stays on or close to the redline the entire game in their tanks not caring the slightest if they win or lose. Its all those morons who spend most of their games sitting on top of a rooftop. Its all the bastards in the redline with a sniper. In short, anyone who cares more for boosting their stats than actually getting in there and flipping those objectives.... Yes Im an idiot, which is why DNS Black was on pod cast he said the point of DNS.was to take over Molden Heath and then create a tournament system that dns would then administrate, furthermore the gamimg company that agreed to manage this system subsequently backed out on DNS during this same pod cast once she found out the true nature of how dns would gain control. 2 weeks later dns dissolved. Perhaps you need to find out what you are truly part of, with all the ulterior motives, hidden agendas and ultimate goals rather than simply being a talking head in grouo of people you dont really know. Let me know if you would like that pod cast link.
Do you really expect me to care that much?
We mostly did it for the ISK, and the chance to rid MH of passive isk farming, (mostly casue we didn't get it ourselves...) both objectives reached...
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5374
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:37:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer.... slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based. A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock. So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough. I also posted in the same post.....that "common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that". Everything else is an assault/slayer role.
Frames hardly spell out anything by themselves.
What a fitting is capable of is about the combination of weapons as well as dropsuit.
A shotgun assault isn't capable of offensive area-denial, but they're great at defensive area-denial (given the right area), and mediocre shock. A shotgun scout, meanwhile, can pull off the shock role quite well, while doing mediocre defensive area-denial.
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:38:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:[quote=NIETZCHES OVERMAN][quote=The Rainbow Affect][quote=NIETZCHES OVERMAN][quote=The Rainbow Affect]
Do you really expect me to care that much?
We mostly did it for the ISK, and the chance to rid MH of passive isk farming, (mostly casue we didn't get it ourselves...) both objectives reached...
Lol first you said it was to stop passive isk gain.... 2 things are clear 1 you dont knkw what you are talking about and 2 you will lie. You didnt do anything except what you were told. Just like FA was told after their surrender and entry into DNS that they couldnt hold districts, and they did what they were told. If you domt know what you are talking about, and I venture to say you dont even know who the hell Black is, then please just stfu?
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3144
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:43:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer.... slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based. A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock. So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough. I also posted in the same post.....that "common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that". Everything else is an assault/slayer role. Frames hardly spell out anything by themselves. What a fitting is capable of is about the combination of weapons as well as dropsuit. A shotgun assault isn't capable of offensive area-denial, but they're great at defensive area-denial (given the right area), and mediocre shock. A shotgun scout, meanwhile, can pull off the shock role quite well, while doing mediocre defensive area-denial.
I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make....it almost sounds like you're making my point for me.
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Michael Arck
4830
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:00:00 -
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Well Dubbs, you're just a different beast of a player. For you KDR and such matters most. Those translate to you as what the mercenary can produce cause you probably, more than likely, come from a long career of FPS games where KDR is THE stat that defines the player.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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The Rainbow Affect
The Rainbow Effect
Dirt Nap Squad.
30
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:01:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:The Rainbow Affect wrote:[quote=NIETZCHES OVERMAN][quote=The Rainbow Affect][quote=NIETZCHES OVERMAN]
Lol first you said it was to stop passive isk gain.... 2 things are clear 1 you dont knkw what you are talking about and 2 you will lie. You didnt do anything except what you were told. Just like FA was told after their surrender and entry into DNS that they couldnt hold districts, and they did what they were told. If you domt know what you are talking about, and I venture to say you dont even know who the hell Black is, then please just stfu?
Well first off, I've never cared for the EVE side of it all, thats why we're still in DNS after all this time. We haven't gotten around to leave EVE side yet which means our Dust corp still is in DNS. At the time, entering DNS was merely a practical matter so they didn't have to put details of all those CB's in multiple channels.
I haven't lied, we did set out to stop passive isk farming, that part was clear from the start, it was Kain's baby and we agreed, and we did earn a lot of isk doing so, which was a neccissary incentive. So tell me what lie I told, I'm curious.
Do you seriously think that Black or even Kain where the one's making it all possible? Really? Tells me how little you know.
Do you know how many isk a week FA got for not holding any districts? Or indeed, how many isk we in TRE got for the same?
Most of DNS couldn't give a rats arse about Black, its merely a name, and a dude most of us either laughed at or couldn't care less about....
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5376
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:19:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer
An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based. A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock. So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough. I also posted in the same post.....that "common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that". Everything else is an assault/slayer role. Frames hardly spell out anything by themselves. What a fitting is capable of is about the combination of weapons as well as dropsuit. A shotgun assault isn't capable of offensive area-denial, but they're great at defensive area-denial (given the right area), and mediocre shock. A shotgun scout, meanwhile, can pull off the shock role quite well, while doing mediocre defensive area-denial. I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make....it almost sounds like you're making my point for me.
My point is that "slayer" isn't a role, neither is "assault/slayer" or "heavy/slayer" because it's too nonspecific.
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Egonz4
371
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:26:00 -
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Yes cuz that could mean that he kills a lot while dies a lot and just does what is fun....ya know cuz dust is just a game!.....a high kdr usually means redline sniper, Tank stomper, or proto stomper...aka tryhards that need a life
Master of The Flaylock
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3148
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:53:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:
What a fitting is capable of is about the combination of weapons as well as dropsuit.
A shotgun assault isn't capable of offensive area-denial, but they're great at defensive area-denial (given the right area), and mediocre shock. A shotgun scout, meanwhile, can pull off the shock role quite well, while doing mediocre defensive area-denial.
I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make....it almost sounds like you're making my point for me. My point is that "slayer" isn't a role, neither is "assault/slayer" or "heavy/slayer" because it's too nonspecific.
slayer isn't a role?? We'll just call it assault then..unless you have another name for it.
I've gotten used to calling that particular role, "slayer" because assault may be confusing since guys started using different suits to fulfill that role.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3148
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:56:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Yes cuz that could mean that he kills a lot while dies a lot and just does what is fun....ya know cuz dust is just a game!.....a high kdr usually means redline sniper, Tank stomper, or proto stomper...aka tryhards that need a life
You seem like the guy on the outside of a conversation and just says anything just to get in. Don't worry though...happens to most...I've been there :)
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
238
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:58:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates)
Or, crash dropships and LAVs for fun when a match is crap.
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
The East India Co.
4340
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:00:00 -
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KDR does not mean sh*t there is a certain acceptability level, but a person with a 4 KDR and 8 KDR will not have that high of difference in performance in PC, coming from someone who has done hundreds of PC matches. LOL i've seen proto stompers with 7+ KDR's go negative every other match, KDR does not transfer to PC. KDR is such a easy stat to manipulate also.
Viktor for CPM
I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP)
Chat Channel: Vik PC
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
238
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:02:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve. Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal. In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it. Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them? Having a higher KDR means that you are killing more than you are dying.....it is safe to assume that you may be alive long enough to reach the objective. If you can't stay alive, it is much harder to cap and hold objectives, correct?
Or, you are not fulfilling a killing role. Like it matters in this game though right? Kill, kill, kill. Win, win, win.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
4023
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:09:00 -
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Area Cleanse and Denial.
All Roles/Classes.
Positive KDR, despite my love of running headlong into a gunfight.
I don't need my gameplay approved by anyone else.
With me or against me, it will be a fight and I will do what is necessary to secure the Victory.
TL,DR: Come find out about it, bruh.
(Did I do it right? Ha Ha, almost made you think I give a ****.)
PSN: The_Rynoceros
Destiny beta SoonGäó
Console Master Race
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3148
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:50:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:KDR does not mean sh*t there is a certain acceptability level, but a person with a 4 KDR and 8 KDR will not have that high of difference in performance in PC, coming from someone who has done hundreds of PC matches. LOL i've seen proto stompers with 7+ KDR's go negative every other match, KDR does not transfer to PC. KDR is such a easy stat to manipulate also.
You may be right when you talk about the difference between a 4 and an 8 KDR. But there is a difference between a 3 or 4 KDR and a 1 KDR player.
KD doesn't always translate to pcs because KD doesn' t matter in a pc match plus the competitive level is different in a pc match than a pub. But when recruiting or using ringers that you don't know....higher KD implies a certain level of competence.
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Egonz4
375
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Posted - 2014.06.23 04:15:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Yes cuz that could mean that he kills a lot while dies a lot and just does what is fun....ya know cuz dust is just a game!.....a high kdr usually means redline sniper, Tank stomper, or proto stomper...aka tryhards that need a life You seem like the guy on the outside of a conversation and just says anything just to get in. Don't worry though...happens to most...I've been there :)
No I usually try to stay off the forums cuz its full of whiners, try hards and people who think kdr matters
Master of The Flaylock
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