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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:56:00 -
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I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters.
what job is that?
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer....
slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:17:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates)
wp/death matters most for logis. That's a stat that is good for a logis. But for slayers/assaults the KDR stat means something.
People have to realize that KDR does mean something. It's not the end all be all but it does mean something. It's like when you're searching for a job.....your resume is what a recruiter sees first. An impressive resume may grant you an interview over a not so impressive one. Your KDR is like your resume.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve. Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal. In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it. Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them?
Having a higher KDR means that you are killing more than you are dying.....it is safe to assume that you may be alive long enough to reach the objective. If you can't stay alive, it is much harder to cap and hold objectives, correct?
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it.
I truly did laugh at loud +1 lol
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:28:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:Give it up Dubbs, you're talking to the plebs....
Picking brains ...dropping logic bombs :D
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:30:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Min Scout w/ Hack V I slay in the City and make sure we flip objectives quickly. ^Am I doing it right?
That is actually pretty good. It is informative and lets one know whether they can or need to use you. Anyone talking about slaying should drop in their KDR as well.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:30:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
Didnt know you set those rules. My advice to anyone not a dumb a s s porch monkey is do what you want. This guy cant tell people what to say or the format to say it. I truly did laugh at loud +1 lol Because I could tell you are a moon cricket even though we have never talked?
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:31:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates) Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too......
lol....is this your main acct? The one in which you killed an entire squad of RND?
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:47:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed.....
lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol.
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:49:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Don't look at KDR, WP/death (takes a little work to calculate), is what someone should look at, if they believe in any stats.
However, recorded stats are unreliable.
Players who primarily go solo (yours truly) will almost always have worse stats than people who run squads all the time.
Other players use some under-powered weapons for sport, or in preparation for them getting over-buffed (also yours truly).
Other players also put winning over WP, by doing necessary but low-wp roles (not me, **** my teammates) Agreed, I run solo, no corp, no squad, and dont proto in pubs, so do I occasionly get gunned down when say RND is protostomping pubs? Yes, but then one day I killed their whole squad too...... lol....is this your main acct? The one in which you killed an entire squad of RND? Nope but my main is banned. But you were one of em, Alpha CRU on Line Harvest, killed you ,Anno, Sticky, Roeg, and one more with a RR from the ledge beneath the tower, any other questions turd?
What is your main acct? I can sit here and type how I held all 5 objectives by myself against 2 squads all day as well.
Saying our names just means that you're a big fan :)
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:53:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that
As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume.
I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR?
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:56:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
And I can tell you're an idiot, under 18, and a virgin geek......I laughed at you, wasn't laughing with you
Grown a s s man here scrub.... My ancestors werent virgins though right? Been f u c king your kind for 500 years, no permission needed..... lmao...your ancestors not being virgins has nothing to do with you being a geek lol. If im a geek then youre a slave. That work for you? Im so much of a geek id f u c k your kids boy.
lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume. I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR? If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes.
I'm not talking about logis
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:
If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes.
I'm not talking about logis KDR applies to logis as well as anyone else. Do I care what you want if I am the one hiring?
you say, "if that 5.0 lets his heavy die". As an assault/slayer, you're not supposed to babysit heavies and make sure you die before they do. You're supposed to kill......so for that role, a 0.5 KD player shouldn't even speak.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69 Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district.
You imply that anyone with a decent KDR do not go as hard for the win.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:15:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
lol, you're an absolute idiot. I was going to toy around with you but there is no point. You're trying to get under my skin as if I could be moved by racist remarks lol. Crazy thing is I'm not even black. I'm half chinese, half norwegian
I didn't know that Dubbs, do you speak Norwegian too? I'm 100% Norwegian.... (But I do know Kung-Fu so....)
Nah, I'm not norwegian ;)
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:16:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer.... slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based. A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock. So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough.
I also posted in the same post.....that "common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that". Everything else is an assault/slayer role.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:43:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Also, you obviously have your roles wrong because there's no such thing as a slayer. That's far too general a term.
"Slayers kill people"- so you could be a shocktroop, a defensive area-denier, offensive area-denier, vehicle-based offensive area denier, AVer.... slayers kill people.....which is why you should specify your role over your suit. I mean, common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that. But if you're a scout that kills, a logi that kills, an assault that kills then you should classify yourself as an assault/slayer An "assault slayer" could be literally anything listed, aside from vehicle-based. A "sentinel slayer" could also be anything aside from shock. So "slayer" definitely isn't specific enough. I also posted in the same post.....that "common sense dictates that if you're a heavy or an ADS or a tanker, you should specify that". Everything else is an assault/slayer role. Frames hardly spell out anything by themselves. What a fitting is capable of is about the combination of weapons as well as dropsuit. A shotgun assault isn't capable of offensive area-denial, but they're great at defensive area-denial (given the right area), and mediocre shock. A shotgun scout, meanwhile, can pull off the shock role quite well, while doing mediocre defensive area-denial.
I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make....it almost sounds like you're making my point for me.
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:53:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:
What a fitting is capable of is about the combination of weapons as well as dropsuit.
A shotgun assault isn't capable of offensive area-denial, but they're great at defensive area-denial (given the right area), and mediocre shock. A shotgun scout, meanwhile, can pull off the shock role quite well, while doing mediocre defensive area-denial.
I'm not sure of the point that you're trying to make....it almost sounds like you're making my point for me. My point is that "slayer" isn't a role, neither is "assault/slayer" or "heavy/slayer" because it's too nonspecific.
slayer isn't a role?? We'll just call it assault then..unless you have another name for it.
I've gotten used to calling that particular role, "slayer" because assault may be confusing since guys started using different suits to fulfill that role.
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:56:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Yes cuz that could mean that he kills a lot while dies a lot and just does what is fun....ya know cuz dust is just a game!.....a high kdr usually means redline sniper, Tank stomper, or proto stomper...aka tryhards that need a life
You seem like the guy on the outside of a conversation and just says anything just to get in. Don't worry though...happens to most...I've been there :)
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:50:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:KDR does not mean sh*t there is a certain acceptability level, but a person with a 4 KDR and 8 KDR will not have that high of difference in performance in PC, coming from someone who has done hundreds of PC matches. LOL i've seen proto stompers with 7+ KDR's go negative every other match, KDR does not transfer to PC. KDR is such a easy stat to manipulate also.
You may be right when you talk about the difference between a 4 and an 8 KDR. But there is a difference between a 3 or 4 KDR and a 1 KDR player.
KD doesn't always translate to pcs because KD doesn' t matter in a pc match plus the competitive level is different in a pc match than a pub. But when recruiting or using ringers that you don't know....higher KD implies a certain level of competence.
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