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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:59:00 -
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KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:22:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that?
Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve.
Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal.
In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it.
Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them?
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:40:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:KDR means jack all.
Can you get your job done? That's all the matters. what job is that? Whatever job you ask the contracted mercenary to achieve. Frankly if I was every to hire out players for a some reason it would be to achieve a specific goal. I would establish that before the contract, and interview potential applicants to determine which could best achieve the goal. In that sense having high KDR means nothing if you can't get to the objective and fulfil your role. If you don't achieve the goal you don't get paid for it. Additionally under most circumstance if I don't know that's players abilities how do I know how to best use them? Having a higher KDR means that you are killing more than you are dying.....it is safe to assume that you may be alive long enough to reach the objective. If you can't stay alive, it is much harder to cap and hold objectives, correct?
Yes and no.
All a high KDR tells me is that you have a great deal of kills for few deaths. For all I know you are just as bad as Duna running against pubbies padding that KDR for your own vanity.
That vanity means nothing to me.
I expect a Player I hire to die as many times as required to achieve their goal. Survival rates are inconsequential before results (ala Imperial Guard Mob and Charge).
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:51:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:
Well, untill you get cloned that is....
I like this part of Dust, throwing bodies at an objective is far from enough and hardly a viable tactic in the long run....
Fair call but how does KDR make you any more suited for a role I chose to give you? I don't care whether you mercenaries go positive, as long as you can do the job. Too many variables contribute to KDR for it to be a valuable statistic.
For example I've squadded with PC players, with high KDR, in FW contracts and they have been disrespectful and arrogant, they were kicked for not following squad orders, and generally destabilising the squad and sync as a whole, and we'd still win without them.
I can't say anyone in our squads had much higher than a 2.75 and it never mattered.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:56:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume. I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR?
If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:58:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69
Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:59:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I've always wondered why when recruiting or hiring ringers, that guys talk about how much sp they have and what sort of suit that they use. Personally, all that matters to me, initially, is what is your KDR and what role do you play.
And when I say role, I don't mean what what suit do you have...For instance, if you're a slayer but you use a logi suit then you're an assault/slayer. You are not a logi just because you are using a logi suit. If you say that your role is logi, then I expect you to be support.
It can be frustrating when guys run down all of the unnecessary information when trying to shop themselves. And then you still have to follow with a message asking them questions that will determine what role they play and are they competent enough in it.
"I have 30m sp, proto AR, proto SCR, proto MD, CR, RR, $100M ISK...". If you're shopping yourself, state your role and KDR. Once you've gotten past that preliminary screening, then you go over what suit and weapon that you have if the FC or recruiter asks that of you.
KDR means nothing....only pros know that As far as a battle goes.....only the win matters. KDR is mostly a resume. I'd like to ask though...if KDR means nothing, would you believe a guy's claim (with a 0.5 KDR) to be better than a player with a 5 KDR? If that 5.0 lets his heavy die every time to get a kill, and the 0.5 dies every time so his heavy can live then yes. I'm not talking about logis
KDR applies to logis as well as anyone else.
Do I care what you want if I am the one hiring?
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:11:00 -
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The Rainbow Affect wrote:True Adamance wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:I hope kdr isn't a deal breaker as it can be very misleading. For instance in chrom I was learning to fly dropships and only had money to buy dropships so I would use starter fit logi to pay the bills. Needless to say I died a lot, even though I can go whole games without being killed now or only getting killed a few times my kdr is only 2.69 Mine is 2.53 and I will have 40+ kill games, or matches where I only get 5 kills but every one of those was an HAV..... other times I'll walk into Nyain San Pub stomps, or end up throwing away 10+ suits to ensure in FW we win the crucial district. LOL - he said "cruacial"
Since you aren't invested in FW Dust and EVE side you do not see or even have an idea of how Dust can and does affect FW as a whole.
Since I've seen systems go into Vulnerable and drop out of vulnerable because Dust players took back system districts making it easier to deplex the system.
I've seen the differences how easy it is to defend and attack systems where we own the ground zones. In fact was a part of the Reclaiming Fleet that went through and captured 8 systems on the very same day Amarr took domination of the warzone.
That is important than owning land, but no space in some backwater like Molden Heath. Dust players never owned Molden Heath, the corps that inhabited the space always did.
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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