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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:41:00 -
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How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol.
Amarr are the good guys.
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1460
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:23:00 -
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I know the feels >.<
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:28:00 -
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It has to be server side because they've pulled anyone who might actually do something client side to work on legion. It is literally a case of 'we cannot do client side because there is no one *to generate said content*'.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:42:00 -
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Indeed, however Legion hasn't even been greenlit yet, why not take the time to complete Dust as a game, knowing Rattati will handle hotfixes well, before shifting total focus to Legion?
Meanwhile Dusters have accepted they are beta testers and are actively looking to improve balance for Legion.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:44:00 -
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It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Indeed, however Legion hasn't even been greenlit yet, why not take the time to complete Dust as a game, knowing Rattati will handle hotfixes well, before shifting total focus to Legion?
Meanwhile Dusters have accepted they are beta testers and are actively looking to improve balance for Legion. I'm pretty sure all content creators are working full time on Legion regardless of greenlight status. They're certainly not sitting around with nothing to do all the while getting paid.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Taylor Badasz
Proficiency V.
98
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:46:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So your basically saying we might get a client update soon.
Lazer focused...
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
15518
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:49:00 -
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Taylor Badasz wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So your basically saying we might get a client update soon.
I wouldn't put soon on it.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:50:00 -
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Taylor Badasz wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So your basically saying we might get a client update soon.
No he's not
A moment of silence is not enough. For their crimes, we must make the Caldari silence permanent.
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Taylor Badasz
Proficiency V.
98
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:50:00 -
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SoonGäó then...
Lazer focused...
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:54:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
Amarr are the good guys.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3619
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:55:00 -
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SOONGäó-«-¬
The struggle is real
Confirmed by my toilet
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
15518
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
Essentially Yes.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:57:00 -
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EVEning all, welcome to kicking dust forums.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:57:00 -
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How much support do we need to make this a higher hanging fruit? I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind redownloading the client if we got the remaining vehicles and heavy weapons.
Amarr are the good guys.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:58:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
I know one single voice means so little in the sea of players that make up this community, but I would LOVE to see the Amarr and Minmatar content in Dust.
I mean for the longest time the Gallente and Caldari have had their content rolled out without issue or hesitance, while the rest have been left waiting for almost a year now hoping we might be able to finish that racial line up.
If that could be achieved I think the amazing work you and your team is doing would have much greater value as you push to balance everything in context to everything else, in the end saving you guys more time hotfixing.
Even place holders would be welcomed warmly.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati, can you explain in a little further detail what the "many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download" are? Because if you were to poll the player base and ask them what their priority wishlist is, I have a hunch this would come before any further module/weapon/suit tweaking. Make a poll, tell everyone about it on the Dust 514 start up screen, and see the results.
Amarr are the good guys.
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Lynn Beck
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:45:00 -
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Hell, even a repainted(use the Ai-102 skins) Madrugar with 800 shield and 6000 armor with 1/4 layout would be better.
Minmatar obviously getting some rust brown, with 2300/1800 Hp's, and stealing Gunny's 3/2 and replacin it with 4/1.
Gallente Hmg can just be a 1200 Rpm Hmg that shoots Ar Bullets, and has appropriate stats, Amarr being a Forge gun with yellow paint and shootin Scr bullets.
General John Ripper
Like ALL the things!!!
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:01:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Hell, even a repainted(use the Ai-102 skins) Madrugar with 800 shield and 6000 armor with 1/4 layout would be better.
Minmatar obviously getting some rust brown, with 2300/1800 Hp's, and stealing Gunny's 3/2 and replacin it with 4/1.
Gallente Hmg can just be a 1200 Rpm Hmg that shoots Ar Bullets, and has appropriate stats, Amarr being a Forge gun with yellow paint and shootin Scr bullets.
I would be ok with this.
Amarr are the good guys.
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Isa Lucifer
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:32:00 -
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Same here.
Amarr Victor
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 02:47:00 -
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It honestly would hurt immensely to see the lack of actual content put into this kind of release but I would have to be okay with it provisioning that I have the capacity to remove my SP in Gallente Tech which has long physically hurt me to use.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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lithkul devant
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So you're telling me there's a chance? Essentially Yes.
Just...don't get our hopes up on this okay, Logibro already killed that and stomped all over it quite well. Yes I would love to see the full set of minmatar and amarr, would love to see the full potential of Dust what it could be, but don't talk about how their could be another patch even remote possibility unless you know of one comming through. It just opens up old wounds when talking about it even in theory.
Also for now, we do need fixing on all the different aspects of the game before it is pushed forward. A lot of the issue was that alot of things were just to wildly slung around and not much effort trying to balance them, we're finally getting that balance now and proper gameplay.
What I want to know, is the future of the dust/legion has the project been greenlit, any news about Legion possibly having a side shoot off to the PS4? These questions to me are much more important than if Dust will ever get a next patch. |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:21:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Honestly, I don't really care how much I have to download. In my opinion it's completely worth it if DUST is improved.
The Amarr scout bonus is like the old Amarr sentinel bonus. No one needed 25% reduction to overheat damage on a heavy;_;
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
Psychotic Alliance
1345
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:14:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So to clarify.
Client side isn't off the table, but its a last resort if its needed?
Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
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dreth longbow
Bank of DUST 514
47
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:28:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Not a good answer, I think that every single person here would gladly let their PS3 download a "recook" and have a better game than you picking low hanging fruit for the next 6 months. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
675
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:05:00 -
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SANDBOX DISTRICTS COMPLETE WITH SECURITY STATUS & PVE FOR DUST 2.0!!!! |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:07:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:SANDBOX DISTRICTS COMPLETE WITH SECURITY STATUS & PVE FOR DUST 2.0!!!!
You know that cannot and will not happen.
Lets take the potential of the Devs finishing Dusts racial line ups seriously.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
675
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:20:00 -
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cant cant do nothin and never will, building a sandbox needs to be something that needs to happen just as much as ur amar hav and large laser turrets, a sandbox can be built and it should be for the sake of the new players, the current round basd battle system does not do the galaxy of new eden justice and is a horrible way to get new players interestid in new eden itself. |
The-Errorist
SVER True Blood
771
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:55:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Hell, even a repainted(use the Ai-102 skins) Madrugar with 800 shield and 6000 armor with 1/4 layout would be better.
Minmatar obviously getting some rust brown, with 2300/1800 Hp's, and stealing Gunny's 3/2 and replacin it with 4/1.
Gallente Hmg can just be a 1200 Rpm Hmg that shoots Ar Bullets, and has appropriate stats, Amarr being a Forge gun with yellow paint and shootin Scr bullets.
You have the racial slot layouts wrong just like the assault's slot layouts; Caldari is supposed to have 4/1, Minmatar 3/2, Gallente 2/3, Amarr 1/4.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2304
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
This should mean that if Legion team creates new weapons or a new map, we can have them in dust?
(of course the map must be reworked for dust)
PSN: ogamega
I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Taylor Badasz wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So your basically saying we might get a client update soon. I wouldn't put soon on it.
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Jimmy McNaulty
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
158
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:57:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Hell, even a repainted(use the Ai-102 skins) Madrugar with 800 shield and 6000 armor with 1/4 layout would be better.
Minmatar obviously getting some rust brown, with 2300/1800 Hp's, and stealing Gunny's 3/2 and replacin it with 4/1.
Gallente Hmg can just be a 1200 Rpm Hmg that shoots Ar Bullets, and has appropriate stats, Amarr being a Forge gun with yellow paint and shootin Scr bullets. I would be ok with this.
Third.
RIP GIF SIG
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KingBabar
MAG was better...
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Yeah, the cost for CCP of doing a clientside update isn't relevant at all....
I'm pretty sure the entire (LOL) Dust playerbase is more than willing to downlad the entire game over and over again if that means they'll get more content.
Rattati, I thought you where special 
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
2867
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:05:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Yeah, the cost for CCP of doing a clientside update isn't relevant at all.... I'm pretty sure the entire (LOL) Dust playerbase is more than willing to downlad the entire game over and over again if that means they'll get more content. Rattati, I thought you where special
No the cost isn't relevant at all...
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:30:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:KingBabar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Yeah, the cost for CCP of doing a clientside update isn't relevant at all.... I'm pretty sure the entire (LOL) Dust playerbase is more than willing to downlad the entire game over and over again if that means they'll get more content. Rattati, I thought you where special No the cost isn't relevant at all...
Okay so the cost of the client side update is putting you guys off, fine I can accept that, you explained to me what was going on......I suppose that all we want to know if you guys will or won't do something.
So are you confirming that there will be no more updates that will add the additional missing racial content?
If not then say so, I'll just have to wait until Legion and hope that racial parity will be made there and that my SP I have in HAV will not transfer over directly into Gallentean HAV.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10360
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:42:00 -
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I personally want more interesting game modes.
I can deal with not having Minmatar/Amarr vehicles and Gallente/Caldari Heavy Weapons, heck I can deal with DUST if it only had the weapons from Chromosome, even the suits from Chromosome, just give me something interesting to use them in.
Skirmish is boring, Domination is boring, Ambush is boring, Ambush OMS is still tankfest and boring.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:53:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I personally want more interesting game modes.
I can deal with not having Minmatar/Amarr vehicles and Gallente/Caldari Heavy Weapons, heck I can deal with DUST if it only had the weapons from Chromosome, even the suits from Chromosome, just give me something interesting to use them in.
Skirmish is boring, Domination is boring, Ambush is boring, Ambush OMS is still tankfest and boring.
That's a fair call. I can't see myself playing much though without my chosen role, or would be chosen role not present in the game.
Seems that if I want to find my niche EVE is the only way I can do that.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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KingBabar
MAG was better...
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:24:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I personally want more interesting game modes.
I can deal with not having Minmatar/Amarr vehicles and Gallente/Caldari Heavy Weapons, heck I can deal with DUST if it only had the weapons from Chromosome, even the suits from Chromosome, just give me something interesting to use them in.
Skirmish is boring, Domination is boring, Ambush is boring, Ambush OMS is still tankfest and boring.
The cat nailed it.
In the long run, most players can tolerate imbalance, poor game performance etc.
But having very boring game modes, like the current "keep that thing blue or shoot those dudes", which is all you really have, will eventually put players off. How many refferences have I seen on these forums with people looking back with great nostalgia for Skirmish 1.0? - Even With the performance we hhad back then....
Something progressive or by all means up the player Count.
- Rattati, have you guys actually tried simply beefing up the player count in excisting gamemodes? Will game performance crash and burn or will it merely give a little more lag? Could you perhaps check if possible?
I am sure that the entire community would be extatic over a week with Skirmish 32 vs 32, no matter the amount of lag/crashes....
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1076
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:56:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol.
Reading the header line and first lines of the text I was really excited:
This guy's gonna address big issues and wake the community to demand further developement of Dust after all!
Then he was asking for... Just new toys. 
:-S
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1076
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:03:00 -
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dreth longbow wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Not a good answer, I think that every single person here would gladly let their PS3 download a "recook" and have a better game than you picking low hanging fruit for the next 6 months.
It still makes sense to keep fixes rolling, there's been more improvements (for better or for worse) now than in last 9 months.
There's so much stuff to do and so many disturbing small things, it really makes sense to give those improvements to players ASAP.
I'm delighted to hear that client updates are still possible.
I'm happy that I was wrong speculating that they were impossible (due to burnt bridges towards Sony...)
:-S
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1076
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:11:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I personally want more interesting game modes.
I can deal with not having Minmatar/Amarr vehicles and Gallente/Caldari Heavy Weapons, heck I can deal with DUST if it only had the weapons from Chromosome, even the suits from Chromosome, just give me something interesting to use them in.
Skirmish is boring, Domination is boring, Ambush is boring, Ambush OMS is still tankfest and boring. The cat nailed it. In the long run, most players can tolerate imbalance, poor game performance etc. But having very boring game modes, like the current "keep that thing blue or shoot those dudes", which is all you really have, will eventually put players off. How many refferences have I seen on these forums with people looking back with great nostalgia for Skirmish 1.0? - Even With the performance we hhad back then.... Something progressive or by all means up the player Count. - Rattati, have you guys actually tried simply beefing up the player count in excisting gamemodes? Will game performance crash and burn or will it merely give a little more lag? Could you perhaps check if possible? I am sure that the entire community would be extatic over a week with Skirmish 32 vs 32, no matter the amount of lag/crashes.... I'd definately og and download it again dude to either a New mode or upped player Counts....
Agreeing that game modes are one of the BIGGEST contributing factors to player content and experience. And they have been still so long that they are inadequate.
KingB, while I consider increasing player count to be huge improvement, with all due respect I disagree upping it at any cost.
I in fact have been voicing the approach "If the game can't handle current (pc) player count then decrease it until it works"
:-S
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
693
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i only want a basic trade window. and to finish off the racial stuff.
if only the trade window was confirmed as item that is coming to dust my recent apathy would vanish. if we dont get one soon i belive the server is going to explode due to my inventory being filled with crap i will never use.
hell if you say boba just for you im going to look into it ill buy some boosters when i get paid tonight. ofc its not going to happen.
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
694
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:SANDBOX DISTRICTS COMPLETE WITH SECURITY STATUS & PVE FOR DUST 2.0!!!!
AKA legion.
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KingBabar
MAG was better...
2623
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:27:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:KingBabar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I personally want more interesting game modes.
I can deal with not having Minmatar/Amarr vehicles and Gallente/Caldari Heavy Weapons, heck I can deal with DUST if it only had the weapons from Chromosome, even the suits from Chromosome, just give me something interesting to use them in.
Skirmish is boring, Domination is boring, Ambush is boring, Ambush OMS is still tankfest and boring. The cat nailed it. In the long run, most players can tolerate imbalance, poor game performance etc. But having very boring game modes, like the current "keep that thing blue or shoot those dudes", which is all you really have, will eventually put players off. How many refferences have I seen on these forums with people looking back with great nostalgia for Skirmish 1.0? - Even With the performance we hhad back then.... Something progressive or by all means up the player Count. - Rattati, have you guys actually tried simply beefing up the player count in excisting gamemodes? Will game performance crash and burn or will it merely give a little more lag? Could you perhaps check if possible? I am sure that the entire community would be extatic over a week with Skirmish 32 vs 32, no matter the amount of lag/crashes.... I'd definately og and download it again dude to either a New mode or upped player Counts.... Agreeing that game modes are one of the BIGGEST contributing factors to player content and experience. And they have been still so long that they are inadequate. KingB, while I consider increasing player count to be huge improvement, with all due respect I disagree upping it at any cost. I in fact have been voicing the approach "If the game can't handle current (pc) player count then decrease it until it works"
The "at any cost part" was meant to as a "lets try it a week", not a permanent thing, if it breaks the game then it's indeed pointless...
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Criteria Shipment
The Hundred Acre Hood
Dark Taboo
939
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:08:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Cancel Legion if you think this is an issue. We are your priority. Just finish our game and we'll let you finish yours. |
Taylor Badasz
Proficiency V.
139
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Criteria Shipment wrote:Cancel Legion if you think this is an issue. We are your priority. Just finish our game and we'll let you finish yours.
If that happens i'll record myself singing "Im a barbie Girl"
Lazer focused...
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3137
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:15:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol.
How come noone understands when a game is dead
Removed all hope with this post
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3369
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:17:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
"What was all that one a million talk?"
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
1981
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:22:00 -
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Taylor Badasz wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So your basically saying we might get a client update soon.
Given their history.. If they do push something out it will be August/September.. maybe test out vehicle or racial concepts.
Thing I hope get's retouched if they do get around to client side updates: is PC. And just take the gloves off and make it easy to participate and accessible to all. Give DUST an end game and place where creating an active corporation around isn't just the same old guard. |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8481
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol. Reading the header line and first lines of the text I was really excited: This guy's gonna address big issues and wake the community to demand further developement of Dust after all! Then he was asking for... Just new toys.
What you call "new toys" I call "completing the game." This is fundamentally core content that is absent from the current game.
Amarr are the good guys.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8483
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:02:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Thing I hope get's retouched if they do get around to client side updates: is PC. And just take the gloves off and make it easy to participate and accessible to all. Give DUST an end game and place where creating an active corporation around isn't just the same old guard.
Doesn't have to be (just) PC. They could make improvements to FW as well, starting with team deploy and increased LP payouts, then allowing the players to have influence in which districts get attacked and providing LP bonus modifiers based on percentage controlled in that system/constellation/region or something like that, then allowing basic player trade windows to make certain faction gear have value, instate the idea of joining a militia (CCP originally ruled this out because they didn't want friends not allowed to play with each other, which is foolish because friends would pick the same militia and if not they can play together in pubs and PC), and maybe if we're lucky a bit of multi-staging to the conquering process.
Amarr are the good guys.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1078
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:58:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol. Reading the header line and first lines of the text I was really excited: This guy's gonna address big issues and wake the community to demand further developement of Dust after all! Then he was asking for... Just new toys. What you call "new toys" I call "completing the game." This is fundamentally core content that is absent from the current game.
No it's not. There were so many things on the drawing board and once one item was produced then the audiences hunger for more cried for next thing.
Race on the description is just a word. So what if some 'race' doesn't have item x. This is not D&D, in dust you actually can use other races - or corporations for that matter - items.
Masses always want new toys. Always. If masses had their way the gameplay itself wouldn't be improved, just new fancy toys would had to be mass produced.
:-S
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10855
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:03:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol. Reading the header line and first lines of the text I was really excited: This guy's gonna address big issues and wake the community to demand further developement of Dust after all! Then he was asking for... Just new toys. What you call "new toys" I call "completing the game." This is fundamentally core content that is absent from the current game. No it's not. There were so many things on the drawing board and once one item was produced then the audiences hunger for more cried for next thing. Race on the description is just a word. So what if some 'race' doesn't have item x. This is not D&D, in dust you actually can use other races - or corporations for that matter - items. Masses always want new toys. Always. If masses had their way the gameplay itself wouldn't be improved, just new fancy toys would had to be mass produced.
Thats your opion.
However we have maps a plenty, PC, FW, and 2 kinds of public game modes all of which pass in terms of function.
However we have 4 racial groupings of equipment, weapons, and dropsuits that's are unfinished and incomplete. As a huge fan of both Dust and EVE, not to mention a buff of New Eden lore, I find the lack of full racial line ups very disappointing.
If CCP was going to only introduce the Gallente and Caldari components of the game then Dust 514 should have been EVE: Caldari-Gallente War.
Simply because we CAN use something, does not mean we HAVE to. PIE Inc has been a staple community of EVE for 1o years now and they have only ever used Amarr Hulls, they COULD have used anything else, and instead chose not to. It might not be D&D but that is not excuse to disregard Aero's point.
If you seek to address the higher problems why don't you start your own thread and leave the rest of us to see if we can convince CCP to consider bringing racial parity into the game.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8491
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:14:00 -
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Having the full compliment of racial setting designed with different tanking types (whether that is shield, armor, speed, regen) and weapon/turrets with different damage types (laser, projectile, plasma, rail) are absolutely core content necessary for completing the game, not "new toys." New toys would be wanting fighter jets or MTACs or something like that, what is suggested in this thread is the full line up of racial content that would have attributes needed to achieve balance and thus complete the game.
Let's imagine for a second if the Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle were never introduced to the game in Uprising 1.7. So our only frontline rifles would be the Plasma Assault Rifle and the Scrambler Rifle, both with damage profiles oriented towards taking out shield users. That would give armor tankers even more of an edge and really screw up the balance. But would you accuse anyone back then for wanting Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles to simply be whining for new toys? This is exactly the same reason why we are asking for the remaining line up of racial heavy weapons, vehicles, and consequently turrets. It is NOT new toys, it is core content needed to achieve proper balance.
Amarr are the good guys.
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
422
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:08:00 -
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evesavi wrote:Race is not just a tag on an item, it implietertain set of attributepeng the full compliment of racial vehicles designed with different tanking types (whether that is shield, armor, speed, regen) and weapons/turrets with different damage types (laser, projectile, plasma, rail) are absolutely core content necessary for completing the game, not "new toys." New toys would be wanting fighter jets or MTACs or something like that, what is suggested in this thread is the full line up of racial content that would have attributes needed to achieve balance and thus complete the game.
Let's imagine for a second if the Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle were never introduced to the game in Uprising 1.7. So our only frontline rifles would be the Plasma Assault Rifle and the Scrambler Rifle, both with damage profiles oriented towards taking out shield users. That would give armor tankers even more of an edge and really screw up the balance. But would you accuse anyone back then for wanting Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles to simply be whining for new toys? This is exactly the same reason why we are asking for the remaining line up of racial heavy weapons, vehicles, and consequently turrets. It is NOT new toys, it is core content needed to achieve proper balance.
Aero is on point here
But with the new blaster and rail tank nerfs (Nerfing reppers instead of putting a stacking penalty on them to prevent over repping, making blasters have so much dispersion and a dissapearing reticule, its more spray and pray or a burst turret than anything. Nerfing damage mods AND putting a stacking penalty on them to the point I cannot even justify using a single one, even complex anymore on any tank I use, and nerfing the rails so awfully all at once ide rather walk around and use a plasma cannon as anti tank than an actual 500k ISK proto rail tank. I mean damn, I can't even 1 shot a heavy with a rail anymore, and yet I'm acutely aware that a forge gun, yes a handheld weapon can, out damage ground troops compared to a RAIL CANNON) coming out with other racial tanks is a mute point.
Unless a new racial turret is released my tanker alt that I have been using for two weeks now and I have used an been very successful in PC against high tier corps such as GAM/ Cap AQ/ STB, will now become useless and unused from here forth on.
I have 11 million SP into tanks and about 5-9 Mil of this into Rail turrets/tanks
I also have 32 mil ISK invested into skill books/Turrets/Gunloggis
With Hotfix Bravo, I honestly never want to use a rail ever again
I was killed more by LAVs in the last two days than I've killed enemy tanks
Before Bravo, my last PC I had 15 enemy tanks KIA and only lost 2 rails
This much change is unnaceptable at once and I will be sending a ticket to get my ISK and SP refunded
I hope other tankers do the same
Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
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Lynn Beck
NoGameNoLife
1869
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Posted - 2014.06.20 06:22:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Hell, even a repainted(use the Ai-102 skins) Madrugar with 800 shield and 6000 armor with 1/4 layout would be better.
Minmatar obviously getting some rust brown, with 2300/1800 Hp's, and stealing Gunny's 3/2 and replacin it with 4/1.
Gallente Hmg can just be a 1200 Rpm Hmg that shoots Ar Bullets, and has appropriate stats, Amarr being a Forge gun with yellow paint and shootin Scr bullets. You have the racial slot layouts wrong just like the assault's slot layouts; Caldari is supposed to have 4/1, Minmatar 3/2, Gallente 2/3, Amarr 1/4.
...that's what i said...
Albeit, in a wierd confusing way.
Though the Amarr one was quite clear, i understand how you confused Cal/Min.
I said it as Minmatar 'stealing' the current Caldari setup(3/2) and replacing it with 4/1(for caldari)
General John Ripper
Like ALL the things!!!
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11232
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Posted - 2014.08.03 21:45:00 -
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[/stab]
If I don't, who will?
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Thurak1
Psygod9
877
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:35:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:How much money does CCP need to give Sony to do one more patched update? Because it is absolutely ridiculous that there are no plans to add Amarr/Minmatar vehicles as well as Amarr/Gallente heavy weapons. "With 1.8 we achieved racially parity" lol.
Basically because CCP no longer are working on dust. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
877
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Taylor Badasz wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So your basically saying we might get a client update soon. I wouldn't put soon on it.
Well if you use CCP's version of soon they have from now till within a year for it to be accurate. |
Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
302
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:41:00 -
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Please fix bugs.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2778
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Posted - 2014.08.03 23:24:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:How much support do we need to make this a lower hanging fruit? I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind redownloading the client if we got the remaining vehicles and heavy weapons.
Or the Gallente smg... |
Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2014.08.03 23:27:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Good to hear fyi downloading dust takes a few minutes and bothers noone
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Apocalyptic Destroyer
RestlessSpirits
49
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Posted - 2014.08.03 23:33:00 -
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.-. Your worried of a so called "recook" and "re-download" supposed issue ?
~R1P
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Don't tease me! I go to strip clubs for the tease
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
Oh.. it's no bother.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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Stryker Syx Vector
Vortex State Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:14:00 -
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We'll get them in another two years guys............. |
Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11255
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:30:00 -
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[/stab]
If I don't, who will?
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Spaceman-Rob
Space Dusters
469
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:34:00 -
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New game modes would breath new life into Dust, people are bored to death with what we have now. The game modes are the game and therefore should be the up most of importance in making as fun as possible. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6948
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:35:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:How much support do we need to make this a lower hanging fruit? I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind redownloading the client if we got the remaining vehicles and heavy weapons. Or the Gallente smg...
knowing CCP they'd give a Gallente SMG 7 meters of range and 12 damage pershot with 8 rounds in a magazine.
see you space cowboy...
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
292
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Posted - 2014.08.05 15:52:00 -
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It would be great if the tooltips made sense. That seems like the game is complete when that happens. I'd like to see more heavy weapons and vehicles but more than anything I want to see MAV, Light Aerial, and Heavy Aerial. There's a tooltip loading screen that has icons for it, but obviously they aren't in use.
In order of my opinion on things to complete the game content wise:
1. A player market or at least a sell button in assets.
2. All basic vehicle types and full racial parity with vehicles.
3. Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons
4. Weapon type racial parity*
*By this I mean having a 8 total heavy weapons (1 AV and 1 AI per race). 1 racial light weapon for rifles, av, and specialty. We have all rifles and we have all specialty (Gallente shotgun, Caldari sniper, Minmitar Mass driver, and Amarr Laser Rifle) but we are still missing some AV options. Right now we just have the Caldari SL and Gallente PLC. I'd like to see a light weapon av variant for Minmitar and Amarr as well. And lastly i'd like to see the same concept in sidearms with a smg, pistol, and specialty weapon line. We have all pistols (bolt, ion, flaylock, and scrambler) but we still need the Amarr and Gallente smg and specialty weapons. Right now the only specialty weapon is the knova knives that are Caldari in design but minmitar in utility. The nova knives and the swarm launcher both are weird weapons where they look Caldari but Minmitar suits gain bonuses to the weapons.
I'd be thrilled with any of the above options although I won't hold my breath. One thing the community needs to remember is that hotfixes that were needed long ago does not = "laser focused."
Fool me once shame on you, and fool me twice shame on me. Don't everyone get too excited that Rattatai responded, this is still CCP saying maybe... which 98% of the time means never.
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LudiKure ninda
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2014.08.05 15:56:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:KingBabar wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
Yeah, the cost for CCP of doing a clientside update isn't relevant at all.... I'm pretty sure the entire (LOL) Dust playerbase is more than willing to downlad the entire game over and over again if that means they'll get more content. Rattati, I thought you where special No the cost isn't relevant at all...
Then give us Amarr tanks!! 
Chasing FOTM since crome..
SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
169
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
So you're telling me there's a chance? Essentially Yes.
This is the nice way to say don't bet on it, you can hope for it, but don't bet on it
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MassiveNine
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
886
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:11:00 -
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I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released.
Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
292
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:23:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released.
It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right?
It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing. |
OP FOTM
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:24:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is.
We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download.
If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out.
You make it sound like cooking a grenade... Are you a good cook, Rattati? :3
Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14
Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
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MassiveNine
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:55:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:MassiveNine wrote:I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released. It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right? It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing.
While you do have a point, my argument stems much farther back than the last fanfest. This has been something going on since the inception of the game. What's worse is CCP's way of fixing broken content; remove it. It's much easier to just remove something than actually fix it. Webifier effect, prototype HAV, logistic dropships and repair modules for vehicles, the list still goes on.
Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:10:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:MassiveNine wrote:I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released. It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right? It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing. While you do have a point, my argument stems much farther back than the last fanfest. This has been something going on since the inception of the game. What's worse is CCP's way of fixing broken content; remove it. It's much easier to just remove something than actually fix it. Webifier effect, prototype HAV, logistic dropships and repair modules for vehicles, the list still goes on.
I assumed it's because for CCP this genre is uncharted territory. And it would seem that they didn't hire any other game designers that have worked on fps games, at least not good ones. As far as from a game theory perspective the balance pales in comparison to the poor design. It's a lobby shooter with a rising handicap for players who create a character... they don't even have to play the game, they are simply rewarded for seniority. I've never seen this in a lobby shooter before including the Korean fps rpg games and I hope I never see this style again. The customization and isk earn vs. isk lost system were great ideas I think. CCP to me seems to be a company of dreaming but not executing.
I'm pretty sure though what I said still remains. They took out most of that stuff in the beta to rework it. But, they abandoned the game shortly after release, hence it wasn't put back into the game. This just shows how quickly they dropped the game. |
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