DUST Search - So why exactly must everything be server side?

MassiveNine wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

MassiveNine wrote:

I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released.

It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right?

It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing.

While you do have a point, my argument stems much farther back than the last fanfest. This has been something going on since the inception of the game. What's worse is CCP's way of fixing broken content; remove it. It's much easier to just remove something than actually fix it. Webifier effect, prototype HAV, logistic dropships and repair modules for vehicles, the list still goes on.

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Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2778	Posted - 2014.08.03 23:24:00 - [61] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: How much support do we need to make this a lower hanging fruit? I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind redownloading the client if we got the remaining vehicles and heavy weapons. Or the Gallente smg...
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 58	Posted - 2014.08.03 23:27:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. Good to hear fyi downloading dust takes a few minutes and bothers noone no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Apocalyptic Destroyer RestlessSpirits 49	Posted - 2014.08.03 23:33:00 - [63] - Quote .-. Your worried of a so called "recook" and "re-download" supposed issue ? ~R1P
Michael Arck 5092	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:02:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. Don't tease me! I go to strip clubs for the tease Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
mollerz 4658	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:05:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. Oh.. it's no bother. Dingle Dust Berry.
Stryker Syx Vector Vortex State Empire 3	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:14:00 - [66] - Quote We'll get them in another two years guys.............
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11255	Posted - 2014.08.05 13:30:00 - [67] - Quote [/stab] If I don't, who will? -HAND
Spaceman-Rob Space Dusters 469	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:34:00 - [68] - Quote New game modes would breath new life into Dust, people are bored to death with what we have now. The game modes are the game and therefore should be the up most of importance in making as fun as possible.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6948	Posted - 2014.08.05 14:35:00 - [69] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: How much support do we need to make this a lower hanging fruit? I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind redownloading the client if we got the remaining vehicles and heavy weapons. Or the Gallente smg... knowing CCP they'd give a Gallente SMG 7 meters of range and 12 damage pershot with 8 rounds in a magazine. see you space cowboy...
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 292	Posted - 2014.08.05 15:52:00 - [70] - Quote It would be great if the tooltips made sense. That seems like the game is complete when that happens. I'd like to see more heavy weapons and vehicles but more than anything I want to see MAV, Light Aerial, and Heavy Aerial. There's a tooltip loading screen that has icons for it, but obviously they aren't in use. In order of my opinion on things to complete the game content wise: 1. A player market or at least a sell button in assets. 2. All basic vehicle types and full racial parity with vehicles. 3. Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons 4. Weapon type racial parity* *By this I mean having a 8 total heavy weapons (1 AV and 1 AI per race). 1 racial light weapon for rifles, av, and specialty. We have all rifles and we have all specialty (Gallente shotgun, Caldari sniper, Minmitar Mass driver, and Amarr Laser Rifle) but we are still missing some AV options. Right now we just have the Caldari SL and Gallente PLC. I'd like to see a light weapon av variant for Minmitar and Amarr as well. And lastly i'd like to see the same concept in sidearms with a smg, pistol, and specialty weapon line. We have all pistols (bolt, ion, flaylock, and scrambler) but we still need the Amarr and Gallente smg and specialty weapons. Right now the only specialty weapon is the knova knives that are Caldari in design but minmitar in utility. The nova knives and the swarm launcher both are weird weapons where they look Caldari but Minmitar suits gain bonuses to the weapons. I'd be thrilled with any of the above options although I won't hold my breath. One thing the community needs to remember is that hotfixes that were needed long ago does not = "laser focused." Fool me once shame on you, and fool me twice shame on me. Don't everyone get too excited that Rattatai responded, this is still CCP saying maybe... which 98% of the time means never.

LudiKure ninda Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2014.08.05 15:56:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: KingBabar wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. Yeah, the cost for CCP of doing a clientside update isn't relevant at all.... I'm pretty sure the entire (LOL) Dust playerbase is more than willing to downlad the entire game over and over again if that means they'll get more content. Rattati, I thought you where special No the cost isn't relevant at all... Then give us Amarr tanks!! Chasing FOTM since crome.. `SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED`
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 169	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:02:00 - [72] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. So you're telling me there's a chance? Essentially Yes. This is the nice way to say don't bet on it, you can hope for it, but don't bet on it
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 886	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:11:00 - [73] - Quote I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 292	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:23:00 - [74] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released. It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right? It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 283	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:24:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: It is also a factor of low hanging fruits versus the "recook" issue. Basically, some content like textures requires a recook of assets, which leads to everyone needing to download the whole client again, sometimes partially but sometimes the whole X GB the client is. We can do it, but there are many things I would like to tweak/fix before we bother the playerbase with a full client re-download. If the content gets created, by either the DUST 514 or Legion team, we can push it out. You make it sound like cooking a grenade... Are you a good cook, Rattati? :3 Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 886	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:55:00 - [76] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: MassiveNine wrote: I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released. It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right? It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing. While you do have a point, my argument stems much farther back than the last fanfest. This has been something going on since the inception of the game. What's worse is CCP's way of fixing broken content; remove it. It's much easier to just remove something than actually fix it. Webifier effect, prototype HAV, logistic dropships and repair modules for vehicles, the list still goes on. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 294	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:10:00 - [77] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: MassiveNine wrote: I don't understand why they're tweaking weapons still when they don't have all of the weapons to tweak yet. Time and time again CCP does nothing but make more work for themselves by trying to balance weapons then release new weapons, having to balance everything all over again. They are constantly working against themselves. Seriously complete racial parity should have been the FIRST thing released. It's pretty easy to understand. They ran a skeleton crew after they shoved the game out of beta last year. The reason this game was never completed was they lied to the playerbase after uprising that it was a work in progress. That's why hotfixes have been the major focus with very little content pushed out. 1.8 and a couple weapons was 1 year of development. Which spoiler, it wasn't. At least not if they were actively working on this game. That's why people were upset at fanfest. When they showed everyone Legion they showed their hand. Hey guys, remember how we told you we would be developing Dust? This is what we were actually working on... Legion! Pretty cool right? It wasn't that CCP didn't finish this game that's their perrogative. It was the fact that they lied about it for a year which is where smart consumers stop giving money to a company that would do that. If EA can survive though, I'm sure CCP will be fine. Smart consumers isn't really a thing. While you do have a point, my argument stems much farther back than the last fanfest. This has been something going on since the inception of the game. What's worse is CCP's way of fixing broken content; remove it. It's much easier to just remove something than actually fix it. Webifier effect, prototype HAV, logistic dropships and repair modules for vehicles, the list still goes on. I assumed it's because for CCP this genre is uncharted territory. And it would seem that they didn't hire any other game designers that have worked on fps games, at least not good ones. As far as from a game theory perspective the balance pales in comparison to the poor design. It's a lobby shooter with a rising handicap for players who create a character... they don't even have to play the game, they are simply rewarded for seniority. I've never seen this in a lobby shooter before including the Korean fps rpg games and I hope I never see this style again. The customization and isk earn vs. isk lost system were great ideas I think. CCP to me seems to be a company of dreaming but not executing. I'm pretty sure though what I said still remains. They took out most of that stuff in the beta to rework it. But, they abandoned the game shortly after release, hence it wasn't put back into the game. This just shows how quickly they dropped the game.


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