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Crimson ShieId Psygod9 511	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:33:00 - [1] - Quote Are being nerfed? Really, CCP? Are you really going to make me skill into prototype gear to kill militia tanks? Pound another nail into the coffin, why don't you. Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Cut the damage in half or something like that, or increase the charge up time to five seconds... or better yet, just remove them. It's much easier that way. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4402	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:44:00 - [2] - Quote You seem upset. Good.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1924	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:46:00 - [3] - Quote Yes. Apparently its ok if std HAV and LAV are cheap and not so significantly worse than the proto versions that everyone can use them, but when it comes to REs... Lets just say that its obvious CCP cares more about helping those who don't have the field awareness rather than actually taking a step back and seeing what the real problem is. The REAL Internet King
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 512	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:46:00 - [4] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You seem upset. Good. Mildly annoyed, to be honest. I've got the SP to skill into these things and have been thinking of doing so for awhile, I'd just prefer not to have to use proto gear to kill cheap militia tanks. I was actually hoping to spec into shield regulators (Assuming I could even find the urge to log into Dust again) but it seems even that's out of this nerf happens. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:47:00 - [5] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Man, you are dumb. It takes skill to actually use Nova Knives. They practically have no range, so killing fatsuits with them is perfectly fair game. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 512	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Man, you are dumb. It takes skill to actually use Nova Knives. They practically have no range, so killing fatsuits with them is perfectly fair game. But they totally are OP! I mean, what other sidearm can one shot any suit? Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 539	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:50:00 - [7] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Man, you are dumb. It takes skill to actually use Nova Knives. They practically have no range, so killing fatsuits with them is perfectly fair game. But they totally are OP! I mean, what other sidearm can one shot any suit? Vapor Forseti wrote: They practically have no range pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1925	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Man, you are dumb. It takes skill to actually use Nova Knives. They practically have no range, so killing fatsuits with them is perfectly fair game. But they totally are OP! I mean, what other sidearm can one shot any suit? Vapor Forseti wrote: They practically have no range Either I am misreading things, or someone is missing Crimson's sarcasm. The REAL Internet King
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 512	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:53:00 - [9] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Man, you are dumb. It takes skill to actually use Nova Knives. They practically have no range, so killing fatsuits with them is perfectly fair game. But they totally are OP! I mean, what other sidearm can one shot any suit? Vapor Forseti wrote: They practically have no range Still totally OP. Needs nerf. No sidearm should be able to one shot a suit. It's not fair to the fatties who stack all those plates and extenders to have a single suit kill them. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4404	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:55:00 - [10] - Quote I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1925	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:55:00 - [11] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Still totally OP. Needs nerf. No sidearm should be able to one shot a suit. It's not fair to the fatties who stack all those plates and extenders to have a single suit kill them. Please tell me you ARE being sarcastic... The REAL Internet King
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 539	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:56:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Either I am misreading things, or someone is missing Crimson's sarcasm. Sarcasm never works on the internet. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+
Brotherband REMNANT ENFORCERS 2	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:56:00 - [13] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Oh, let me give you a suggestion, save ya some time. Nerf Nova Knives so they can't one shot heavies. It's totally OP. Man, you are dumb. It takes skill to actually use Nova Knives. They practically have no range, so killing fatsuits with them is perfectly fair game. But they totally are OP! I mean, what other sidearm can one shot any suit? Ummm...RE's.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1925	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:57:00 - [14] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult. We are supposed to be the counter to heavies. That is the point. Besides, a good heavy checks his 6 regularly. You know how hard it is to sneak up behind someone who actually makes an effort to be aware of their surroundings? Damn hard. Especially when they carry weapon that can melt your face in a fraction of a second. The REAL Internet King
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property 5212	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:58:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Still totally OP. Needs nerf. No sidearm should be able to one shot a suit. It's not fair to the fatties who stack all those plates and extenders to have a single suit kill them. Please tell me you ARE being sarcastic... cloak + one shot weapon = usually bad. But in this case I say leave nova's alone. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 514	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:59:00 - [16] - Quote Ah, you ruined it, King! Gosh darn it! D: Points to Sig I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. If they actually did nerf them though, I'd probably never touch this game again. It is the last bit of entertainment to be had. RE's aren't technically a sidearm, and yea, sneaking up on a tank usually surrounded by infantry, or worse, rolling alongside another tank isn't the easiest thing in the world. I suppose though, the tankers now would just prefer getting popped by a militia railgun sica? Or Jihad LAV'd? Yes, much better~ Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1489	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:59:00 - [17] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Yes. Apparently its ok if std HAV and LAV are cheap and not so significantly worse than the proto versions that everyone can use them, but when it comes to REs... Lets just say that its obvious CCP cares more about helping those who don't have the field awareness rather than actually taking a step back and seeing what the real problem is. pretty obvious that CCP shanghai is basing their latest changes around terrible players aka rage kids that suck money from their parents.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4404	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:59:00 - [18] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult. We are supposed to be the counter to heavies. That is the point. Besides, a good heavy checks his 6 regularly. You know how hard it is to sneak up behind someone who actually makes an effort to be aware of their surroundings? Damn hard. Especially when they carry weapon that can melt your face in a fraction of a second. No, you're not supposed to be the counter to heavies. You're supposed to be a scout. A gatherer of information and the first one to an area. Not an elite assassin capable of dispatching any foe. That is delusion brought on by ego. And let's not pretend you know anything about good heavies. Thanks.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1926	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:01:00 - [19] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Still totally OP. Needs nerf. No sidearm should be able to one shot a suit. It's not fair to the fatties who stack all those plates and extenders to have a single suit kill them. Please tell me you ARE being sarcastic... cloak + one shot weapon = usually bad. But in this case I say leave nova's alone. The problem is, that if he has a cal scout buddy in his squad that doesn't wander too far away, I light up on his tacnet like a christmas tree. He gets to have field presence AND an incredibly high ehp suit with face melting weaponry. If I have a heavy in my squad, I don't get any passive increase to my armor. I don't get armor reps if someone else in my squad has them equipped. Minjas are the red headed stepchild of Dust. The REAL Internet King
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1926	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:04:00 - [20] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult. We are supposed to be the counter to heavies. That is the point. Besides, a good heavy checks his 6 regularly. You know how hard it is to sneak up behind someone who actually makes an effort to be aware of their surroundings? Damn hard. Especially when they carry weapon that can melt your face in a fraction of a second. No, you're not supposed to be the counter to heavies. You're supposed to be a scout. A gatherer of information and the first one to an area. Not an elite assassin capable of dispatching any foe. That is delusion brought on by ego. And let's not pretend you know anything about good heavies. Thanks. Its been pretty well established that there is a rock paper scissors (ideally) aspect to Dust. Heavies are the rock, assaults/mediums the scissors, and scouts the paper. If not the scouts, who else would be the heavy counter? The REAL Internet King

Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 542	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:04:00 - [21] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. Damn it. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3459	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:06:00 - [22] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. Damn it. LOL. Good on you for taking it well xD CCP Rattati Best Dev Sorry, Blowout...
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 514	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:11:00 - [23] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. Damn it. Sorry, bro. ^~^ You're gonna have to wait a few more years before having a legit reason to call someone dumb over wanting Nova Knives nerfed... well, actually, I think I have seen one legit thread on nerfing the knives... Can't quite recall though, but I'm sure at least one person has done so and not simply done so in sarcasm. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 543	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:13:00 - [24] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. Damn it. Sorry, bro. ^~^ You're gonna have to wait a few more years before having a legit reason to call someone dumb over wanting Nova Knives nerfed... well, actually, I think I have seen one legit thread on nerfing the knives... Can't quite recall though, but I'm sure at least one person has done so and not simply done so in sarcasm. Like you, I also love the knives. Anyone who honestly thinks NKs should be nerfed automatically go on my list. I am sorry. /huggles pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1926	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:18:00 - [25] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. Damn it. Sorry, bro. ^~^ You're gonna have to wait a few more years before having a legit reason to call someone dumb over wanting Nova Knives nerfed... well, actually, I think I have seen one legit thread on nerfing the knives... Can't quite recall though, but I'm sure at least one person has done so and not simply done so in sarcasm. Like you, I also love the knives. Anyone who honestly thinks NKs should be nerfed automatically go on my list. I am sorry. /huggles I would be careful of any hugs concerning us NK users... You never know what they have in their hands at any given time. The REAL Internet King
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 515	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:22:00 - [26] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: I was indeed being sarcastic. XD I love Nova Knives, and since CCP has been sucking the fun out of this game, the suggestion to remove one of the last things I can enjoy about Dust was made as a joke. Damn it. Sorry, bro. ^~^ You're gonna have to wait a few more years before having a legit reason to call someone dumb over wanting Nova Knives nerfed... well, actually, I think I have seen one legit thread on nerfing the knives... Can't quite recall though, but I'm sure at least one person has done so and not simply done so in sarcasm. Like you, I also love the knives. Anyone who honestly thinks NKs should be nerfed automatically go on my list. I am sorry. /huggles I would be careful of any hugs concerning us NK users... You never know what they have in their hands at any given time. Nah, I only shank the red berries in the back. Fellow Nova Knifers get honor duels. Bro hugs! It's all good though. I kinda expected at least one person to bring that up. Sarcasm and text don't mix well, but I can hope. ^~^ Nova Knives are best sidearm.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 959	Posted - 2014.06.11 17:59:00 - [27] - Quote Tis a trend. CCP is trying to figure out ways of making people use more expensive gear in pubs i.e. downgrade the effectiveness of MLT and STD gear, mods and weapons. Then they can implement the appropriate solution in Legion. Public Relations - tick tick BOOM. PSN: CallOfTheDark
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15445	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:10:00 - [28] - Quote Scroll further to the right. There is a v2 of RE numbers. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dRIiqkQK4S1_NmisVxjvaBgrEtMcX-D8qz0cR4d_fV4/edit#gid=1310924977 CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
ANON Cerberus ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 826	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:14:00 - [29] - Quote The RE nerfs are totally unnecessary. As per usual, this is another indirect nerf to AV.... as if AV didn't already have a tough time. If these changes are to counter RE explosions on infantry.... the problem is the range that they can be 'thrown' nothing else. If a heavy is too unaware or too dumb to check his 6 then that is his own fault. I agree people should not be able to throw RE`s but other than that there is NOTHING wrong with them. CCP I thought these 'hotfixes' were meant to bring more balance to the game? Not make things even more imbalanced.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15445	Posted - 2014.06.11 18:19:00 - [30] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: The RE nerfs are totally unnecessary. As per usual, this is another indirect nerf to AV.... as if AV didn't already have a tough time. If these changes are to counter RE explosions on infantry.... the problem is the range that they can be 'thrown' nothing else. If a heavy is too unaware or too dumb to check his 6 then that is his own fault. I agree people should not be able to throw RE`s but other than that there is NOTHING wrong with them. CCP I thought these 'hotfixes' were meant to bring more balance to the game? Not make things even more imbalanced. EDIT - I honestly do not understand why there is even a need to increase the time from placing an explosive to being able to set it off. Even with the NEW proposed numbers, the proto variants will still take longer than the standard variants ever did. What is the reasoning for this change as I totally do not get that bit at all. 1250 damage on standards is pretty significant enough to get a heavy killed though and with 4 second activation time the oversized grenade deal gets removed and they return more to a trap deal. In version 2 of the numbers you no longer need to get to prototype to get to old damage numbers just adv now. Prototype actually got a damage buff from current. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked



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