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One Eyed King wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult.

We are supposed to be the counter to heavies. That is the point. Besides, a good heavy checks his 6 regularly. You know how hard it is to sneak up behind someone who actually makes an effort to be aware of their surroundings?

Damn hard. Especially when they carry weapon that can melt your face in a fraction of a second.

No, you're not supposed to be the counter to heavies. You're supposed to be a scout. A gatherer of information and the first one to an area. Not an elite assassin capable of dispatching any foe. That is delusion brought on by ego.

And let's not pretend you know anything about good heavies. Thanks.

Its been pretty well established that there is a rock paper scissors (ideally) aspect to Dust.

Heavies are the rock, assaults/mediums the scissors, and scouts the paper.

If not the scouts, who else would be the heavy counter?


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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4402	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:44:00 - [1] - Quote You seem upset. Good.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4404	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:55:00 - [2] - Quote I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4404	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:59:00 - [3] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult. We are supposed to be the counter to heavies. That is the point. Besides, a good heavy checks his 6 regularly. You know how hard it is to sneak up behind someone who actually makes an effort to be aware of their surroundings? Damn hard. Especially when they carry weapon that can melt your face in a fraction of a second. No, you're not supposed to be the counter to heavies. You're supposed to be a scout. A gatherer of information and the first one to an area. Not an elite assassin capable of dispatching any foe. That is delusion brought on by ego. And let's not pretend you know anything about good heavies. Thanks.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4406	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I guess I missed the part where closing the distance on someone with no radar capability is somehow difficult. We are supposed to be the counter to heavies. That is the point. Besides, a good heavy checks his 6 regularly. You know how hard it is to sneak up behind someone who actually makes an effort to be aware of their surroundings? Damn hard. Especially when they carry weapon that can melt your face in a fraction of a second. No, you're not supposed to be the counter to heavies. You're supposed to be a scout. A gatherer of information and the first one to an area. Not an elite assassin capable of dispatching any foe. That is delusion brought on by ego. And let's not pretend you know anything about good heavies. Thanks. Its been pretty well established that there is a rock paper scissors (ideally) aspect to Dust. Heavies are the rock, assaults/mediums the scissors, and scouts the paper. If not the scouts, who else would be the heavy counter? Another heavy, or multiple mediums/scouts. And that's fair, because medium frames and scouts contribute something other than combat. Heavies only contribute combat, therefore they need to be superior at it. Being locked into a rock paper scissors system does not make them superior at it. Not everything needs a counter of equal strength to make a game balanced. That's simply an easier answer for people to comprehend when they lack perception of how everything interacts on multiple levels.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4413	Posted - 2014.06.12 07:08:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You sound like a tanker. They say the only thing that should take on a tank is another tank or damn near full squad of AV. If you need multiple people to take down a heavy, then its Heavy 514, and everyone will run it. There will be no room for diversity. This game is meant to exist with a plethora of viable options. Just because you haven't the skill to turn around on occasion to check your surroundings doesn't mean the rest of the community needs to be molded to fit your handicap. I'm not turning this into a tank argument because most of you scrubs simply can't handle the idea of their being an enemy on the field you can't deal with easily -- which again, is the problem here. It would not be heavy 514. You are showing you have no understanding of how things interact with each other on more than one level. A heavy contributes combat (ONLY COMBAT) to a situation. A scout being a hard counter to at least 1/3 of the options present in the game, plus being able to give radar intel, plus being able to blitz objectives and transition faster than anyone else... these are massive things and YOU want them to be able to stand as the SUPERIOR combat force against a heavy? You think you deserve to? What a joke. I want you to understand how absolutely ridiculous that is. No, you can't be equal to a heavy in combat. You have multiple paths to victory yes but that doesn't mean it's good design for every suit to be able to solo the game. Even a heavy can't do that, we need other suits to provide us with ammo and places to spawn because again -- we can't offer those services. Combat is our only role, and we're slow as hell about it. We require absolute superiority in it or we are a redundant suit. This is the last time I'm replying to this thread. Conversations with those of limited perception of the game they play are a drain on my sanity.