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Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1517	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:01:00 - [31] - Quote I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. Delt for CPM1 Moss-delt on skype
Shley Ashes Commando Perkone Caldari State 154	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:18:00 - [32] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make For 21 day EveOnline trial https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=0f1324bf-679c-420a-b7ed-c181423c1369&action=buddy
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 440	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:20:00 - [33] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make you made a point about not having a public skype channel, now there is one Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Shley Ashes Commando Perkone Caldari State 154	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:27:00 - [34] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make you made a point about not having a public skype channel, now there is one and still a private one ?...... sooo the point is still why do they need a private channel/s exist ? For 21 day EveOnline trial https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=0f1324bf-679c-420a-b7ed-c181423c1369&action=buddy
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 441	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:40:00 - [35] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make you made a point about not having a public skype channel, now there is one and still a private one ?...... sooo the point is still why do they need a private channel/s exist ? so...the CPM1 candidates can get to know each other? Basically read every reply to you before Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3608	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:45:00 - [36] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make you made a point about not having a public skype channel, now there is one and still a private one ?...... sooo the point is still why do they need a private channel/s exist ? Because they come from all aspect of the game and most of them have no connections to each other outside of the fact they are running for CPM1. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1085	Posted - 2014.06.05 15:47:00 - [37] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make you made a point about not having a public skype channel, now there is one and still a private one ?...... sooo the point is still why do they need a private channel/s exist ? I'm not sure what the issues is at the moment. If you don't like folks having private discussions now you will certainly not like it when those discussions are bound by NDA. Just because they want to chat about things amongst themselves doesn't mean anything nefarious is going on or that you or I have a right to those conversations. Not poking you...i think the discussion has just gotten a bit too "War Room". "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2648	Posted - 2014.06.05 16:35:00 - [38] - Quote Yeah, I mean, I'm really kinda baffled where this conversation is going, to be really honest. I'm very mystified where people assume every conversation between future CPM members should be public, when a large part of the purpose of the CPM is so CCP can talk to players who are bound by the NDA, and can't talk about things with everyone else. That's like... part of the job description. Then, I start to get the impression that some people in this forum post assume everything I say must be in public? I mean, I discuss Planetary Conquest matches with my alliance members in private. Are you guys worried because that's a private conversation with certain DUST players, are you aren't invited to participate? What exactly is your expectation of the CPM? And is it something you feel is reasonable for the job in question? I intend to tell the public everything I possibly can about my CPM term, and keep them informed, but I don't think any CPM candidates are expected to give up their ability to speak privately ever either. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1756	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:59:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Yeah, I mean, I'm really kinda baffled where this conversation is going, to be really honest. I'm very mystified where people assume every conversation between future CPM members should be public, when a large part of the purpose of the CPM is so CCP can talk to players who are bound by the NDA, and can't talk about things with everyone else. That's like... part of the job description. Then, I start to get the impression that some people in this forum post assume everything I say must be in public? I mean, I discuss Planetary Conquest matches with my alliance members in private. Are you guys worried because that's a private conversation with certain DUST players, are you aren't invited to participate? What exactly is your expectation of the CPM? And is it something you feel is reasonable for the job in question? I intend to tell the public everything I possibly can about my CPM term, and keep them informed, but I don't think any CPM candidates are expected to give up their ability to speak privately ever either. Don't stress about it too much. You have every right to speak privately with whoever the **** you want, and no one should make you feel otherwise. This is a completely unnecessary dramafest over a completely innocuous -SOCIAL- channel for the purposes of the candidates to get to know each other in a safe, relaxed setting. It's sad that some tinfoilers have tried to hijack something that's really positive and ruin it with dumb labels like "elitist" and stir up a bunch of silly allegations, and that others are using this as an opportunity for moral grandstanding. When I ran for CSM7 a lot of the other candidates were friendly and supportive and we got to know each other well, but we never had something as upfront as an actual static gathering spot where we could come and talk about our shared experience with other people going through the same situation. I'm actually really, really proud that the CPM1 candidates are able to get along this well, it speaks immensely well of the quality of the candidate pool and their maturity. Its a really good sign that regardless of who gets elected CPM1 will begin their term as a cooperative, professional entity ready to get to work. So please, lets all cut the horseshit about "elitism" and "above the players" and "clics" and other ridiculous nonsense. Nothing could be further from the truth, and in fact that a social channel even exists is a demonstration of the candidates inclusiveness and maturity. If you're not a candidate and you're not invited, HTFU and stop crying about it (I'm looking at you, BAMM HAVOC). If you really want to hang out in a social channel for fellow candidates, join the race. If that's too much work, simply join any of the other myriad channels that exist to provide the player community with free and unfettered access to the candidates.
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5949	Posted - 2014.06.05 20:59:00 - [40] - Quote Shley Ashes wrote: Tech De Ra wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: I'd made a public one on Skype, add me and I'll add you to it. another channel ? I think you've missed the point I was trying to make you made a point about not having a public skype channel, now there is one and still a private one ?...... sooo the point is still why do they need a private channel/s exist ? This isn't a transparency issue. At all. As far as anyone should be concerned, the CPM1 Candidates are -still just players- and will -continue to be just players- until elected -by the other players-. There is no secret discussion going on, there isn't any grand scheme, master plans, evil plots, or anything of or relating to the words "secret" going on at all. It's just a place that we can go to relax and get away from the public every once in a while and talk amongst friends, which we have done -solely- because we have a common interest. We now have a public channel, which doesn't bother me, except for the fact that people are -still- being melodramatic about all of this when it is LITERALLY like every other Skype channel about Dust 514, just focused on a topic that isn't related to anything in-game. Just saying, if you have a problem with transparency now, wait until seven of those candidates actually get elected and have to go behind closed doors to have their discussions -anyway- because of an NDA agreement. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1

XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1429	Posted - 2014.06.06 00:45:00 - [41] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: The point is, I am running against you. And against Judge. And anyone else thats going to occupy the 7 spots. Thats the crux of it. Coming out to ask to to joining your channel would first of all grant you an implicit leadership role, whch i cannot, and secondly turns it into a private group of idividuals who are actively seeking to influence dust, and by all means the political outcome of this election as well. That is kind of a elitist as it gets. ''Running for CPM? Join me and we'll work things out amognst our selves'' is a much poorer option than coming onto the forums where everyone can see everything, even if we deicde to work as a group ahead of the elections or not. Transparency was one of the biggest issues of CPM0, itss better to not have that obscured already in CPM1. Well it couldn't get more clear than this to be honest Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1429	Posted - 2014.06.06 00:48:00 - [42] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: I think the real question is why can't everyone be added to this so called CPM1 channel ? I'm not running but why can't I be in there ? There's the "Elitist" attitude right there, the CPM isn't above the community, it's for the community The channel in-game is public access and we have non-candidates in the skype channel. There are a -lot- of players in this channel, however, and keeping it restricted to a candidates and their invitations keeps it both focused, as well as prevents unnecessary / unrelated chatter. "We have non-candidates but only the ones we deem are good enough to be in it..." Elitist definition right there. Either it's open to non CPM candidates or it's not. When you start picking and choosing it starts being elitist. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 423	Posted - 2014.06.06 00:48:00 - [43] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: If you're not a candidate and you're not invited, HTFU and stop crying about it (I'm looking at you, BAMM HAVOC). If you really want to hang out in a social channel for fellow candidates, join the race. They were just a few simple requests, namely a point of contact within the correct context and atmosphere so that I may represent the cpm1 hopefuls in the light they wish to be seen in, and not the "newly created" open channel which is a total fluster cluck and a knee jerk reaction to our very own tin foil hat peddler pyrex . perhaps I should submit an application to CCP LogiBro BEER TIME !
RAIDER 04 The Exemplars Top Men. 8	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:09:00 - [44] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: I think the real question is why can't everyone be added to this so called CPM1 channel ? I'm not running but why can't I be in there ? There's the "Elitist" attitude right there, the CPM isn't above the community, it's for the community The channel in-game is public access and we have non-candidates in the skype channel. There are a -lot- of players in this channel, however, and keeping it restricted to a candidates and their invitations keeps it both focused, as well as prevents unnecessary / unrelated chatter. "We have non-candidates but only the ones we deem are good enough to be in it..." Elitist definition right there. Either it's open to non CPM candidates or it's not. When you start picking and choosing it starts being elitist. So THIS isn't a troll campaign The Corporate Raiders PAC Endorses this Survey Nixon for CPM
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1763	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:12:00 - [45] - Quote BAMM HAVOC wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: If you're not a candidate and you're not invited, HTFU and stop crying about it (I'm looking at you, BAMM HAVOC). If you really want to hang out in a social channel for fellow candidates, join the race. They were just a few simple requests, namely a point of contact within the correct context and atmosphere so that I may represent the cpm1 hopefuls in the light they wish to be seen in, and not the "newly created" open channel which is a total fluster cluck and a knee jerk reaction to our very own tin foil hat peddler pyrex . Relax bro, I was just giving you a hard time because I thought you of all people would be able to have a sense of humor about the situation. There was nothing wrong with asking or being curious about it. That said, your interest in media representation is exactly why you weren't brought into the channel, because its not really for any kind of official business. It's a social mixer, nothing more. Not for campaigning, not for discussing hot issues, not for networking or anything like that. Just a place for people to shoot the breeze and say hello to others going through the same experience together. And frankly, the candidates deserve a place to do this amongst themselves. BAMM HAVOC wrote: perhaps I should submit an application to CCP LogiBro So help me BAMM you better not run for CPM just to get an invite to a silly Skype channel. You know better than this!!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2656	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:17:00 - [46] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: "We have non-candidates but only the ones we deem are good enough to be in it..." Elitist definition right there. Either it's open to non CPM candidates or it's not. When you start picking and choosing it starts being elitist. Actually, as the case is, the only non-candidates are Hans himself, and candidates who have since withdrawn their candidacy, because we did not boot them out of it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 423	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:29:00 - [47] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: So help me BAMM you better not run for CPM just to get an invite to a silly Skype channel. You know better than this!! Me? Would I do such a thing ? BEER TIME !
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1764	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:50:00 - [48] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: "We have non-candidates but only the ones we deem are good enough to be in it..." Elitist definition right there. Either it's open to non CPM candidates or it's not. When you start picking and choosing it starts being elitist. Dude he was talking about the IN-GAME CPM1 candidate channel, which is open access and has candidates and non-candidates alike. There's no need to blow this out of proportion. For what its worth, as Soraya clearly pointed out the private channel that everyone is bitching about is indeed -only- CPM1 candidates, save for myself who is literally the only individual to have both served on the CPM and survived elections successfully before. All I'm really there for is to field simple questions from time to time, I mostly let them chitchat amongst themselves. At the end of the day this is like complaining that the girl scouts are elitist because they don't allow boys, or that the Boys and Girls club is elitist because it doesnt allow adult men to hang out there on weekdays after school hours. To swat down the existence of a social channel is literally to argue that the candidates should be denied their god-given right to make friends and have conversations with similar people going through similar experiences. Whenever the CPM puts an official stamp on something and says "this is where we are conducting our business and engaging the public", THAN the community has every right to be critical of how transparent that work environment is and to expect openness from their representatives. The community is NOT however entitled to be present for every moment of a CPM/ CPM hopeful's social life. All the more important to squash this notion early, before it escalates and we have morons demanding that CPM members Soundcloud every personal cell phone call because THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE WEEKEND.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2656	Posted - 2014.06.06 01:59:00 - [49] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE WEEKEND. My plans for the weekend is to be devoted to my DUST community peeps. No phone calls will be taken! No life shall be had! I have no girlfriend, and hence, no distractions from my cause! Or something. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1764	Posted - 2014.06.06 02:18:00 - [50] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: No phone calls will be taken! Fine. We shall instead install video cameras throughout your house (and all the other candidates too) and just broadcast your lives on twitch, like reality TV. You will be allowed dinner dates out on the town w/ friends, but only when accompanied by a certified third-party media escort to document the experience and make sure it is uploaded as well. I'm sure you will be happy to oblige because clearly the only reason you would ever dream of privacy is because YOU MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE

RAIDER 04 The Exemplars Top Men. 9	Posted - 2014.06.06 02:37:00 - [51] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: No phone calls will be taken! Fine. We shall instead install video cameras throughout your house (and all the other candidates too) and just broadcast your lives on twitch, like reality TV. You will be allowed dinner dates out on the town w/ friends, but only when accompanied by a certified third-party media escort to document the experience and make sure it is uploaded as well. I'm sure you will be happy to oblige because clearly the only reason you would ever dream of privacy is because YOU MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE Don't we all have something to hide... The Corporate Raiders PAC Endorses this Survey Nixon for CPM
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1429	Posted - 2014.06.06 02:39:00 - [52] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Shley Ashes wrote: I think the real question is why can't everyone be added to this so called CPM1 channel ? I'm not running but why can't I be in there ? There's the "Elitist" attitude right there, the CPM isn't above the community, it's for the community The channel in-game is public access and we have non-candidates in the skype channel. There are a -lot- of players in this channel, however, and keeping it restricted to a candidates and their invitations keeps it both focused, as well as prevents unnecessary / unrelated chatter. "We have non-candidates but only the ones we deem are good enough to be in it..." Elitist definition right there. Either it's open to non CPM candidates or it's not. When you start picking and choosing it starts being elitist. My vision on this still stands since the wording implies the invitees of the CPM candidates also. BTW Heinrich, I am not complaining I am simply responding to what is. I care not for the drama that is being created but I am calling things out like they are. Keeping it honest so to speak. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor


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