They could start by giving you Min Scouts some more PG, atleast.

No point in being the "Speedy Ninja Scout" when you can't even fit all the Kin Cats you need without running out of fitting space...

I say that the bonus should change from knife damage to a speed boost, just an example would be 3% a level. Also, there should be a pg boost, can barely fit decent kincats with a cloak.

no, the knife has got to stay, it has saved my ass from heavies like 20 times.

Minmatar Scout is actually my favorite suit to use right now.
Increasing the speed of the scout doesn't do much. There's a soft cap on max speed DUST 514 can handle that is about 11.00m/s The Gallente Scout with 4 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers runs at 11.11m/s and the Minmatar Scout with 3 Complex Kinetic Catalyzer runs at 11.12m/s

Speed is also fairly useless as long as stun-lock exists.
Removing that alone will buff the Minmatar Scout.

The other thing it needs is like a 3-4 PG increase. At max stats it becomes an extra 5-6 PG which would make fitting so much easier.

Buff Minmatar Assault! The scout gets a damage bonus, the commando gets a damage bonus, the logi get's a damage reversal bonus (rep tool), the assaults need a damage bonus too. It's impossible to play a hit and run class with low HP and no additional damage over other classes. Maybe give them 2x-3x Damage mod efficacy or something, but do SOMETHING!

Also.... Buff Minmatar scout. 2x RE radius? 2x mass driver/flayock radius? 2x locus grenade radius? All of the above? Just spitballing ideas based off of Matari gear.

Buff Minmatar Assault! The scout gets a damage bonus, the commando gets a damage bonus, the logi get's a damage reversal bonus (rep tool), the assaults need a damage bonus too. It's impossible to play a hit and run class with low HP and no additional damage over other classes. Maybe give them 2x-3x Damage mod efficacy or something, but do SOMETHING!

Also.... Buff Minmatar scout. 2x RE radius? 2x mass driver/flayock radius? 2x locus grenade radius? All of the above? Just spitballing ideas based off of Matari gear.

how is it underpowered at all? loot at this op fotm fit every1 runs with the min scout! http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/989/4703

I don't know how to buff it but buff it some how...

This game is literally unplayable in a minmitar scout, with low HP and deprived CPU and PG, I can't freking fit anything on it.. I have level 4 in minmitar scout and when I put a ADV cloak, I have to fit an enhanced CPU and a enhanced PG to fit it. Also, nova knives are trash except for proto.

Did I forget to mention the fact that Kin Cats so much PG?

Also, it's annyoing getting murderd like amarr scout because amarr and minmitar have no ewar capabilities.

I run proto min scout. I will tell you that you do want at least 4 in electronics and 4 in engineering before fitting a cloak. Until then just be a scout without one.

Here was my Adv Min Scout when I was at 3 in min scout. And I was at 3 from the start of 1.8. I use ALOT OF BOOSTERS so I was able to work my way up to 22+ mil SP since I started the game.

3x enhanced Extenders (Or whatever combo of basics and enhanced that will fit)
1x complex dampener
1x basic armor plate
BK-42 combat Rifle
Flaylock pistol (I consistently play with people amazed what this can do when I use it)
Basic Nades
RS-9 uplinks
Compact nanohives

I would substitute the Uplinks with a STD cloak after I died for the first time.


I had a 1.5+ KDR during that time. I'm not that great of a slayer so I don't have that great of a KDR in general. My friend calls me an A-Hole because what I do is harass large groups of people moving from one null to the other trying to distract them while the rest of the team either surrounds them or gets other hacks. Anyway....

I went to 4 in Electronics and Engineering before 1.8 so I was already set for success. I would strongly suggest you goto 4 in those two. You almost have to to be competitive with more experienced players no matter what suit you wear. You are DEFINITELY going to need it when proto to edge out other proto players or at least be even with them.

That fit is about 40 to 60k and I would just wear MLT shields an dMLT armor plate and Basic combat rifle on a variant to save ISK when I wanted to. Yes, EHP is lower than Gal but not much less than a Cal equivalent., Yes your hack isn't as awesome as you may want it to be BUT it still worked well. I just escorted other groups of players. An example is a heavy and logi run in through a door to take people on and then back out. I would be ready for the people that rushed out to chase them while the heavy reloaded or something. I would hack when a heavy or medium got to a null hoping that they would fend off anyone that would try to surprise me. I beat more than my share of Cal and Gal proto scouts during this time.

I did have one where instead of the armor plate I wore my complex hack module

You can do it. Stick it out until you are proto OR switch to another scout before spending that 1.2 mil sp. It is completely up to you.

So many people tell me the min scout sucks. And it sort of does but I'm a better player for it.

Again:

1) Stay in groups and provide support

2) Don't hack alone, hack with others and help get it faster

3) Don't take on every 1v1, escape and get back to a group or just buy time. The min scout, in my mind, is a harraser. It gets hacks when no one is looking forcing resources on the battlefield to redirect to that null. Giving room for the team to be more successful elsewhere.

4) Don't think you HAVE TO fit cloak. Run needles and hives and pseudo logi by picking up the proto sentinals. They appreciate you saving their 80k isk fits and the proto logi's appreciate you picking them up to. I assure you that they do.

5) Don't give up on it. I think when I finally go into another scout I am going to be better than a decent number of other scouts of that race simply because of the difficulty of being a min scout.

6) Ensure that you have 5 points in Dampening at the bare minimum. If you don't have this do not skill into the min scout any further until you do.

7) Nova Knifes are a hobby in my opinion. I have met very, VERY few players to be succesfull against good players with NK. I don't have 1 point in NK to be honest. I would avoid them until you are proto and have some ISK to spare until you can get good at them. I hate them. It is too hard for me to do any of the things I want. yes, I did try the basic AUR ones even though I don't have 1 point in them.

I really hope this helps. I know how hard it is to be a min scout. Keep at it. Take advantage of SP events and boosters when you can if you can.

It's not imposssible to use the Minmitar scout, I do it all the time. The Minmitar scout is definitely the worst of all the scouts. You can't fit everything like you can a Caldari or a Gallente scout. Minmitar buff please :3

My only suggestion is to stop putting HP mods on your fits, speed & Ewar are our strengths. Going Min scout is a 'all or nothing' proposition. You simply won't be able to take advantage of the suit until you have ALL related skills maxed out. That includes all core skills(shields, armor, electronics, etc..), Ewar skills(dampening, precision, etc..), Biotics(KinKats, etc..), don't forget Hacking, Nova Knives, Uplinks, Weapon of choice(should be a CR if suit resources are your problem), & what ever else suits your play style. But when you can dance right in the middle of a squad of "stupid" reds, falcon punching your way to victory It's all worth it.

The only thing the minja needs is a pig buff.

thanks for the novel... I have all ewar skills to 5, I have pg extension to 4, cpu to 5, still cannot properly fit a ADV cloak on an ADV scout without having to put of CPU and PG extensions. I use proto nova knifes, they are the bane of the existence of heavies when I play Proficiency level 4.

More bacon?
HELL yes!

i have 32 million skillpoints and I for fact can tell you that the minmitar scout was not meant of ewar.

Simply put, you can be amazing with a minmitar scout but you will always get r8ped by a good caldari or gallante scout. Also, running around with 200 ehp is the stupidest idea especailly when you are running a 150k isk suit.

i have 32 million skillpoints and I for fact can tell you that the minmitar scout was not meant of ewar.

Simply put, you can be amazing with a minmitar scout but you will always get r8ped by a good caldari or gallante scout. Also, running around with 200 ehp is the stupidest idea especailly when you are running a 150k isk suit.

Don't knock it until you try it. KinKats & Cmp Extenders(the only ones worth a damn) do not mix well on a min scout, there's no way around it. & sure the Gal & Cal are better in their respective Ewar Bonuses, but the Minja can have better precision than the Gal with nearly the same range of a Cal. Combined with speed & stealth, this can be a very dangerous suit. Yes the Gal & Cal scouts make better slayers. But the Min scout is the proverbial fly in the soup. Stealth, Flank, Hack, repeat. Besides, can you show me a valid melee fit with any other scout?

BTW, I play for fun, suit cost is irrelevant.

so true.

Are you new to this game? 10 bucks that I can woop ur but any day in my caldari STD scout while you use proto minmitar.

Are you new to this game? 10 bucks that I can woop ur but any day in my caldari STD scout while you use proto minmitar.

My 42 Million skill points say no. But your the one complaining not me

My 42 Million skill points say no. But your the one complaining not me

I can also sit here and say i have 45 million sp sir.

you were created on November 10th 2013, no way you have 42 million sp unless you play for 10 hours a day with boosters on.

I can also sit here and say i have 45 million sp sir.

It's not imposssible to use the Minmitar scout, I do it all the time. The Minmitar scout is definitely the worst of all the scouts. You can't fit everything like you can a Caldari or a Gallente scout. Minmitar buff please :3

Min Scout isn't that bad, it just isn't as good as gal/cal scout or heavies.

Nova knife damage bonus is worthless and should be changed to something else.

Auto aim should be tuned down.

I'm a closed beta vet, & I don't need to prove anything to you. I have 42 million SP, & there are many who have much more. I have been playing Dust514 for 2 years.

BTW, the date your refering to is when I joined my current Corp. But I'm sure we have all realize, just how much you know.

Min Scout isn't that bad, it just isn't as good as gal/cal scout or heavies.

Nova knife damage bonus is worthless and should be changed to something else.

Auto aim should be tuned down.

you dont always need a cloak with a scout... have you already forgotten when pyrex use to use the min scout

I don't know how to buff it but buff it some how...

This game is literally unplayable in a minmitar scout, with low HP and deprived CPU and PG, I can't freking fit anything on it.. I have level 4 in minmitar scout and when I put a ADV cloak, I have to fit an enhanced CPU and a enhanced PG to fit it. Also, nova knives are trash except for proto.

Did I forget to mention the fact that Kin Cats so much PG?

Also, it's annyoing getting murderd like amarr scout because amarr and minmitar have no ewar capabilities.

The scout suit I use the most though is
Scout M-I
High Slot: 2x Basic Shield Extender
Light Weapon: Combat Rifle
Sidearm: ZN-28 Nova Knives
Grenade: flux grenade
Equipment: Remote Explosives, Cloak Field
Low Slots: 2x Complex Profile Dampeners

Min Scout isn't that bad, it just isn't as good as gal/cal scout or heavies.

Nova knife damage bonus is worthless and should be changed to something else.

Auto aim should be tuned down.

Sit the flap down, the nova damage is the only thing that makes the suit worth it!!

you dont always need a cloak with a scout... have you already forgotten when pyrex use to use the min scout

Where is Mr. Mustard? I bet he'd have a few words to say, that is one guy that can rock a Minmatar scout and insta kill ANY suit with his knives. He can work with what he's given, and is one of the best(well, really THE BEST) with nova knives as a Minmatar scout. And this was before cloak came out too.