The community and I just wrapped up a thoughtful 26 page discussion about this in Feedback and Discussions.

Gallente Scouts

There was a lot of back and forth with scout specialists, sharing of data and concerns and the current proposal is the third iteration where we as a whole reached a good compromise. Not everyone will be happy all the time, but I do believe every concern raised in this particular thread has been discussed thoroughly.

Here you can see the change from proposal, through revisions and ultimately the final version

Hotfix Alpha Numbers

Everyone based their data off pub's where you have to assume 16 out of 32 mercenaries present are total morons.

Sadly this corupts the results.

Cat Merc Speaks sadly more to the truth and the reality of if you have at least 32 competent Mercenaries in play, with more then 10 mil skill points and usually passive skills maxed.

Truthfully we have been arguing with the same no name alts with 100 likes for well over a year and our predictions are never far from what happens.

It matters not, we have the SP we will always be able to cushion any personal negative blow out "Hotfixes" may incur.

But throughout DUST 514 and the nearly 2 years i have been here. Any time CCP Shanghai has changed more then One variable on a Singular Item in DUST 514, let alone 3... Stuff gets broken and the pendulum swings vastly the other way.

Like what will happen yet again here sadly if this will continue to be the model of developing thotfixes for "Balance" attempts.If these are server side do we have to rush so many changes onto singular item's? can you ever advance balance really with changing so many variables at once?

Logic and experience sadly would dictate otherwise, and this hotfix will be merely to "mix" some things up. But As for "Balance?" and the grand scheme of racial parity? Sadly this will just land us back to square one in a few weeks.

The community and I just wrapped up a thoughtful 26 page discussion about this in Feedback and Discussions.

Gallente Scouts

There was a lot of back and forth with scout specialists, sharing of data and concerns and the current proposal is the third iteration where we as a whole reached a good compromise. Not everyone will be happy all the time, but I do believe every concern raised in this particular thread has been discussed thoroughly.

Here you can see the change from proposal, through revisions and ultimately the final version

Hotfix Alpha Numbers

Everyone based their data off pub's where you have to assume 16 out of 32 mercenaries present are total morons.

Sadly this corupts the results.

Cat Merc Speaks sadly more to the truth and the reality of if you have at least 32 competent Mercenaries in play, with more then 10 mil skill points and usually passive skills maxed.

Truthfully we have been arguing with the same no name alts with 100 likes for well over a year and our predictions are never far from what happens.

It matters not, we have the SP we will always be able to cushion any personal negative blow out "Hotfixes" may incur.

But throughout DUST 514 and the nearly 2 years i have been here. Any time CCP Shanghai has changed more then One variable on a Singular Item in DUST 514, let alone 3... Stuff gets broken and the pendulum swings vastly the other way.

Like what will happen yet again here sadly if this will continue to be the model of developing hotfixes for "Balance" attempts.. They are setting you up for failure... .If these changes are all server side do we have to rush so many changes onto singular item's in one hotfix? can you ever advance balance really with changing so many variables at once?

Logic and experience sadly would dictate otherwise, and this hotfix will be merely to "mix" some things up. But As for "Balance?" and the grand scheme of racial parity? Sadly this will just land us back to square one in a few weeks.

I just want to correct the misconception, that is being used to qualify our collective effort, that we are using "pub data". Without going into detail, that is certainly not the case. We are using filtered data for this purpose, based on behavioral qualifications.

Why are you encouraging another FOTM at the moment. Caldari scout is OP. I can't stress this enough. Logged in to play today 75% of my deaths were by caldari scouts. I don't understand if this approach is becuase gallente scout is overly used in PC or pub matches. If it's pub matches then it's clearly misleading.

The reasons why know Caldari scout is OP.

- 3% passive scan vs 1% scan , caldari will detect you faster
- quick shield regen vs 1 hp armor rep
- more shield vs less armor. ( gallente needs to sacrifice slots for dampening and also tanking won't work wih penalties.)
I can't even equip kinkats or biotic modules in my gallente because I need to sacrifice to keep hidden from caldari scouts. Outrageous.

If your are EVER running 4 presicion enhancers on a Cal scout for PC or pubs then your a scrub (its not a viable fit WHATSOEVER)

If you are EVER running 3 dampeners on a scout in PC or pubs then you have a shotgun

All this is essentially nonsense

And so I hope that drives people back to medium frames to get away from the scout QQ by everyone

I have a Cal scout I use in PC and Gal scout in reserve

All these changes are fair

Although the Double cloak Nerf was a bit harsh and has now made it non-viable in PC except for Gal scout "ghosts"

Shields are still really weak compared to armor and were supposed to scan you first if we can scan you. And we sacrifice scans for shield and armor for damps.

The issue I have now is that many scouts are equipped with ACR mostly caldari scouts. If this was the case caldari would easily would win if he were versing a gallente scout under these circumstances. Now that ACR being reduced and that 3% damage buff to AR, will change the whole play style. Obviously the caldari scout is in trouble since everyone is going back to AR and that's likely going to happen. But still the quick shield regen vs 1 hp armor rep still an issue.

The issue I have now is that many scouts are equipped with ACR mostly caldari scouts. If this was the case caldari would easily would win if he were versing a gallente scout under these circumstances. Now that ACR being reduced and that 3% damage buff to AR, will change the whole play style. Obviously the caldari scout is in trouble since everyone is going back to AR and that's likely going to happen. But still the quick shield regen vs 1 hp armor rep still an issue.

Shields are still really weak compared to armor and were supposed to scan you first if we can scan you. And we sacrifice scans for shield and armor for damps.

So you are basically trying to kill the gallente scout once again? You REALLY know how to break a game congratulations.
Now gallente have the worst weapons plus the most useless suits.

So lets see what we will have:
Gal scout 3% dampening bonus + 1% scanrange bonus as skill bonus
Cal scout: 3% scan Range bonus + 5% scanprecision bonus as skill bonus
Min scout: 5% NK bonus + 5% Hacking bonus as as skill bonus
Amr Scout: 5% Statimina Bonus + 5% stamina Regen Bonus

Anyone that can't see the imbalance in these boni is just stupid. The cal scout was already incredible popular among better corps because its the best scout outright if you know how to use it. The insane shield regen coupled with a pretty good shield buffer made the cal scout soo powerfull coupled with IMHO the best combination of skill boni.

The gal scout was IMHO the second or third best scout as the min scout is pretty close. Sure the gal scout could tank amor but the amarr could do this even better.

The question ist with every scout getting two large boni why did you not change the gal scan range bonus instead of nerfing it to the ground?

Edit: just recognized the passive regen of the gal scout will remain unchanged therefore I edited a few passages...

The issue I have now is that many scouts are equipped with ACR mostly caldari scouts. If this was the case caldari would easily would win if he were versing a gallente scout under these circumstances. Now that ACR being reduced and that 3% damage buff to AR, will change the whole play style. Obviously the caldari scout is in trouble since everyone is going back to AR and that's likely going to happen. But still the quick shield regen vs 1 hp armor rep still an issue.

the issue here isnt the ACR being OP, but the suit using it.

Any minmatar suit using a minmatar weapon, is never OP, because minmatar suits suck.