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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 10:42:00 -
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Caldari Scouts and Gallente scouts were pretty much used equally on the Battlefield.
Now with the Gallente nerf where you hacked and slashed the bonuses and repair rate, without touching the Caldari Scout, you've pretty much made sure that the Caldari Scout will be the most widely used scout.
Congratulations.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 10:52:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:CCP Rattati wrote: Reducing CA [scout] passive scan to 3% from 5%
It said scan range in the document. Not scan precision.
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Posted - 2014.05.25 10:55:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Where did you read this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JBQf3RqsjQ7MxJ3wY1JN3YSDZekrpWW2zk5tDRUNgw0/edit#gid=0
Type 1.8 Increase Proposed Increase Caldari ScoutScan Range per level |5% |3% Gallente ScoutScan Range per level| 5% | 1% Gallente ScoutDampening per level | 5% | 3% Gallente ScoutPassive regen| 3hp/s | 1hp/s
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 11:04:00 -
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Ryder Azorria wrote:So, in conclusion. They have nerfed the Caldari scout. They nerfed the scan range slightly while completely wrecking the Gallente scout.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 18:37:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Caldari Scouts and Gallente scouts were pretty much used equally on the battlefield.
Now with the Gallente nerf where you hacked and slashed the bonuses and repair rate, without touching the Caldari Scout, you've pretty much made sure that the Caldari Scout will be the most widely used scout.
Congratulations. The nerf bat swings 360 degrees bro?! You mean I can't get in my tanked gallente scout with assault lvl armor, scout speed, a cloak mod, an amazing assortment of weapons ranging from nova knives and shotguns to every other weapon in the game but heavies, an extremely small hit box with lighting movement speed, and just go kill assault, logi, and heavy players indiscriminately 1 on 3??? ....... GREAT!!!!!!! Cuz that wasn't CLEARLY OP?!?!? You can only get tank, speed, or stealth. Not all three at the same time.
Also, you're talking to a Gallente Assault by heart, if you think this has anything to do with me not wanting to see scouts nerfed you can **** off.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:47:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:First of all the gal scout is currently used by more than 50% of the scout community. This was pointed out by CCP. This means the remaining half of scouts are mostly cals, with some minny and few amarr.
So Cat's assumtion that current scouts are evenly distributed between gal and cal is wrong. Gal is the current majority.
Second, the dampening/cloak nerf will hurt all scouts but the gal will be least effected compared to the others. This change will likely produce an ever increasing use of scanners again.
And since a scanned scout is often a dead scout their will be a migration to gal scout, the only scout to effectively get under focused scanners.
Brick tanking a scout is stupid especially if you are constantly getting scanned. Being immune to scans is much more important than a few hundred hp. And as more players switch to the gal scout the cal scout will become even less useful because a cal scout cant scan a properly damped gal scout.
TL;DR. The gal scout is currently the most used scout (over 50%) and this trend will continue after hotfix alpha. In fact the gal scout will probably gain more users since it is least effected by damp/cloak nerf. I suspect the Cal Scout will be the most common.
If you can see everything, you can avoid everything.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 21:48:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Caldari Scouts and Gallente scouts were pretty much used equally on the battlefield.
Now with the Gallente nerf where you hacked and slashed the bonuses and repair rate, without touching the Caldari Scout, you've pretty much made sure that the Caldari Scout will be the most widely used scout.
Congratulations. The nerf bat swings 360 degrees bro?! You mean I can't get in my tanked gallente scout with assault lvl armor, scout speed, a cloak mod, an amazing assortment of weapons ranging from nova knives and shotguns to every other weapon in the game but heavies, an extremely small hit box with lighting movement speed, and just go kill assault, logi, and heavy players indiscriminately 1 on 3??? ....... GREAT!!!!!!! Cuz that wasn't CLEARLY OP?!?!? You can only get tank, speed, or stealth. Not all three at the same time. Also, you're talking to a Gallente Assault by heart, if you think this has anything to do with me not wanting to see scouts nerfed you can **** off. Refer to above comment ^^^^. I don't think it sunk in just yet chief lol! Also, if you were indeed "gallente assault by heart", you would be running it! Which tells me that as good as we are at running gallente assault. We have, apparently and without intention, run into the same damn problem?! What problem you ask? Scouts are OP! My solution was Heavy/Commando, your's counter scout. Running assault anything below proto level everything is ******* suicide without a full squad of seal team ******* six?! Shall we agree to disagree? Well, good thing I didn't touch my scout in quite a while, running a triple rep Gallente Assault.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:00:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I agree there will be a reduction in gal, but I don't feel my minja was terribly hurt. I may have to invest in a proto cloak I wasn't planning on, but whatevs, I have been working on reducing my isk balance to 0 anyways. I think you will see a large number of brick tanked scouts migrating back to a medium frame of some kind, which will add more variety to the game. Cat Merc wrote:I suspect the Cal Scout will be the most common.
If you can see everything, you can avoid everything. The only problem with this is that a cal scout can't see everything without everyone seeing you too. Anyone running range amps and not completely dampened will be able to pick up a cal before they come into a cal's range, which is plenty close to catch them unaware with a CR/RR/AR. You don't need much more than one range amp. I even dropped my only range amp on my Gal Scout because I never felt like I need it, I used the slot for a kin cat.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:37:00 -
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Enkidu Camuel wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Well its not gonna be as amazing, but its still gonna be the best scout. You can armor tank the hell out of it and throw on all complex weapons and equipment and be unseen. I think its fine to reduce some of the bonuses because its still the best scout. The caldari scout is a very specialized role, if we want to be better at that role we need to sacrifice a lot of tank, and even then we won't pick up the gal scout. Besides, between the Gal and Cal scout, the Cal is the most easiest to kill once spotted, AR's, CR's and SCR's are a bane for them, mostly the AR when it gets some love in the future. And shotguns are mostly OHKO while the Gal scout can survive at least 2. Assuming you tank. My gk.0 scout has 300 HP
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:46:00 -
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BlazeXYZ wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:BlazeXYZ wrote:Why are you encouraging another FOTM at the moment. Caldari scout is OP. I can't stress this enough. Logged in to play today 75% of my deaths were by caldari scouts. I don't understand if this approach is becuase gallente scout is overly used in PC or pub matches. If it's pub matches then it's clearly misleading. The reasons why know Caldari scout is OP. - 3% passive scan vs 1% scan , caldari will detect you faster - quick shield regen vs 1 hp armor rep - more shield vs less armor. ( gallente needs to sacrifice slots for dampening and also tanking won't work wih penalties.) I can't even equip kinkats or biotic modules in my gallente because I need to sacrifice to keep hidden from caldari scouts. Outrageous. Shields are still really weak compared to armor and were supposed to scan you first if we can scan you. And we sacrifice scans for shield and armor for damps. The issue I have now is that many scouts are equipped with ACR mostly caldari scouts. If this was the case caldari would easily would win if he were versing a gallente scout under these circumstances. Now that ACR being reduced and that 3% damage buff to AR, will change the whole play style. Obviously the caldari scout is in trouble since everyone is going back to AR and that's likely going to happen. But still the quick shield regen vs 1 hp armor rep still an issue. HAHAHAHA You really expect the 2% changes to do anything? Also, ACR isn't being touched, only the normal CR.
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