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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:25:00 -
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I keep noticing people talking about a scout nerf and I'm curious as to what's going on. I caught something on a hotfix note from a dev earlier but can't remember anything about the scouts and was wondering if something else is planned or has been implemented into the game.
Knowing my luck, they probably nerfed the Minmatar scout's PG and left the Gal and Cal scouts alone...
Nova Knives are magic~
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Louis Domi
Pradox One Proficiency V.
290
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:28:00 -
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Cloak nerf, no extra % to dampening |
Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
464
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:33:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Cloak nerf, no extra % to dampening
Ah. That's it, huh? I suppose CCP thinks that's going to balance things perfectly. Ah well, thanks for the info. ^~^
Nova Knives are magic~
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Michael Arck
4475
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:39:00 -
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Yep the cloak nerf, though I hope they change their mind because cloaks don't need to be tampered with at all. For once, I want them to not change something because people don't want to take the time to find a way to beat something within the Dust universe.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
917
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:40:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:I keep noticing people talking about a scout nerf and I'm curious as to what's going on. I caught something on a hotfix note from a dev earlier but can't remember anything about the scouts and was wondering if something else is planned or has been implemented into the game. Knowing my luck, they probably nerfed the Minmatar scout's PG and left the Gal and Cal scouts alone...
cloaks being over nerfed. Now you'll see slow moving scouts sitting on triage hives with 700 armor more often. Cloaks lose their duration and it is awful. |
Sir Dukey
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
917
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:41:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Yep the cloak nerf, though I hope they change their mind because cloaks don't need to be tampered with at all. For once, I want them to not change something because people don't want to take the time to find a way to beat something within the Dust universe.
I agree the dampening bonus should be 10% STD, 20% ADV, 25% PRO and the durations need to stay the same. Common CCP, 15 second duration for STD? Like WTF? |
Onesimus Tarsus
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
2030
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:49:00 -
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Remove cloaks.
Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW.
Birth, growth, decline, death.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
448
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:55:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:Louis Domi wrote:Cloak nerf, no extra % to dampening Ah. That's it, huh? I suppose CCP thinks that's going to balance things perfectly. Ah well, thanks for the info. ^~^ You do know this is gonna kill the minny scout right? It will be impossible to hide from a Cal scout |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2535
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:11:00 -
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Clack nerf is fine. If anything, I only use it as a supplementary means of escape so it won't affect my play style. Most times, I'm just running around using cover: something that very few people make use of now. |
Michael Arck
4475
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:22:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Clack nerf is fine. If anything, I only use it as a supplementary means of escape so it won't affect my play style. Most times, I'm just running around using cover: something that very few people make use of now.
But your usage of it is purely subjective. While you might think its the definitive usage of it, that will translate something different to someone else.
But yet, the point remains, they are nerfing the cloaks based on the tears of people who complain about the cloaks. The times are so stupid. 15 seconds for a standard? What's the use of even having a standard cloak? You might as well just do without the cloak because of its PG/CPU costs. The ADV down to 30 secs?
So basically they are discouraging people to use the cloaks, hence catering to the people who will not change their tactical game to combat scouts. That's evident in the profile dampening changes.
It just gets to the point where it is entirely stupid to introduce new things to the universe only to nerf them to a point where its stupid to have it equipped. It becomes a novelty item.
Let the E-war happen. I kill cloaked scouts all the time. People dying by scouts are not paying attention to anything.
The one change I would like to see is that they should have it where a only a scout can use it. Cloaked commando? Cloaked Logi? C'mon now, that's what need to be changed, not the duration.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Final Resolution.
295
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:24:00 -
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The nerf is welcomed but i feel it should have only lowered not removed completely. But with one dampener scouts will still evade most scanners if they arent on a gal logi. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2653
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:27:00 -
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Finally got rid of the dB (good thing) and reduced the durations by half across all tiers (neutral).
As a scout, I'm glad, but I wished they came out with this sooner. What the f*ck? |
Echo 1991
WarRavens Final Resolution.
296
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:29:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Clack nerf is fine. If anything, I only use it as a supplementary means of escape so it won't affect my play style. Most times, I'm just running around using cover: something that very few people make use of now. But your usage of it is purely subjective. While you might think its the definitive usage of it, that will translate something different to someone else. But yet, the point remains, they are nerfing the cloaks based on the tears of people who complain about the cloaks. The times are so stupid. 15 seconds for a standard? What's the use of even having a standard cloak? You might as well just do without the cloak because of its PG/CPU costs. The ADV down to 30 secs? So basically they are discouraging people to use the cloaks, hence catering to the people who will not change their tactical game to combat scouts. That's evident in the profile dampening changes. It just gets to the point where it is entirely stupid to introduce new things to the universe only to nerf them to a point where its stupid to have it equipped. It becomes a novelty item. Let the E-war happen. I kill cloaked scouts all the time. People dying by scouts are not paying attention to anything. The one change I would like to see is that they should have it where a only a scout can use it. Cloaked commando? Cloaked Logi? C'mon now, that's what need to be changed, not the duration. The times are fine. Why should you be cloaked for so long? I mean really just use an advance one. Its to discourage camping. And as for combating scouts, it is nearly impossible to detect a cloaked scout unless you see them move in front of you. Gal logis with proto scanners cant pick up most scouts that are cloaked so how can any other suit do it? Cal scouts are gonna be silly now though. |
m twiggz
Pradox One Proficiency V.
640
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:33:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Clack nerf is fine. If anything, I only use it as a supplementary means of escape so it won't affect my play style. Most times, I'm just running around using cover: something that very few people make use of now. This. I use my cloak to escape sticky situations, run across large fields to get to objectives, or going AFK to use the bathroom real quick . Those that use it to sit in corners with their OHK shottys are the only ones who will truly be effected.
I do have to agree I suspect there will be a lot more GalScouts stacking armor sitting on rep hives now. Time will tell. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1634
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:50:00 -
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They are fixing things in a roundabout way.
Tanked invisiscouts are a problem. Removing dampening that hurts the endangered Amarr and Minmatar scouts just so the Gallente have to use their slots for dampeners instead of tank is a silly way to fix things.
Fixing plates such that they cost more and are a percentage increase instead of flat increase reduces the brick tanking problem, while still enabling the Amar and Minmatar to be viable.
Problems need to be addressed in a less heavy handed manor. I am tired of being marginalized because others like to take advantage of broken mechanics that should never have been broken to begin with.
"I've made a huge mistake."
-G.O.B. Bluth
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1634
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Posted - 2014.05.24 00:52:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Clack nerf is fine. If anything, I only use it as a supplementary means of escape so it won't affect my play style. Most times, I'm just running around using cover: something that very few people make use of now. This. I use my cloak to escape sticky situations, run across large fields to get to objectives, or going AFK to use the bathroom real quick . Those that use it to sit in corners with their OHK shottys are the only ones who will truly be effected. I do have to agree I suspect there will be a lot more GalScouts stacking armor sitting on rep hives now. Time will tell. I disagree. My squishy Minja, which never stops running, and constantly hacks and rehacks everything will now be gunned downed because of OP tacnet and passive scan sharing.
This is not a fix in the sense that it balances the game. It is a fix in that it only breaks the game in a way that doesn't affect you, so why should you care if the game is unbalanced?
"I've made a huge mistake."
-G.O.B. Bluth
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Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star. EoN.
109
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:00:00 -
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More tears from everyone, please.
Cloaks, in general, do not need a decrease in scan profile. The cloak provides a visual tactical advantage, which is more then enough when used in right situations.
If an individual wants to be "undetectable" to scan, both active and passive, one needs to use the modules available to hope to achieve their desired goal.
Current cloaks give the user the best of both worlds with little to no draw backs, this obviously compounds more so on the galscout then other races.
Durations of cloaks, 1.8 pre nerf, did not seem OP but I couldn't tell why proto level length was necessary. When I use my scout suit I do not cloak so I have no personal experience to add too much judgement on durations. Though I can see why individuals are not happy with the nerf. They now have to fit a higher end cloak that will consume more cpu/pg on their builds, which is just fine with me. One of the prices one must pay to play with toys.
I am happy to see that CCP is looking at time delay between De-cloak and weapon fire as this "animation glitch" is rather game breaking and is cheap for easy kills.
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Amarr Assault_
Caldari Scout
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1635
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:05:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:More tears from everyone, please.
Cloaks, in general, do not need a decrease in scan profile. The cloak provides a visual tactical advantage, which is more then enough when used in right situations.
If an individual wants to be "undetectable" to scan, both active and passive, one needs to use the modules available to hope to achieve their desired goal.
Current cloaks give the user the best of both worlds with little to no draw backs, this obviously compounds more so on the galscout then other races.
Durations of cloaks, 1.8 pre nerf, did not seem OP but I couldn't tell why proto level length was necessary. When I use my scout suit I do not cloak so I have no personal experience to add too much judgement on durations. Though I can see why individuals are not happy with the nerf. They now have to fit a higher end cloak that will consume more cpu/pg on their builds, which is just fine with me. One of the prices one must pay to play with toys.
I am happy to see that CCP is looking at time delay between De-cloak and weapon fire as this "animation glitch" is rather game breaking and is cheap for easy kills.
Try fitting a minmatar pal. The suit doesn't have the slot number or CPU/PG to do so. It has the lowest base ehp as well. Tacnet is a huge crutch, and the element of surprise is a must.
Visually, I die fairly easily by people who see me. Example, the other day I sat invisible as a tank was in front of me to try and survive. He had seen me move, and all he had to do was scan the area until his rectical turned red, which is exactly what he did.
There are legitimate problems, with legitimate solutions. Unless coupled with other solutions, removing cloak dampening only hurts the scouts that are already hurting.
"I've made a huge mistake."
-G.O.B. Bluth
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Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star. EoN.
109
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:23:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Arcturis Vanguard wrote:More tears from everyone, please.
Cloaks, in general, do not need a decrease in scan profile. The cloak provides a visual tactical advantage, which is more then enough when used in right situations.
If an individual wants to be "undetectable" to scan, both active and passive, one needs to use the modules available to hope to achieve their desired goal.
Current cloaks give the user the best of both worlds with little to no draw backs, this obviously compounds more so on the galscout then other races.
Durations of cloaks, 1.8 pre nerf, did not seem OP but I couldn't tell why proto level length was necessary. When I use my scout suit I do not cloak so I have no personal experience to add too much judgement on durations. Though I can see why individuals are not happy with the nerf. They now have to fit a higher end cloak that will consume more cpu/pg on their builds, which is just fine with me. One of the prices one must pay to play with toys.
I am happy to see that CCP is looking at time delay between De-cloak and weapon fire as this "animation glitch" is rather game breaking and is cheap for easy kills.
Try fitting a minmatar pal. The suit doesn't have the slot number or CPU/PG to do so. It has the lowest base ehp as well. Tacnet is a huge crutch, and the element of surprise is a must. Visually, I die fairly easily by people who see me. Example, the other day I sat invisible as a tank was in front of me to try and survive. He had seen me move, and all he had to do was scan the area until his rectical turned red, which is exactly what he did. There are legitimate problems, with legitimate solutions. Unless coupled with other solutions, removing cloak dampening only hurts the scouts that are already hurting.
Minnie always has the lowest base ehp of all races. This is an inherent disadvantage when an individual specs into the race. You cannot use that as a valid argument.
Like I have already stated, I do not cloak. Because of this I do not use an item with a large cpu and pg consumption like the rest of you. My biggest consumption are links and primary.
Amarr Heavy_
Amarr Assault_
Caldari Scout
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Izlare Lenix
Arrogance. Dark Taboo
592
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:37:00 -
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This is another reason to hate on cloak glitch shotgun bitches.
Their abuse of the cloak glitch which allowed them to fire a volley while still cloaked was the only issue with cloaks and the main complaint players had with cloaks. Their lack of skill and abuse of an OP mechanic will now nerf all scouts.
And in CCP fashion they ignore the actual problem and use an over nerf as the solution. The dampening bonus removal on cloaks will now render all scouts next to useless except gal scouts as a cal scout can't scan them and the gal scout will be the only scout effectively able to get under pro focused scanners.
This will change the entire meta of Dust to mostly gal scouts, gal logis with focused scanners and HMG HEAVIES, HMG HEAVIES, HMG HEAVIES, and of course the standard tanker bitches and red line snipers.
Fuk all of you no talent cloak glitching shotgunning dbags. Your lack of skill has ruined it for all scouts.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
465
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:48:00 -
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So double nerf to cloaks, eh? *Claps* Once again, excellent work, CCP. Clearly, your reactive policing of Dust will fix everything.
Eh... looks like my Min scout is going to get just a bit more outclassed. Maybe I should just spec into the Caldari scout... Nah.
Anyways, thanks for all the info, guys. CCP might once again be taking the easiest route to try and "fix" things, but it's nice to know ahead of time. Back to speed tanking, I guess. ... now if only Aim Assist would get nerfed...
Nova Knives are magic~
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
748
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Posted - 2014.05.24 02:48:00 -
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It hasn't been done yet, hopefully they will see that they exacerbate the problem with the fix they are proposing. Whether TacNet is a crutch or not (I didn't see much complaining about it before), it is a piwerful tool and allowing one suit, and only one suit to avoid it makes for complete imbalance. Making the entire class able to avoid it though also leads to imbalance. You can argue that this should be a scouts ability but if that is so, what do you take away from them to compensate?
Scouts were given two equipment slots, the ability to tank, cloaking and kept their speed. Something has to go.
Because, that's why.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance
1929
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:08:00 -
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absolutely stupid changes to solve no problems and create giant new ones.
But everyone predicted this given the special people they left in charge.... Might aswell left wolfman in charge again. |
Ahkhomi Cypher
Team Bad Decisions
52
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:46:00 -
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I hate you CCP |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2539
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Posted - 2014.05.24 03:58:00 -
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All of you who are complaining are making it seem as if the cloak is the defining aspect of the Scout role.
As stated earlier, the cloak is merely supplementary to what the Scout is already capable of. It's a tool meant to assist the player: not sometthing to be relied upon. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens Final Resolution.
296
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Posted - 2014.05.24 04:20:00 -
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Why not use a dampener instead of relying on the cloak? 2 damps and you can hide fron that cal scout unless it has 2 precision enhancers. In which case the suit has alot less ehp. Just adapt. Use scanners, cal scout has to have 2 damps to avoid a proto focused scanner. |
Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2014.05.24 04:46:00 -
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there is more than that
*increased delay to shooting out of cloak * almost no dampening bonus * shorten duration by a lot * gal scout lost its dampening bonus * gal scout losing its reps * cal scout losing its scanning range
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Harpyja
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1756
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Posted - 2014.05.24 04:50:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Crimson ShieId wrote:I keep noticing people talking about a scout nerf and I'm curious as to what's going on. I caught something on a hotfix note from a dev earlier but can't remember anything about the scouts and was wondering if something else is planned or has been implemented into the game. Knowing my luck, they probably nerfed the Minmatar scout's PG and left the Gal and Cal scouts alone... cloaks being over nerfed. Now you'll see slow moving scouts sitting on triage hives with 700 armor more often. Cloaks lose their duration and it is awful. Though still, it's a bit silly when you can cover a very large open area while being fully cloaked all the way.
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
179
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Posted - 2014.05.24 05:00:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Yep the cloak nerf, though I hope they change their mind because cloaks don't need to be tampered with at all. For once, I want them to not change something because people don't want to take the time to find a way to beat something within the Dust universe. It is a visual cloak, and therefore should never have affected the audio profile to begin with
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
14
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Posted - 2014.05.24 05:03:00 -
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I think that removing the dampening bonus of the cloak is fine as you can still have dampening by leveling up the skill in the drop suit upgrades and also equipping profile dampeners. I'm not so sure about reducing the cloak duration. The 15 seconds for the basic cloak seems laughable to me. Then again it does promote buying a higher tier one. I for one only got the basic one since 30 is plenty. 15 seconds is too little so why not split the difference and set it to 22 secondsor 20 seconds. |
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