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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 796	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:03:00 - [1] - Quote We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4459	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:04:00 - [2] - Quote There is such a thing called adult babies, ya know. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15096	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:09:00 - [3] - Quote Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 1950	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:42:00 - [4] - Quote we all have a choice to make now. dust is now more or less a finished product and we have to ask ourselves is it good enough? while it certainly falls short of expectations, what we have is what we have and we all need to decide if it's good enough to continue playing. it's perfectly valid for any player to say that the product doesn't align with their idea of what it should have and that they can't justify further time investment in the game. as we all come to the understanding that what the vast majority of us came for isn't going to be delivered there is going to be some gloom, some doom, some anger, and some tough good byes. building a game around a meta game is a sword that cuts both ways. my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 723	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:47:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? I dont think its so much doom and gloom but more like reality. They have made announcements that there will be no client side updates. So that means no new gear at all. Dust is now going to be in a strictly bug fix and balance mode. Of the bug fixes and balances they have not been able to give any sort of date at all as to when they will address issues that they have known about for months now. So in all honesty to me that means they probably have 1 programmer working part time on fixing issues with dust. Which basically means they dont give a dam any more and as soon as it is inconvenient or there is a attack on the server that is too much of a bother to fix the server will go offline for good. I am guessing you simply haven't heard the news yet about the lack of effort ccp is putting into dust. The new CCP guy is just a PR thing to try keeping players from jumping ship so they can collect information from dust to use in legion. If CCP still gave a dam about dust i would expect to see some actual DATES on when known long standing issues in dust would be patched. You might consider this pessimistic and i would understand why you think that. I think of it as being realistic. CCP does not give me any real reason to be optimistic. A new member of CCP to work on dust means nothing to me unless they also announce that they are gearing up to also release content and such.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1021	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:49:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? Because the veterans call tell when CCP are blowing smoke out of their ass. They brought in a guy who is a favorite among dusters because he was basically one of us, just to tell us Dust is still heading in the same exact direction they've told us after fanfest. Then they start saying "we listen to you guys, tell us what you would like to be balanced", when month after month we've been talking about the glaring issues that plague the game after each new patch, giving our input on what can be done to fix it. And then having the nerve to have this guy tell us to continue to buy boosters because now they "care about us and will listen to better the game". I don't care how hot the chick in the swimsuit is, I'm not buying that ugly old car with a ****** paint job.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1254	Posted - 2014.05.19 02:59:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. Agreed. I'm going to see what legion has to offer (if my computer can run it) and if I can use something other than a mouse and keyboard to fly my dropship I'll keep playing. The way this was handled was bad, and CCP knows it. They should understand that unless some of the original demands are met eg racial parity or more personally a flight speed indicator and altimeter I won't be giving anymore money to the legion project until such a time they show progress. I would really like devs to be more open about the development to avoid debacles like FF2014. These players that attack devs make that harder and harder.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1568	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:04:00 - [8] - Quote We have gone over this before, but here it is again. However "fun" this game might get in the future does not negate what happened. I played through all the rage and frustration this game caused and spent many an hour discussing solutions on the forums, not because of what the game currently was, but because of what I thought it could be, and for wanting to be a part of it for the long haul. I was led by CCP to believe they were committed for the long term on a console, and that these growing pains were part of the process of creating something better, on a Sony console. I made a commitment to CCP because I wanted to be part of where I thought the game was headed. It is obvious now, that I and many others were misled, and that my commitment to Dust has essentially been fruitless. Whatever spiritual successor Legion may be, it is not Dust. I understand their reasoning, and it may even be the best business decision, however their handling of the situation has been ham handed at best. Now, the underlying reason for playing this game (besides the scout community) is no longer valid. Likewise, they have not even made a commitment to Legion on the PC. Even if they did, I have no more reason to believe they would honor our efforts to make Legion the best it could be than they did with our efforts towards Dust. I see no reason to invest more time, and certainly not money into a gaming PC, into a game made by a company that is willing to callously disregard such a dedicated fan base. And I will not allow myself to get my hopes up that they will somehow make Dust more "fun." "I've made a huge mistake." -G.O.B. Bluth
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1086	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:08:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. Hmmm. Some of us feel the need to represent reality. CCP and the CPM are not to be trusted, and that perspective should be represented. Somebody should at least point out that in spite of the false optimism coming out of you and CCP, there has been no planning for Dust for the last months. The resources diverted to Legion have made sure that Dust cannot even hope to be a decent FPS. A backwater game is now going to get the lesser labours and that would surprise no one. Of course, I consider it a public service to inform people of the trajectory of this project before the foolishly give CCP money. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 628	Posted - 2014.05.19 03:27:00 - [10] - Quote im one of the unhappy guys. though i feel no need to attack anyone dev or player. the lack of any content coming that ive been waiting for has killed my urge to play. just cant seem to even want to try and play. oh well.

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 187	Posted - 2014.05.19 04:11:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: There is such a thing called adult babies, ya know. Yeah, babies who watched Fanfest. DUST is dead OP. No amount of chump change will change that. No reason to put on rose tinted glasses just because a few tweaks are made to the items. In two years the jig's up and no real guarantee to keep the characters and assets. You can't really play a game with any more enthusiasm than for a year or so of cheap thrills. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 726	Posted - 2014.05.19 04:32:00 - [12] - Quote The funny part to me is how so many dust people are saying o keep investing in dust so that you will be rewarded in legion. there are some problems with that. 1: We have no idea IF legion will ever be released or even hit open beta. 2: CCP has said they will try to bring charecters over. They have not said they WILL they have said they will try. To many people this seems like the same thing but there is a very important difference. The difference is that basically they have not commited to being able to merge characters from dust into legion. Myself i am rather curious as to how CCP would even go about doing this. Right now authentication is handled primarily by Sony on the PSN. Legion is coming out on the PC so there would have to be some sort of link between CCP and sony to authenticate you from dust at least once to create the character on legion and transfer things over. With how early a stage legion is in i doubt ccp has put any thought into this.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 584	Posted - 2014.05.19 04:36:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. And then we got IWS the white knight fanboi who follows CCP no matter what **** they will pull. Its kind of pathetic bro
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10245	Posted - 2014.05.19 04:54:00 - [14] - Quote When they provide me the Amarr HAV I have spent the past 12 months waiting for........ Markdown:
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property 1236	Posted - 2014.05.19 05:12:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: When they provide me the Amarr HAV I have spent the past 12 months waiting for........ or Amarr ANYTHING really besides suits we have only 3 weapons and 1 equipment. 0 sockets 0 vehicles 0 nades. Amarr has the least content of ANY of the races. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.05.19 05:31:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. In all fairness and honesty, this is a GAMING COMMUNITY! Hey guess what, I play chess too and there are rules for civility but you're also asking the same thing of this We call others "noobs", we endorse the "you got raped' adage, we even do the the whole "squat/kneel to look like your raping a player when you killed them". I mean really, what did you really expect? Gamers can be reasoned with and befriended but trust is a huge issue for us and once its breached it takes ALOT to regain it. You can ask Sony how much they had to followup after the Anon hacks on their end how much they did a corporate shake-down to get back in a great position. And if you ask any of the console players here they were expecting ALOT back and they delivered at least within expectation and kept delivering to eventually overcome that gap. You think WE'RE rough, Sony had it far worse and took it as a big critique overall of a lot that they do. You can say that the "black knights" like me are horrible, mean people but that's the community you're involved in. You'll find philosophy books from courses I taught in college and even a few oddities like graphic novels from Walking Dead, Maus and the like on my bookshelf. But once a lot of us hits the game community, we become iconic symbols of douchebaggery. That's how it is and some of us and I'd say myself included, have been much more honest and logical in critiquing CCP; it's a bad move they did at Fanfest and I do feel a company has a general responsibility of not tripping over their own foot while walking down a staircase and they did just that. It all really begins with that honest self-evaluation of whether they started this right since day 1 and Fan Fest and if the answer is no, then you really have a glimpse of why gamers are up in arms about it. Remember that video CEO pyrex made commented how we do take part of and celebrate the protostomping quite a bit? That's the community you're trying to talk to and if you get that much, then your expectations should really align with that as well. You can call me an @sshole for pointing that out but it's not like it's a far gem from the truth. I'm pretty sure if you sat down with any of these "black knights" in person we'd probably be really civil but on the forums, civility be damned!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2520	Posted - 2014.05.19 05:44:00 - [17] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? I am playing dust because I have some fun playing it, I don't delude myself that it is in anything but a downward spiral though. the new dev is a non factor until he proves to actually do something. the dev we thought that would save dust created legion and abandoned dust.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2799	Posted - 2014.05.19 05:48:00 - [18] - Quote All hope of playing Dust was lost. Then came CCP Rattati, raiser of the dead. He is our saviour. xD This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2588	Posted - 2014.05.19 06:57:00 - [19] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: we all have a choice to make now. dust is now more or less a finished product and we have to ask ourselves is it good enough? while it certainly falls short of expectations, what we have is what we have and we all need to decide if it's good enough to continue playing. it's perfectly valid for any player to say that the product doesn't align with their idea of what it should have and that they can't justify further time investment in the game. as we all come to the understanding that what the vast majority of us came for isn't going to be delivered there is going to be some gloom, some doom, some anger, and some tough good byes. building a game around a meta game is a sword that cuts both ways. I do think Dust 514 has succeeded one a very specific aspect that all other FPSs have failed in. Dust 514 is currently the first and only FPS game in history to make the player feel like they are the actual character in an actual world, no other fps game has ever given us a taste of an immense world. Closed Beta Vet. Playstation 4 or nothing CCP. Only the strongest can do good and the weakest do evil. - Void Echo
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1891	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:31:00 - [20] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? He's not technically new he was here for the closed beta. And while he might be willing, he's been very clear that he's not able to do much, especially without any client updates. The reality is Dust is doomed, and that's kind of gloomy, but the world is like that sometimes. No player market, no Minmatar LAVs or tanks or jets, no large battles, no meaningful connection to EVE; No reason to to stick around. I NEVER EVEN GOT MY MINMATAR NOVA KNIFE. People find this this review helpful!

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2299	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:40:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to ~~next-gen~~ PC. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. There, fixed. Also, who Rattati is exactly ? Coz i didnt waste any time reading anything about it Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15098	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:49:00 - [22] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to ~~next-gen~~ PC. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. There, fixed. Also, who Rattati is exactly ? Coz i didnt waste any time reading anything about it CCP Rattati; upper management shipped out from iceland; Dust 514 custodian now; enjoys doing things CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie style and your correction is far to premature to even consider. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2299	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:59:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to ~~next-gen~~ PC. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. There, fixed. Also, who Rattati is exactly ? Coz i didnt waste any time reading anything about it and your correction is far to premature to even consider. Is it really ? AFAIK, and this aint no CPM remains of knowledge, we're going for PC. And "next gen" as in "next gen consoles" is really not even discussed. Or did i red the past dev intels wrong. I dont think so. So, correction is fair enough. Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2123	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:09:00 - [24] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Is it really ? AFAIK, and this aint no CPM remains of knowledge, we're going for PC. And "next gen" as in "next gen consoles" is really not even discussed. Or did i red the past dev intels wrong. I dont think so. So, correction is fair enough. You are correct indeed and IWS is just talking bs as usual. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 552	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:11:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start. Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT. SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................ DESTINY
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15100	Posted - 2014.05.19 08:53:00 - [26] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start. Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT. SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................ Not my position to promise anything. Promising never or will are two things I am simply not in that nature to do so. For me to say that Legion will never go to PS4 can turn out to be a flat out lie as saying legion will be going to ps4 will be just as much as of a lie. Both are lies and neither truths; safer to say things that are more encompassing and accommodating. The term next gen is most correct in this case for now all we know is only exclusive to the PC itself but the door will not remain shut. Even then the possibility of Legion getting red lit is still there so that could just flush quite a few plans down the chute. Cazderon brought up a good point in another thread as to why even Planetside 2 doesnt have the balls to cross play between their versions. Though i am sure if we could poke SOE brains a bit we can find out from them. Digital Extremes' Warframe is attempting cross play their largest issue is synchronous versions. Currently the PS4 version is about a month to a week behind. However unlike PS2 the disparity between PC available controllers and expected PS4 controllers are nearly non issue in warframe where they would pose a significant issue in any real shooter such as BF, CoD, PS2, and Legion. Also if you really want to know where your money is going by icelandic law there is that finances report floating about. Another sad truth of the industry that majority of a game's cost never goes back into the game. Take your typical EA game; 12$ of every brand new 60$ EA game goes into games that never see launch day or press day even. EA cancels quite a few games they're not happy with or feel they will not meet ROI goals, large portion goes back into the advertising, finally the last bit goes into paying the original game development investment back and securing the next cash cow being crafted. SOE for example does NOT spend the entire subscription from ps2 back into planetside 2 instead it goes to other games and entirely unrelated developments usually. I mean where does the money for everquest next comes from? Its the nature of the business to keep funded regardless. Failure to go above break even means you're stuck with a dying mmo company on the simple grounds that you have no money to fund the next game. Also if you really want a good backstab story; go read tiny co's apology for spellstorm's sudden cancellation of an event after the event was supposed to start that many people spent lots of pay to win money preparing ahead for; and all the extra new-ish things they promised to do has yet to materialize and this was some months ago. At least here we have a newly assigned developer he's highly involved with the community and the CPM to the point I have to get some real CPM work done tomorrow before he starts cracking the whip around the place. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2299	Posted - 2014.05.19 09:21:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start. Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT. SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................ Not my position to promise anything. Promising never or will are two things I am simply not in that nature to do so. For me to say that Legion will never go to PS4 can turn out to be a flat out lie as saying legion will be going to ps4 will be just as much as of a lie. Both are lies and neither truths; safer to say things that are more encompassing and accommodating. The term next gen is most correct in this case for now all we know is only exclusive to the PC itself but the door will not remain shut. Even then the possibility of Legion getting red lit is still there so that could just flush quite a few plans down the chute. Cazderon brought up a good point in another thread as to why even Planetside 2 doesnt have the balls to cross play between their versions. Though i am sure if we could poke SOE brains a bit we can find out from them. Digital Extremes' Warframe is attempting cross play their largest issue is synchronous versions. Currently the PS4 version is about a month to a week behind. However unlike PS2 the disparity between PC available controllers and expected PS4 controllers are nearly non issue in warframe where they would pose a significant issue in any real shooter such as BF, CoD, PS2, and Legion. Also if you really want to know where your money is going by icelandic law there is that finances report floating about. Another sad truth of the industry that majority of a game's revenue never goes back into the game. Take your typical EA game; 12$ of every brand new 60$ EA game goes into games that never see launch day or press day even. EA cancels quite a few games they're not happy with or feel they will not meet ROI goals, large portion goes back into the advertising, finally the last bit goes into paying the original game development investment back and securing the next cash cow being crafted. SOE for example does NOT spend the entire subscription from ps2 back into planetside 2 instead it goes to other games and entirely unrelated developments usually. I mean where does the money for everquest next comes from? Its the nature of the business to keep funded regardless. Failure to go above break even means you're stuck with a dying mmo company on the simple grounds that you have no money to fund the next game. Also if you really want a good backstab story; go read tiny co's apology for spellstorm's sudden cancellation of an event after the event was supposed to start that many people spent lots of pay to win money preparing ahead for; and all the extra new-ish things they promised to do has yet to materialize and this was some months ago. At least here we have a newly assigned developer he's highly involved with the community and the CPM to the point I have to get some real CPM work done tomorrow before he starts cracking the whip around the place. FPS cross gaming between PC and console isnt a matter of having the balls to do it. It's imo, just not possible to balance. That's a fact really hard to overcome. So if a single shard MMOFPS starts launches on PC, odds to see it someday go to console ar as thin as the remaining ozone layer. That's no troll nor anger or bitterness talking. That's a simple, reasonable and very likely scenario. As for the "'where did all the money go ?" part, that's really not the players issue..... It's been said many times that the main blame players have regarding CCP is the long period of keeping them in the dark while still selling\promoting items that may or may not have been bought by said players if they had know about legion and near future. Transparency and all that. The fact that money earned by a game isnt necessarily spend again on developing that same game is obvious and well known. The fact that Dust probably didnt generate enough money (no actual knowledge here, just sayin) to compensate the cost of past development, maintenance and\or future development is also known by most of the community as PCU was common knowledge for every player. And some never hesitated in buying stuff as a way to support CCP regarding those probable difficulties. Which makes the previous part even more painfull. So no point in trying to compare this situation with another. Or finding worse somewhere as that doesnt change nor excuse, nor makes it any easier for anyone Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 1953	Posted - 2014.05.19 12:49:00 - [28] - Quote Void Echo wrote: knight of 6 wrote: we all have a choice to make now. dust is now more or less a finished product and we have to ask ourselves is it good enough? while it certainly falls short of expectations, what we have is what we have and we all need to decide if it's good enough to continue playing. it's perfectly valid for any player to say that the product doesn't align with their idea of what it should have and that they can't justify further time investment in the game. as we all come to the understanding that what the vast majority of us came for isn't going to be delivered there is going to be some gloom, some doom, some anger, and some tough good byes. building a game around a meta game is a sword that cuts both ways. I do think Dust 514 has succeeded one a very specific aspect that all other FPSs have failed in. Dust 514 is currently the first and only FPS game in history to make the player feel like they are the actual character in an actual world, no other fps game has ever given us a taste of an immense world. I agree completely. dust has a relatively small community and because of that we actually got to know each others names. TBH there were times I hoped that the community would never grow so that I'd never get the COD sensation of never being in a match with the same people twice. my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!! Ko6, scout
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 50	Posted - 2014.05.19 12:56:00 - [29] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start. Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT. SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................ Not my position to promise anything. Promising never or will are two things I am simply not in that nature to do so. For me to say that Legion will never go to PS4 can turn out to be a flat out lie as saying legion will be going to ps4 will be just as much as of a lie. Both are lies and neither truths; safer to say things that are more encompassing and accommodating. The term next gen is most correct in this case for now all we know is only exclusive to the PC itself but the door will not remain shut. Even then the possibility of Legion getting red lit is still there so that could just flush quite a few plans down the chute. Cazderon brought up a good point in another thread as to why even Planetside 2 doesnt have the balls to cross play between their versions. Though i am sure if we could poke SOE brains a bit we can find out from them. Digital Extremes' Warframe is attempting cross play their largest issue is synchronous versions. Currently the PS4 version is about a month to a week behind. However unlike PS2 the disparity between PC available controllers and expected PS4 controllers are nearly non issue in warframe where they would pose a significant issue in any real shooter such as BF, CoD, PS2, and Legion. Also if you really want to know where your money is going by icelandic law there is that finances report floating about. Another sad truth of the industry that majority of a game's revenue never goes back into the game. Take your typical EA game; 12$ of every brand new 60$ EA game goes into games that never see launch day or press day even. EA cancels quite a few games they're not happy with or feel they will not meet ROI goals, large portion goes back into the advertising, finally the last bit goes into paying the original game development investment back and securing the next cash cow being crafted. SOE for example does NOT spend the entire subscription from ps2 back into planetside 2 instead it goes to other games and entirely unrelated developments usually. I mean where does the money for everquest next comes from? Its the nature of the business to keep funded regardless. Failure to go above break even means you're stuck with a dying mmo company on the simple grounds that you have no money to fund the next game. Also if you really want a good backstab story; go read tiny co's apology for spellstorm's sudden cancellation of an event after the event was supposed to start that many people spent lots of pay to win money preparing ahead for; and all the extra new-ish things they promised to do has yet to materialize and this was some months ago. At least here we have a newly assigned developer he's highly involved with the community and the CPM to the point I have to get some real CPM work done tomorrow before he starts cracking the whip around the place. FPS cross gaming between PC and console isnt a matter of having the balls to do it. It's imo, just not possible to balance. That's a fact really hard to overcome. So if a single shard MMOFPS starts launches on PC, odds to see it someday go to console ar as thin as the remaining ozone layer. That's no troll nor anger or bitterness talking. That's a simple, reasonable and very likely scenario. As for the "'where did all the money go ?" part, that's really not the players issue..... It's been said many times that the main blame players have regarding CCP is the long period of keeping them in the dark while still selling\promoting items that may or may not have been bought by said players if they had know about legion and near future. Transparency and all that. The fact that money earned by a game isnt necessarily spend again on developing that same game is obvious and well known. The fact that Dust probably didnt generate enough money (no actual knowledge here, just sayin) to compensate the cost of past development, maintenance and\or future development is also known by most of the community as PCU was common knowledge for every player. And some never hesitated in buying stuff as a way to support CCP regarding those probable difficulties. Which makes the previous part even more painfull. So no point in trying to compare this situation with another. Or finding worse somewhere as that doesnt change nor excuse, nor makes it any easier for anyone This guy truly represent me. ^
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3339	Posted - 2014.05.19 14:25:00 - [30] - Quote I'll believe that Rattati is actually going to accomplish something when he does. Until then, negativity it is. For now all I see is him collecting ideas. He's going about it a good way, but that means nothing considering he has a skeleton crew and in all likelihood will be able to do very little. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski

End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.05.19 14:41:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. Reaching out? More like a reach around. You know, like a tease. DUST is dead! There is NO SAVING IT! One bad apple spoiled the bunch. FANFEST KILLED DUST! If legion was SOOOOOOO far off, why announce it NOW? Nail in the coffin, that's why. Legion will fail just like Dust has. ALL GREAT games take around 5 years to develop. Keep feeding your lies. The noobs will lap them right up. One whole dev to save dust...........ROTFLMAO
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 916	Posted - 2014.05.19 16:47:00 - [32] - Quote 1. DUST is dying. Unfortunately. It served its purpose, getting CCP up to speed on FPS design, balance, planetary conquest, economics, limited EVE integration, server load and map design. It also gave them insights into what the players want in the game by generating forum feedback. It was a free game so we helped with all these things. We helped them gather this data. Now it is time to kick things up a notch. CCP putting more resources into DUST will be throwing money and effort into the garbage. We might get balance tweaks but I doubt we get any more expansions, suits, equipment, vehicles or maps. If Valkyrie is free and on PS, watch out. It will run until they get similar data then be ported to PC also. 2. Legion will be on PC. There are design advantages to PC that aren't available on consoles. CCP can be more nimble with updates and tweaks. They will have test servers. 3. Legion will be on PC. It will almost certainly help with integration with the rest of the EVE universe. 4. All of CCPs successful games are set in the future and charge a subscription fee. Porting the game to PC allows them to charge a monthly subscription and not share it with Sony. I very much doubt that they will allow it to be free and integrate with EVE (which requires a subscription fee). Mark my words: you will eventually be paying a monthly subscription fee for Legion and Valkyrie (or whatever comes after Valkyrie). 5. People put a butt-load of effort and real-world cash into grinding SP in DUST. CCP is not sure how much SP, equipment, skills, AUR, ISK, weapons and suits will be transferrable. This is in some ways understandable because it sounds like there will be a fairly hefty expansion to skill trees and weapons might become moddable. Types of suit and vehicle slots might be moddable. But why should we grind more if we are not sure what will transfer? Right now I still play the game because it is entertaining and I will continue to do so until it is no longer fun or the plug is pulled. But I'm not buying anything with real money. 6. The way they announced the change was surprising, brisk and cheesy. They had been working on Legion for several months and they already have a workable version - which they showed off at Fan Fest. 7. They pushed AUR sales just before the announcement that Legion was going to be the future of ground combat in the EVE universe. That was so flipping greedy and cynical. Munch Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 429	Posted - 2014.05.19 17:28:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start. Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT. SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................ Not my position to promise anything. Promising never or will are two things I am simply not in that nature to do so. For me to say that Legion will never go to PS4 can turn out to be a flat out lie as saying legion will be going to ps4 will be just as much as of a lie. Both are lies and neither truths; safer to say things that are more encompassing and accommodating. The term next gen is most correct in this case for now all we know is only exclusive to the PC itself but the door will not remain shut. Even then the possibility of Legion getting red lit is still there so that could just flush quite a few plans down the chute. Cazderon brought up a good point in another thread as to why even Planetside 2 doesnt have the balls to cross play between their versions. Though i am sure if we could poke SOE brains a bit we can find out from them. Digital Extremes' Warframe is attempting cross play their largest issue is synchronous versions. Currently the PS4 version is about a month to a week behind. However unlike PS2 the disparity between PC available controllers and expected PS4 controllers are nearly non issue in warframe where they would pose a significant issue in any real shooter such as BF, CoD, PS2, and Legion. Also if you really want to know where your money is going by icelandic law there is that finances report floating about. Another sad truth of the industry that majority of a game's revenue never goes back into the game. Take your typical EA game; 12$ of every brand new 60$ EA game goes into games that never see launch day or press day even. EA cancels quite a few games they're not happy with or feel they will not meet ROI goals, large portion goes back into the advertising, finally the last bit goes into paying the original game development investment back and securing the next cash cow being crafted. SOE for example does NOT spend the entire subscription from ps2 back into planetside 2 instead it goes to other games and entirely unrelated developments usually. I mean where does the money for everquest next comes from? Its the nature of the business to keep funded regardless. Failure to go above break even means you're stuck with a dying mmo company on the simple grounds that you have no money to fund the next game. Also if you really want a good backstab story; go read tiny co's apology for spellstorm's sudden cancellation of an event after the event was supposed to start that many people spent lots of pay to win money preparing ahead for; and all the extra new-ish things they promised to do has yet to materialize and this was some months ago. At least here we have a newly assigned developer he's highly involved with the community and the CPM to the point I have to get some real CPM work done tomorrow before he starts cracking the whip around the place. Seriously IWS, this is why ppl have a go at you. You singularly fail to address the specific point raised, and then proceed to bang on about several unrelated points. It doesn't matter one iota what other companies have done or anything else. It's completely irrelevant to someone asking why they have been shafted and getting zero acknowledgement. The shaft, if I may paraphrase, before you launch into "nobody said the money you pay for DUST gets invested into DUST", is where we fronted real money for what we thought was an investment into a long-term life cycle on a platform we would own. And it's not just the money, it's the time, the effort to post in forums, to participate in the community, to give feedback and come up with new ideas. Nobody would've complained when a plan to put DUST on PS4 and an end date for DUST on PS3 was announced and some decided they weren't gonna save up for a PS4. What you've basically done is stop DUST dev altogether. The fact that you knew this was happening months and months ago, and that not only was DUST dev stopping, but new work on a new product was beginning on a completely different platform, is why some people are so upset. For goodness sake acknowledge this. You're just trolling with this sort of response. John Demonsbane wrote: I'll believe that Rattati is actually going to accomplish something when he does. Until then, negativity it is. For now all I see is him collecting ideas. He's going about it a good way, but that means nothing considering he has a skeleton crew and in all likelihood will be able to do very little. looks at reams of forum feedback, spreadsheets, data crunching websites, and videos, collected across 18 months You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15111	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:36:00 - [34] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Seriously IWS, this is why ppl have a go at you. You singularly fail to address the specific point raised, and then proceed to bang on about several unrelated points. It doesn't matter one iota what other companies have done or anything else. It's completely irrelevant to someone asking why they have been shafted and getting zero acknowledgement. The shaft, if I may paraphrase, before you launch into "nobody said the money you pay for DUST gets invested into DUST", is where we fronted real money for what we thought was an investment into a long-term life cycle on a platform we would own. And it's not just the money, it's the time, the effort to post in forums, to participate in the community, to give feedback and come up with new ideas. Nobody would've complained when a plan to put DUST on PS4 and an end date for DUST on PS3 was announced and some decided they weren't gonna save up for a PS4. What you've basically done is stop DUST dev altogether. The fact that you knew this was happening months and months ago, and that not only was DUST dev stopping, but new work on a new product was beginning on a completely different platform, is why some people are so upset. For goodness sake acknowledge this. You're just trolling with this sort of response. I am CPM; no matter what I say I will draw ire regardless because there are people who see me for what they assumed I done which unfortunately the NDA prevents you from seeing the other amounts of work I do. Most of this is because people do not understand the CPM function still to this day nor will they ever acknowledge the given explanations. If they cannot get past the simple concept between representative and representation and which one of those applies to the CPM then there is nothing they can learn. For example people honestly believe that I report to CCP saying the forums are fine and the community is taking Legion announcement in strides. My emotions then turn into a hodgepodge of ire; delight; and few other misharmonic melodies every time this is brought up. Your second paragraph is moot; replace all instances or references to Dust with another software or hardware platform. In the end it doesn't fix an amarr damned thing. It happened? Yes. Now what? and this is part where I get most annoyed; repeating that second paragraph is not a proper answer for moving forward. No amount of pointing to the point in failure is going to fix the current issue. Fixing any problem requires acknowledgement and iteration. Not acknowledgment and infinite repetition. CCP Knows they screwed up and admitted it to the player base and is making amends as they plan out how to handle everything and gather answers for the coming months. The bunch of 'I don't knows' is FAR better and rather refreshing for once than CCP in 2013 who said mostly said "This is coming Soon(tm)" Additionally another problem the community majority has is seemingly a lack of awareness of a time line; press releases; and development of the company as well. Many have to placed the notice of the change in leadership and direction beneath them. The first warning should have been the end of the monthly updates something I made crap ton of noise over citing it the end of the previous roadmap. There was other warnings too; I mean just now someone noticed in GD that CCP Foxfour has been gone, and this is months old news; and people have been making notes of other notable developers no longer with the Dust 514 team and the large number of job positioning openings. Then when the lack of monthly updates did start. Because of the lack of awareness in timing the community through self reinforcement of each other's confirmation bias articulate a fantastic story so let's shed light on one of the statements being commonly trouted today. "Laser Focused" The article citing laser focus on the ps3 was back around mid october 2013; https://www.psu.com/a021393/DUST-514-designer-cites-absolutely-fabulous-relationship-with-Sony-discusses-future-of-DUST-and-EVE-Online when Dust 514 still didn't have an EP installed let alone in Shanghai at the time. A senior producer was leading the charge on development was using the month to month cycle to stymie the mortal wound of Uprising 1.0 in the absence of an EP, it was the best they could do but without proper leadership and leadership skills at the workplace the development was a mess. Work on Legion or even the mere idea of Legion existing was in nobody's at CCP's mind at the time and wouldn't for another season. So the term 'laser focus' was as accurate as you could have gotten that day. Asking that man to guess the future of what would probably be in may 2014's fanfest would have; he would have likely repeated things similar 2013's fan fest promises with maybe more defined art who knows maybe an MTAC art if a new EP was not brought in to fix the game at all and another year of broken promises and more likely an entire CPM that would have quit because the CPM would seen no reason for the institution in the first place. People seemed to quickly forget the CPM was fighting for the right for the CPM to be a legitimate and useful organization since uprising 1.0; and back in october the CPM for most part was still rather relatively helpless and powerless to do anything significant. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101452 And that there is laser focused for you. Shortly after this article is when CCP Rogue came in with a proverbial wrecking ball to the game, the studio, the community, and direction the eve online shooter will go and that wrecking ball is still swinging to this day. Changes are still coming and they are all so freakishly scary. CCP Shanghai 2014 is not going to be anything like 2013's at all. Yes it is going to hurt for Dust 514; but just a quick look at results so far. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 42	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:39:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. did he say next-gen if wishes were tank seats then blueberries would ride
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 42	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:47:00 - [36] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start. Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT. SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................ You do realize they are one of the real model corporations like we play in this game Im gonna go spend fifty more on this game tonight so the bluetags of dust will have a paycheck if wishes were tank seats then blueberries would ride
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3349	Posted - 2014.05.19 19:50:00 - [37] - Quote Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2446	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:00:00 - [38] - Quote This was quite the entertaining thread. Thank you, Mr. Fat Bastard. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Warbot Titan X Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 67	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:06:00 - [39] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: We have gone over this before, but here it is again. However "fun" this game might get in the future does not negate what happened. I played through all the rage and frustration this game caused and spent many an hour discussing solutions on the forums, not because of what the game currently was, but because of what I thought it could be, and for wanting to be a part of it for the long haul. I was led by CCP to believe they were committed for the long term on a console, and that these growing pains were part of the process of creating something better, on a Sony console. I made a commitment to CCP because I wanted to be part of where I thought the game was headed. It is obvious now, that I and many others were misled, and that my commitment to Dust has essentially been fruitless. Whatever spiritual successor Legion may be, it is not Dust. I understand their reasoning, and it may even be the best business decision, however their handling of the situation has been ham handed at best. Now, the underlying reason for playing this game (besides the scout community) is no longer valid. Likewise, they have not even made a commitment to Legion on the PC. Even if they did, I have no more reason to believe they would honor our efforts to make Legion the best it could be than they did with our efforts towards Dust. I see no reason to invest more time, and certainly not money into a gaming PC, into a game made by a company that is willing to callously disregard such a dedicated fan base. And I will not allow myself to get my hopes up that they will somehow make Dust more "fun." Well said. My scout trousers commands me!
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 244	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:17:00 - [40] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? Corp levels and alliance levels at all time low. Been playing for Two years and its getting old(Same maps and sockets and Game modes) That's why I was looking forward to New Content at Fanfest and was disappointed with the communication on CCP behalf. People are really leaving ,I don't even feel the need to cap out anymore. I am staying because of the dust community.But everyday more of my friends are leaving and I don't have many friends left to stay for anymore. Dust Dev good luck sir ,I truly hope you can put the plug back in the boats bottom its was a nice ride while it lasted.

P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 735	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:22:00 - [41] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play. Why not stick around and see what happens? Corp levels and alliance levels at all time low. Been playing for Two years and its getting old(Same maps and sockets and Game modes) That's why I was looking forward to New Content at Fanfest and was disappointed with the communication on CCP behalf. People are really leaving ,I don't even feel the need to cap out anymore. I am staying because of the dust community.But everyday more of my friends are leaving and I don't have many friends left to stay for anymore. Dust Dev good luck sir ,I truly hope you can put the plug back in the boats bottom its was a nice ride while it lasted. Yup, I already left, haven't played or really even checked the forums since my ban on the day of fanfest. Shut down my EvE account yesterday, although I haven't played that in weeks either. I will not be playing Legion or Valkyrie. Fanfest was pretty much the last straw between me and CCP. I have been dumped on too many times to continue to support them with my money. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1100	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:28:00 - [42] - Quote Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3406	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:33:00 - [43] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: 1. DUST is dying. Unfortunately. It served its purpose, getting CCP up to speed on FPS design, balance, planetary conquest, economics, limited EVE integration, server load and map design. It also gave them insights into what the players want in the game by generating forum feedback. It was a free game so we helped with all these things. We helped them gather this data. Now it is time to kick things up a notch. CCP putting more resources into DUST will be throwing money and effort into the garbage. We might get balance tweaks but I doubt we get any more expansions, suits, equipment, vehicles or maps. If Valkyrie is free and on PS, watch out. It will run until they get similar data then be ported to PC also. 2. Legion will be on PC. There are design advantages to PC that aren't available on consoles. CCP can be more nimble with updates and tweaks. They will have test servers. 3. Legion will be on PC. It will almost certainly help with integration with the rest of the EVE universe. 4. All of CCPs successful games are set in the future and charge a subscription fee. Porting the game to PC allows them to charge a monthly subscription and not share it with Sony. I very much doubt that they will allow Legion to be free and integrate with EVE (which requires a subscription fee). Mark my words: you will eventually be paying a monthly subscription fee for Legion and Valkyrie (or whatever comes after Valkyrie). 5. People put a butt-load of effort and real-world cash into grinding SP in DUST. CCP is not sure how much SP, equipment, skills, AUR, ISK, vehicles, weapons and suits will be transferrable. This is in some ways understandable because it sounds like there will be a fairly hefty expansion to skill trees and weapons might become moddable. The types of suit and vehicle slots might be moddable. But why should we grind more if we are not sure what will transfer? Right now I still play the game because it is entertaining and I will continue to do so until it is no longer fun or the plug is pulled. But I'm not buying anything with real money. 6. The way they announced the change was surprising, brisk and cheesy. They had obviously been working on Legion for several months and they already have a workable version - which they showed off at Fan Fest. 7. They pushed AUR sales just before the announcement that Legion was going to be the future of ground combat in the EVE universe. That was so flipping greedy and cynical. 8. "Laser focus" means something different to CCP and the rest of us. Munch I'd like to see a montage of every post of your 'munch' ever Eve Legion FTW!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2137	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:38:00 - [44] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. I guess... because that makes much sense considering all the "major evolution of DUST", "still fully committed to DUST", "lots of things for DUST will be shown at FF" we've gotten over the past many months. IWS just stop posting or at least get a clue. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:39:00 - [45] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. And then we got IWS the white knight fanboi who follows CCP no matter what **** they will pull. Its kind of pathetic bro hey now, gotta get the free ticket to Iceland for FF
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2138	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:46:00 - [46] - Quote Seriously though, why are IWS not kicked off the CPM for an inability to professionally and diplomatically work with the community? Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15113	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:47:00 - [47] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15113	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:48:00 - [48] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. Thank you for the grossly inaccurate misquote and being part of the highly unreliable sources making this community fight itself. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:52:00 - [49] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: FPS cross gaming between PC and console isnt a matter of having the balls to do it. It's imo, just not possible to balance. That's a fact really hard to overcome. So if a single shard MMOFPS starts launches on PC, odds to see it someday go to console ar as thin as the remaining ozone layer. That's no troll nor anger or bitterness talking. That's a simple, reasonable and very likely scenario. As for the "'where did all the money go ?" part, that's really not the players issue..... It's been said many times that the main blame players have regarding CCP is the long period of keeping them in the dark while still selling\promoting items that may or may not have been bought by said players if they had know about legion and near future. Transparency and all that. The fact that money earned by a game isnt necessarily spend again on developing that same game is obvious and well known. The fact that Dust probably didnt generate enough money (no actual knowledge here, just sayin) to compensate the cost of past development, maintenance and\or future development is also known by most of the community as PCU was common knowledge for every player. And some never hesitated in buying stuff as a way to support CCP regarding those probable difficulties. Which makes the previous part even more painfull. So no point in trying to compare this situation with another. Or finding worse somewhere as that doesnt change nor excuse, nor makes it any easier for anyone yoooo...dropping some logic on CCPs #1 fanboy? Good luck with that... you probably wasted a few minutes of your life writing it towards him, but most of us here get it, and agree.
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2014.05.19 20:54:00 - [50] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. I guess... because that makes much sense considering all the "major evolution of DUST", "still fully committed to DUST", "lots of things for DUST will be shown at FF" we've gotten over the past many months. IWS just stop posting or at least get a clue. I don't know... maybe he figured "EXCITING DUST NEWS AT FF! STAY TUNED!" meant "DUST will be dead soon...so thank you for your money in the mean time."

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15116	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:10:00 - [51] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Seriously though, why are IWS not kicked off the CPM for an inability to professionally and diplomatically work with the community? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2157460#post2157460 Not very professional; not the Bendtner I knew. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132562#post2132562 Nor is this highly diplomatic. Very unlike the Bendtner I knew. Now if we take a look at the sources of these replies we see original posts where made highly professional and highly diplomatic. Which now begs the question why even bother to cater to those who just trash everything you say in the first place not showing an ounce of respect for the effort and information brought forth. It's been nearly two weeks; and staying mad and irate is excessively unproductive. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15116	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:13:00 - [52] - Quote AFK Godfather wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: FPS cross gaming between PC and console isnt a matter of having the balls to do it. It's imo, just not possible to balance. That's a fact really hard to overcome. So if a single shard MMOFPS starts launches on PC, odds to see it someday go to console ar as thin as the remaining ozone layer. That's no troll nor anger or bitterness talking. That's a simple, reasonable and very likely scenario. As for the "'where did all the money go ?" part, that's really not the players issue..... It's been said many times that the main blame players have regarding CCP is the long period of keeping them in the dark while still selling\promoting items that may or may not have been bought by said players if they had know about legion and near future. Transparency and all that. The fact that money earned by a game isnt necessarily spend again on developing that same game is obvious and well known. The fact that Dust probably didnt generate enough money (no actual knowledge here, just sayin) to compensate the cost of past development, maintenance and\or future development is also known by most of the community as PCU was common knowledge for every player. And some never hesitated in buying stuff as a way to support CCP regarding those probable difficulties. Which makes the previous part even more painfull. So no point in trying to compare this situation with another. Or finding worse somewhere as that doesnt change nor excuse, nor makes it any easier for anyone yoooo...dropping some logic on CCPs #1 fanboy? Good luck with that... you probably wasted a few minutes of your life writing it towards him, but most of us here get it, and agree. We must be reading in entirely wrong tones because he coincided with my statements before chastising the other examples thing which I know I am guilty of. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2138	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:22:00 - [53] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Seriously though, why are IWS not kicked off the CPM for an inability to professionally and diplomatically work with the community? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2157460#post2157460 Not very professional; not the Bendtner I knew. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132562#post2132562 Nor is this highly diplomatic. Very unlike the Bendtner I knew. Now if we take a look at the sources of these replies we see original posts where made highly professional and highly diplomatic. Which now begs the question why even bother to cater to those who just trash everything you say in the first place not showing an ounce of respect for the effort and information brought forth. It's been nearly two weeks; and staying mad and irate is excessively unproductive. UHHH, we've got a badass over here! Highly professional? The second link he didn't even answer the question he quoted. Nice try though. I'm not even mad, I'm sitting here laughing at guys like you. Edit: Besides, I'm calling Saberwing out because he's been lying and deceiving this playerbase and he doesn't seem to regret that or anything. Also stop pretending you "know" me, you don't. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3358	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:37:00 - [54] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 Sorry, my bad. He made FIVE pandering statements. I guess that's more than "a few." Otherwise exactly none of that is new information. Or remotely conciliatory. Or apologetic. Or in large part even answered the questions asked. I read every one of those messages before. If you actually think anything you linked is in any way an actual rebuttal or refutation of what I said, you either have some serious problems with reading comprehension or are a hopeless apologist, completely blinded by fanboydom and can't see those statements for what they really are. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2139	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:40:00 - [55] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, my bad. He made FIVE pandering statements. I guess that's more than "a few." Otherwise exactly none of that is new information. Or remotely conciliatory. Or apologetic. Or in large part even answered the questions asked. I read every one of those messages before. If you actually think anything you linked is in any way an actual rebuttal or refutation of what I said, you either have some serious problems with reading comprehension or are a hopeless apologist, completely blinded by fanboydom and can't see those statements for what they really are. Yep, that's IWS for you. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 735	Posted - 2014.05.19 21:54:00 - [56] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 Sorry, my bad. He made FIVE pandering statements. I guess that's more than "a few." Otherwise exactly none of that is new information. Or remotely conciliatory. Or apologetic. Or in large part even answered the questions asked. I read every one of those messages before. If you actually think anything you linked is in any way an actual rebuttal or refutation of what I said, you either have some serious problems with reading comprehension or are a hopeless apologist, completely blinded by fanboydom and can't see those statements for what they really are. This exactly. Stop IWS. You're only digging deeper... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1102	Posted - 2014.05.19 22:47:00 - [57] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. Thank you for the grossly inaccurate misquote and being part of the highly unreliable sources making this community fight itself. The guy who helped CCP pick peoples pockets just call me unreliable? You helped CCP defraud people. Accept it or don't. That is who you are. You are actively assisting in a continuing scheme to get people to think that Dust has a future. You can try and spin it however you want, but you guys are engaged in a scheme. Excuse me for trying to prevent people from getting fleeced. Unlike you I actually care about the people in this community, not how CCP is doing. I will respond and critique your posts as I see fit. Don't quote me unless you want me to look bad. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
RogueTrooper 2000AD RoyaLBanKof 62	Posted - 2014.05.19 23:03:00 - [58] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. Thank you for the grossly inaccurate misquote and being part of the highly unreliable sources making this community fight itself. The guy who helped CCP pick peoples pockets just call me unreliable? You helped CCP defraud people. Accept it or don't. That is who you are. You are actively assisting in a continuing scheme to get people to think that Dust has a future. You can try and spin it however you want, but you guys are engaged in a scheme. Excuse me for trying to prevent people from getting fleeced. Unlike you I actually care about the people in this community, not how CCP is doing. I will respond and critique your posts as I see fit. Don't quote me unless you want me to look bad. So much fail. Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4461	Posted - 2014.05.19 23:21:00 - [59] - Quote It's not even worth trying to convince them anymore. Mad people like to stay mad. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1103	Posted - 2014.05.19 23:43:00 - [60] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: It's not even worth trying to convince them anymore. Mad people like to stay mad. And people with no spine will patiently wait for their due, which never shall be. Lames such as yourself would overpay for schwag in a staircase because "it's not the right time". A boy like you doesn't even need to be hit and you would give it all up. People who trust you put themselves at risk. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.

Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4461	Posted - 2014.05.19 23:55:00 - [61] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Michael Arck wrote: It's not even worth trying to convince them anymore. Mad people like to stay mad. And people with no spine will patiently wait for their due, which never shall be. Lames such as yourself would overpay for schwag in a staircase because "it's not the right time". A boy like you doesn't even need to be hit and you would give it all up. People who trust you put themselves at risk. A human without wisdom sees nothing but black and white, frothing at the mouth, consumed with anger that even when his thirst is quenched, the fire will not go out. It rages on, finding anything to engulf in its wake. A pity it is, for that human has not found anything of value to negate that fire. To quell senseless enraged words that he seeks to harm others with, yet it is he himself who deteriorates and withers into nothing. Your personal attacks does nothing here. How funny it is you call me a boy when any man knows that charisma, tact, and respect given opens more doors than the boys who hurl their negativity expecting the receiver to humble himself and listen. So in other words, grow up already. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:20:00 - [62] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 Why did you link these? There is not a single apology or anything relating to what Demonsbane said? Its a bunch of posts about possible character transfers. Anything else you would like to spin to try and make a point?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15121	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:22:00 - [63] - Quote Commander Tuna wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 Why did you link these? There is not a single apology or anything relating to what Demonsbane said? Its a bunch of posts about possible character transfers. Anything else you would like to spin to try and make a point? Re; Read CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:24:00 - [64] - Quote No need to I can make my own non biased judgments IWS
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1104	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:25:00 - [65] - Quote I seek to open no doors. I openly mock those with faith in CCP. If you want to help delude people, be my guest. You keep telling people dust has a future and to invest in it. Then you deal with them when it goes in the bin and you can't transfer anything because CCP can't validate accounts without Sony helping. When you look only slightly deeper, you see the giant flaws and wonder why CCP doesn't have answers after 5 months of Legion development? Not that I expect deep thinking out of you Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 188	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:52:00 - [66] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: True Adamance wrote: When they provide me the Amarr HAV I have spent the past 12 months waiting for........ or Amarr ANYTHING really besides suits we have only 3 weapons and 1 equipment. 0 sockets 0 vehicles 0 nades. Amarr has the least content of ANY of the races. Yeah seriously. I am not a big fan of Amarr tech and CCP managed to get me salivating at the mouth (no homo) for Amarr HAV and Dropships. Damn, I even recently got addicted to Amarr scout due to its appropriately assault brick tanked qualities. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 822	Posted - 2014.05.20 00:56:00 - [67] - Quote On We Have No Future We knew that the end was near for Cmdr Shepherd, yet we played Mass Effect through to its very end. Because that sht was fun. Dust is fun just the way it is. Rattati will make it more fun. Who cares if it might* eventually end? Its here now and its free. Why not play it? In the mean time, what the heck is moaning about spilled milk going to accomplish? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15122	Posted - 2014.05.20 01:36:00 - [68] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: True Adamance wrote: When they provide me the Amarr HAV I have spent the past 12 months waiting for........ or Amarr ANYTHING really besides suits we have only 3 weapons and 1 equipment. 0 sockets 0 vehicles 0 nades. Amarr has the least content of ANY of the races. Yeah seriously. I am not a big fan of Amarr tech and CCP managed to get me salivating at the mouth (no homo) for Amarr HAV and Dropships. Damn, I even recently got addicted to Amarr scout due to its appropriately assault brick tanked qualities. I hate to say it but my current forecast for amarr vehicles is zilch in dust 514 or even legion at the very moment. Luckily the heathen minmatar in the same position it seems. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1896	Posted - 2014.05.20 01:41:00 - [69] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: We knew that the end was near for Cmdr Shepherd I didn't know that. Spoilers. Quote: Rattati will make it more fun. We don't know that. It's entirely possible that RinTinTin makes it worse. Quote: Dust is fun. Where are my minmatar nova knives, shotty? WHERE ARE THEY? People find this this review helpful!
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1106	Posted - 2014.05.20 01:55:00 - [70] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I hate to say it but my current forecast for amarr vehicles is zilch in dust 514 This highlights the usefullness of IWS. Forecasting something we already know. Thanks buddy. Don't forget your helmet. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2612	Posted - 2014.05.20 02:19:00 - [71] - Quote I doubt a single Dev will be able to do anything, though. Well, nothing extraordinary, anyways. Making a game like this is a team effort.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 737	Posted - 2014.05.20 02:37:00 - [72] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Commander Tuna wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 Why did you link these? There is not a single apology or anything relating to what Demonsbane said? Its a bunch of posts about possible character transfers. Anything else you would like to spin to try and make a point? Re; Read You can reread all you want. Still wont find any apology. Still wont find anything about legion on PS4. You're pretty fukin delusional if you think anything in those posts eases our pain. The insincere PR bullshit in those threads just enrage us more. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.05.20 02:42:00 - [73] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. I did apologize, and will do so again right now. I am sorry I was upset about the move, sorry about my cross words, and sorry that I felt betrayed by 4 years of beta testing a PC program on the PS3. Please accept my apology and forget that I ever had any cross words to offer about the move to PC, it took me by shock and was totally unexpected at the time. Looking back now I see things were building up on the PC development and you guys really couldn't say anything until it was allowed under the NDA. Can we have an ETA on Legion please, don't want to buy a computer till I know what I need to run this
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 146	Posted - 2014.05.20 02:47:00 - [74] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: On We Have No Future We knew that the end was near for Cmdr Shepherd, yet we played Mass Effect through to its very end. Because it was fun. Dust is fun, just the way it is. Rattati will make it more fun. Who cares if it might eventually end? We have it now and its free entertainment. Why not play it? lol... you completely missed the point of DUST then. Ignorance is bliss, and I can't fault you for enjoying what you do.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3360	Posted - 2014.05.20 03:32:00 - [75] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Re; Read Re-read? How about no. IGÇÖve already read them, thanks. Maybe English isnGÇÖt your first language, I dunno, but allow me to translate what was said in these links for you. I am a native English speaker who minored in literature so my reading comprehension has been confirmed. Re: bs Some random blog saying GÇ£yesGÇ¥ and GÇ£noGÇ¥ to two questions weGÇÖve heard that answer to already? Why link that? Rouge 1-5: 1) Says the same sh!t as the blog does, all very vague 2) Reiterates the same thing, gives vague promises about PC 2.0 and GÇ£balancingGÇ¥ 3) GÇ£I know you are disappointed.. and I understandGÇª but..GÇ¥ Goes on to say how important moving to PC is. I sure hope thatGÇÖs not what you consider an GÇ£apologyGÇ¥; if it is, Daniel Webster would like to have a word with you. When I tell my kids, no, you canGÇÖt have ice cream before dinner, they complain. Then I tell them, I know you are disappointed but you need to eat dinner first, I am neither apologizing to them nor do I regret my decision. This is quite similar language. 4) Exactly like #1 and #2. 5) Introduces Rattati. Not sure where this fits in. Re: dust A link to a search term? really? WTF was the point of that? To prove Rattati is posting on the forums? Thanks, that is completely new information! Re: Aur Let me try to explain this to you one more time, IWS. Saberwing DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION HE QUOTED. Instead he gives the standard GÇ£we will transfer everything we canGÇ¥ response. Re: Sales Dodges the question yet again. Jesus f*cking Christ, IWS, your links are such a litany of fail that I donGÇÖt know why I even bother trying to reason with you because you are literally seeing information that is not there. Just stop now before you dig yourself any deeper. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10252	Posted - 2014.05.20 04:08:00 - [76] - Quote AFK Godfather wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: On We Have No Future We knew that the end was near for Cmdr Shepherd, yet we played Mass Effect through to its very end. Because it was fun. Dust is fun, just the way it is. Rattati will make it more fun. Who cares if it might eventually end? We have it now and its free entertainment. Why not play it? lol... you completely missed the point of DUST then. Ignorance is bliss, and I can't fault you for enjoying what you do. Spoilers you *******! Some of us have played every game inclusive of ME 3 and not finished the last mission. @ John- Oh and John that was brilliant use of the term litany. They can take away your game but they can't kick the Amarr outta you!. Markdown:
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2014.05.20 04:12:00 - [77] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: On We Have No Future We knew that the end was near for Cmdr Shepherd, yet we played Mass Effect through to its very end. Because it was fun. Dust is fun, just the way it is. Rattati will make it more fun. Who cares if it might eventually end? We have it now and its free entertainment. Why not play it? That is honestly not the point of Dust or mmo~themed games. Your standard game contains content that gets "consumed"; you play Metal Gear and you eventually get to the end. You can change the difficulty setting but, overall, the game dynamics and storyline is the same; there only so many finite number of endings and scenarios and you can achieve all of it if you choose to do so. Games like Dust and mostly mmos for that matter run on content that gets consumed as well but has variables that essentially make that content infinite; different players = different outcomes. FPS games like Dust take and mmo's like EvE even take this a bit more extreme where the content only ends with the game universe ending. That's a dramatically different sequence versus your standard game really. GTA also achieved this at some level with the fact that most players admit to playing GTA for the sake of just doing random stuff in the game. Players also woud've been happier if it were years from now but in a game with infinite consumables that would only end if the game universe ended or the servers were killed, a life span of under 2 years and only slightly beyond one is pretty bad
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3363	Posted - 2014.05.20 04:36:00 - [78] - Quote True Adamance wrote: AFK Godfather wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: On We Have No Future We knew that the end was near for Cmdr Shepherd, yet we played Mass Effect through to its very end. Because it was fun. Dust is fun, just the way it is. Rattati will make it more fun. Who cares if it might eventually end? We have it now and its free entertainment. Why not play it? lol... you completely missed the point of DUST then. Ignorance is bliss, and I can't fault you for enjoying what you do. Spoilers you *******! Some of us have played every game inclusive of ME 3 and not finished the last mission. @ John- Oh and John that was brilliant use of the term litany. They can take away your game but they can't kick the Amarr outta you!. Never! Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 486	Posted - 2014.05.20 11:46:00 - [79] - Quote Because forum warriors like dramas, just like girlfriends (well, mine at least). Life is boring without those I guess... Gotta keep yelling omg things are dead and that people are bad to you all the time :D Story of your life
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3414	Posted - 2014.05.20 11:48:00 - [80] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Because forum warriors like dramas, just like girlfriends (well, mine at least). Life is boring without those I guess... Gotta keep yelling omg things are dead and that people are bad to you all the time :D How dare you!. Eve Legion FTW!

Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.05.20 11:48:00 - [81] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. This is the best post you've ever written tear GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 61	Posted - 2014.05.20 12:20:00 - [82] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds. I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen. I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move. Just to clarify, next gen does not mean next gen console. Which is what that phrase normally means to console players. I would guess next gen in this context to mean the currently in prototype but not guaranteed project legion. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 435	Posted - 2014.05.20 20:14:00 - [83] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming? It just gets better. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The first warning should have been the end of the monthly updates something I made crap ton of noise over citing it the end of the previous roadmap. Ummm yeah I think he did. I thought it was all to do with Christmas holidays, New Year holidays, Chinese New Year holidays. We had two months in a row of monthly updates I think.....never got more than that. I always assumed it wasn't do-able due to Sony PSN yada yada Apparently I should've read between the lines better. John Demonsbane wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 Sorry, my bad. He made FIVE pandering statements. I guess that's more than "a few." Otherwise exactly none of that is new information. Or remotely conciliatory. Or apologetic. Or in large part even answered the questions asked. I read every one of those messages before. If you actually think anything you linked is in any way an actual rebuttal or refutation of what I said, you either have some serious problems with reading comprehension or are a hopeless apologist, completely blinded by fanboydom and can't see those statements for what they really are. QFT Bottom line: no matter what the reasons, the explanations or lack thereof, there is something called "good faith" that has singularly and spectacularly failed. Sure software companies are usually there for-profit. But word-of-mouth is a big deal these days, and our good faith has shattered. What is insulting is the lack of acknowledgement. Then quotes and links to posts that supposedly address this? Just...wow. Someone said stop digging. I don't care any more. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1237	Posted - 2014.05.20 21:02:00 - [84] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback". More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question. Re: BS http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html Re: CCP Rouge https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698 Re: Dust 514 developments https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1 Re: AUR https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542 Re: Sales Planning https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827 That final link has no merit. Actually anything not from the store team means nothing in relation to sales hyping Fanfest. Also, since I'm not gonna buy a PC just to keep my character progress, it only helps so much... I think I'm over Dust now...


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