Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds.

I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen.

I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move.

Not my position to promise anything. Promising never or will are two things I am simply not in that nature to do so. For me to say that Legion will never go to PS4 can turn out to be a flat out lie as saying legion will be going to ps4 will be just as much as of a lie. Both are lies and neither truths; safer to say things that are more encompassing and accommodating. The term next gen is most correct in this case for now all we know is only exclusive to the PC itself but the door will not remain shut.

Even then the possibility of Legion getting red lit is still there so that could just flush quite a few plans down the chute.

Cazderon brought up a good point in another thread as to why even Planetside 2 doesnt have the balls to cross play between their versions. Though i am sure if we could poke SOE brains a bit we can find out from them.

Digital Extremes' Warframe is attempting cross play their largest issue is synchronous versions. Currently the PS4 version is about a month to a week behind. However unlike PS2 the disparity between PC available controllers and expected PS4 controllers are nearly non issue in warframe where they would pose a significant issue in any real shooter such as BF, CoD, PS2, and Legion.

Also if you really want to know where your money is going by icelandic law there is that finances report floating about. Another sad truth of the industry that majority of a game's revenue never goes back into the game. Take your typical EA game; 12$ of every brand new 60$ EA game goes into games that never see launch day or press day even. EA cancels quite a few games they're not happy with or feel they will not meet ROI goals, large portion goes back into the advertising, finally the last bit goes into paying the original game development investment back and securing the next cash cow being crafted. SOE for example does NOT spend the entire subscription from ps2 back into planetside 2 instead it goes to other games and entirely unrelated developments usually. I mean where does the money for everquest next comes from? Its the nature of the business to keep funded regardless. Failure to go above break even means you're stuck with a dying mmo company on the simple grounds that you have no money to fund the next game.

Also if you really want a good backstab story; go read tiny co's apology for spellstorm's sudden cancellation of an event after the event was supposed to start that many people spent lots of pay to win money preparing ahead for; and all the extra new-ish things they promised to do has yet to materialize and this was some months ago. At least here we have a newly assigned developer he's highly involved with the community and the CPM to the point I have to get some real CPM work done tomorrow before he starts cracking the whip around the place.

I'll believe that Rattati is actually going to accomplish something when he does. Until then, negativity it is.

For now all I see is him collecting ideas. He's going about it a good way, but that means nothing considering he has a skeleton crew and in all likelihood will be able to do very little.

Seriously IWS, this is why ppl have a go at you. You singularly fail to address the specific point raised, and then proceed to bang on about several unrelated points. It doesn't matter *one iota* what other companies have done or anything else. It's completely irrelevant to someone asking why they have been shafted and getting zero acknowledgement.

The shaft, if I may paraphrase, before you launch into "nobody said the money you pay for DUST gets invested into DUST", is where we fronted real money for what we thought was an investment into a long-term life cycle on a platform we would own. And it's not just the money, it's the time, the effort to post in forums, to participate in the community, to give feedback and come up with new ideas. Nobody would've complained when a plan to put DUST on PS4 and an end date for DUST on PS3 was announced and some decided they weren't gonna save up for a PS4.

What you've basically done is stop DUST dev altogether. The fact that you knew this was happening months and months ago, and that not only was DUST dev stopping, but new work on a new product was beginning on a completely different platform, is why some people are so upset. For goodness sake acknowledge this. You're just trolling with this sort of response.

Dunno; there are black knights whom feel its alright to go around attacking players who want to continue to play the game because from their perception they been betrayed in their minds.

I don't mind them being angry they have the right after all; not all of them can follow us to next gen.

I do mind the ones however is that think attacking other players and developers who are reaching out is an okay move.

lol, and then there's those who know things like a different platform of the game is being developed and even though the game was not under any NDA, the dust players were not informed at it start.

Do you think they money they made in that 7 months would have been forthcoming in that time or not, I say no, and to me this was simply a way to keep the money coming in, DECEIT.


SO MUCH FOR 7 YEARS, what a crock of ................

We have gone over this before, but here it is again.

However "fun" this game might get in the future does not negate what happened.

I played through all the rage and frustration this game caused and spent many an hour discussing solutions on the forums, not because of what the game currently was, but because of what I thought it could be, and for wanting to be a part of it for the long haul.

I was led by CCP to believe they were committed for the long term on a console, and that these growing pains were part of the process of creating something better, on a Sony console.

I made a commitment to CCP because I wanted to be part of where I thought the game was headed.

It is obvious now, that I and many others were misled, and that my commitment to Dust has essentially been fruitless.

Whatever spiritual successor Legion may be, it is not Dust.

I understand their reasoning, and it may even be the best business decision, however their handling of the situation has been ham handed at best.

Now, the underlying reason for playing this game (besides the scout community) is no longer valid.

Likewise, they have not even made a commitment to Legion on the PC. Even if they did, I have no more reason to believe they would honor our efforts to make Legion the best it could be than they did with our efforts towards Dust.

I see no reason to invest more time, and certainly not money into a gaming PC, into a game made by a company that is willing to callously disregard such a dedicated fan base. And I will not allow myself to get my hopes up that they will somehow make Dust more "fun."

We've got a new Dev who's willing and able to make the game we love more fun to play.
Why not stick around and see what happens?

Corp levels and alliance levels at all time low. Been playing for Two years and its getting old(Same maps and sockets and Game modes)
That's why I was looking forward to New Content at Fanfest and was disappointed with the communication on CCP behalf.
People are really leaving ,I don't even feel the need to cap out anymore. I am staying because of the dust community.But everyday more of my friends are leaving and I don't have many friends left to stay for anymore.
Dust Dev good luck sir ,I truly hope you can put the plug back in the boats bottom its was a nice ride while it lasted.

1. DUST is dying. Unfortunately. It served its purpose, getting CCP up to speed on FPS design, balance, planetary conquest, economics, limited EVE integration, server load and map design. It also gave them insights into what the players want in the game by generating forum feedback. It was a free game so we helped with all these things. We helped them gather this data. Now it is time to kick things up a notch. CCP putting more resources into DUST will be throwing money and effort into the garbage. We might get balance tweaks but I doubt we get any more expansions, suits, equipment, vehicles or maps. If Valkyrie is free and on PS, watch out. It will run until they get similar data then be ported to PC also.

2. Legion will be on PC. There are design advantages to PC that aren't available on consoles. CCP can be more nimble with updates and tweaks. They will have test servers.

3. Legion will be on PC. It will almost certainly help with integration with the rest of the EVE universe.

4. All of CCPs successful games are set in the future and charge a subscription fee. Porting the game to PC allows them to charge a monthly subscription and not share it with Sony. I very much doubt that they will allow Legion to be free and integrate with EVE (which requires a subscription fee). Mark my words: you will eventually be paying a monthly subscription fee for Legion and Valkyrie (or whatever comes after Valkyrie).

5. People put a butt-load of effort and real-world cash into grinding SP in DUST. CCP is not sure how much SP, equipment, skills, AUR, ISK, vehicles, weapons and suits will be transferrable. This is in some ways understandable because it sounds like there will be a fairly hefty expansion to skill trees and weapons might become moddable. The types of suit and vehicle slots might be moddable. But why should we grind more if we are not sure what will transfer? Right now I still play the game because it is entertaining and I will continue to do so until it is no longer fun or the plug is pulled. But I'm not buying anything with real money.

6. The way they announced the change was surprising, brisk and cheesy. They had obviously been working on Legion for several months and they already have a workable version - which they showed off at Fan Fest.

7. They pushed AUR sales just before the announcement that Legion was going to be the future of ground combat in the EVE universe. That was so flipping greedy and cynical.

8. "Laser focus" means something different to CCP and the rest of us.


Munch

Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming?

It just gets better.

And then we got IWS the white knight fanboi who follows CCP no matter what **** they will pull. Its kind of pathetic bro

Sorry, IWS, but I'm calling bullsh!t

Saberwing giving a half-assed 2 line apology in the middle of a thread =/= acknowledgement that a terrible mistake was made, or making amends. Rouge in particular has said NOTHING on the forums to suggest he has any regrets about any of this, just a few pandering responses about our "great feedback".

More importantly, to my knowledge not one person from CCP has said anything, ever, about misleading us for months and pushing aurum sales 72 hours before fanfest. The bluetags completely avoid the question.

Did IWS just blame the community for not seeing the shut down coming?

It just gets better.

FPS cross gaming between PC and console isnt a matter of having the balls to do it. It's imo, just not possible to balance. That's a fact really hard to overcome. So if a single shard MMOFPS starts launches on PC, odds to see it someday go to console ar as thin as the remaining ozone layer. That's no troll nor anger or bitterness talking. That's a simple, reasonable and very likely scenario.

As for the "'where did all the money go ?" part, that's really not the players issue..... It's been said many times that the main blame players have regarding CCP is the long period of keeping them in the dark while still selling\promoting items that may or may not have been bought by said players if they had know about legion and near future. Transparency and all that.

The fact that money earned by a game isnt necessarily spend again on developing that same game is obvious and well known. The fact that Dust probably didnt generate enough money (no actual knowledge here, just sayin) to compensate the cost of past development, maintenance and\or future development is also known by most of the community as PCU was common knowledge for every player. And some never hesitated in buying stuff as a way to support CCP regarding those probable difficulties. Which makes the previous part even more painfull.

So no point in trying to compare this situation with another. Or finding worse somewhere as that doesnt change nor excuse, nor makes it any easier for anyone

I guess... because that makes much sense considering all the "major evolution of DUST", "still fully committed to DUST", "lots of things for DUST will be shown at FF" we've gotten over the past many months.

IWS just stop posting or at least get a clue.

Seriously though, why are IWS not kicked off the CPM for an inability to professionally and diplomatically work with the community?

yoooo...dropping some logic on CCPs #1 fanboy? Good luck with that... you probably wasted a few minutes of your life writing it towards him, but most of us here get it, and agree.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2157460#post2157460

Not very professional; not the Bendtner I knew.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132562#post2132562

Nor is this highly diplomatic. Very unlike the Bendtner I knew.

Now if we take a look at the sources of these replies we see original posts where made highly professional and highly diplomatic. Which now begs the question why even bother to cater to those who just trash everything you say in the first place not showing an ounce of respect for the effort and information brought forth.

It's been nearly two weeks; and staying mad and irate is excessively unproductive.

Re: BS
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/05/fanfest-day-three-red-handed.html

Re: CCP Rouge
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2135709#post2135709
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2138585#post2138585
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2152926#post2152926
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2163698#post2163698

Re: Dust 514 developments
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Rattati&devbadge=1

Re: AUR
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132542#post2132542

Re: Sales Planning
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2132827#post2132827

Sorry, my bad. He made FIVE pandering statements. I guess that's more than "a few." Otherwise exactly none of that is new information. Or remotely conciliatory. Or apologetic. Or in large part even answered the questions asked. I read every one of those messages before.

If you actually think anything you linked is in any way an actual rebuttal or refutation of what I said, you either have some serious problems with reading comprehension or are a hopeless apologist, completely blinded by fanboydom and can't see those statements for what they really are.

Sorry, my bad. He made FIVE pandering statements. I guess that's more than "a few." Otherwise exactly none of that is new information. Or remotely conciliatory. Or apologetic. Or in large part even answered the questions asked. I read every one of those messages before.

If you actually think anything you linked is in any way an actual rebuttal or refutation of what I said, you either have some serious problems with reading comprehension or are a hopeless apologist, completely blinded by fanboydom and can't see those statements for what they really are.

Thank you for the grossly inaccurate misquote and being part of the highly unreliable sources making this community fight itself.

The guy who helped CCP pick peoples pockets just call me unreliable?

You helped CCP defraud people. Accept it or don't. That is who you are.

You are actively assisting in a continuing scheme to get people to think that Dust has a future. You can try and spin it however you want, but you guys are engaged in a scheme.

Excuse me for trying to prevent people from getting fleeced.

Unlike you I actually care about the people in this community, not how CCP is doing.

I will respond and critique your posts as I see fit. Don't quote me unless you want me to look bad.

It's not even worth trying to convince them anymore. Mad people like to stay mad.