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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:43:00 -
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Take a look at this for a pretty good overview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2fPyU1MODE |
TechMechMeds
KLEENEX INC.
3354
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:49:00 -
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The reload animations look tasty in that game.
Eve Legion FTW!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:30:00 -
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No I am not.
Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit!
See you in Destiny
psn: bobswerski
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2369
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:10:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:No I am not.
Thanks for your opinion. Your lack of interest has been noted :)
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:33:00 -
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And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:37:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason.
First off, I have told no one to buy a PC.
And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world.
I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming.
Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:42:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo.
If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2369
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:46:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo. If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France.
Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion.
Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform.
Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while).
This thread is for them.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:51:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo. If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France. Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion. Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform. Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while). This thread is for them.
there are at least other 5 threads like this one, seriously, it's annoying.
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Onesimus Tarsus
703rd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2004
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:55:00 -
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PC isn't an upgrade.
Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW.
Birth, growth, decline, death.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2369
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:57:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo. If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France. Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion. Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform. Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while). This thread is for them. there are at least other 5 threads like this one, seriously, it's annoying.
There are? Five other threads with helpful information about the pros and cons of PC gaming? Without condescension? News to me. I guess you'll just have to live with being annoyed then.
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
289
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:10:00 -
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Your upgrade comes standard with sitting completely upright, being a foot from your display, and the inability to control what you're doing with a single input source. Congratulations--you've joined the Master(bator) Race!
IMO, it's not an "upgrade"--it's a change of physical playstyle. I won't deny all the Comic Book Guy yappity-yap about potential graphical superiority, but I'm a gamer, not a computer scientist. I guess you can play Civ, though, and MMOs a la Warcraft/EVE, if you're into those kind of games. Though in all likelihood, RTS will be realized in an unexpectedly viable way on tablets and the like in the near future. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2369
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:15:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:Your upgrade comes standard with sitting completely upright, being a foot from your display, and the inability to control what you're doing with a single input source. Congratulations--you've joined the Master(bator) Race!
IMO, it's not an "upgrade"--it's a change of physical playstyle. I won't deny all the Comic Book Guy yappity-yap about potential graphical superiority, but I'm a gamer, not a computer scientist. I guess you can play Civ, though, and MMOs a la Warcraft/EVE, if you're into those kind of games. Though in all likelihood, RTS will be realized in an unexpectedly viable way on tablets and the like in the near future.
PCs can be used from the comfort of a couch just as effectively as a console can.
See, this is exactly the kind of lack of knowledge that the video helps to address.
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Lonegnr
New Eden Security Services
65
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:20:00 -
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There are indeed a lot of posts about this, but this video is actually pretty decent.
Take into account that for a lot of people a gaming PC can mean not buying a (console AND a standard home PC) and you can't really complain about the price.
The fact that PC game prices plummet drastically faster than for their console equivalents can really seal the deal for anyone who isn't used to selling back their used games.
Though on the flipside of things, not everyone has an interest in computers, so the increased cost for convenience won't ever kill interest in consoles.
Trying to argue the superiority of one platform over the other is pointless when the majority of factors are subjective. |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:34:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:CRNWLLC wrote:Your upgrade comes standard with sitting completely upright, being a foot from your display, and the inability to control what you're doing with a single input source. Congratulations--you've joined the Master(bator) Race!
IMO, it's not an "upgrade"--it's a change of physical playstyle. I won't deny all the Comic Book Guy yappity-yap about potential graphical superiority, but I'm a gamer, not a computer scientist. I guess you can play Civ, though, and MMOs a la Warcraft/EVE, if you're into those kind of games. Though in all likelihood, RTS will be realized in an unexpectedly viable way on tablets and the like in the near future. PCs can be used from the comfort of a couch just as effectively as a console can. See, this is exactly the kind of lack of knowledge that the video helps to address.
Unprecise. They can be used from a couch, but absolutely not as effectively as a console can. That said, if you place your PC in your living room on a 50-inch TV, it lose all its other purposes outside gaming and movies. It would just become a bigger, more powerful, more expansive console, with less exclusives, playing with a controller against m/kb.
And I don't even want to mention the overall gaming experience, which can be very disappointing to say the least. As a former PC gamer, I really think that consoles are the best platform for a more competitive game style: it may sound strange, but think about it. You have the same platform, the same input latency, the same input device. Except for latency and internet connections, it's all about skills. |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1154
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:37:00 -
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Lonegnr wrote:There are indeed a lot of posts about this, but this video is actually pretty decent.
Take into account that for a lot of people a gaming PC can mean not buying a (console AND a standard home PC) and you can't really complain about the price.
The fact that PC game prices plummet drastically faster than for their console equivalents can really seal the deal for anyone who isn't used to selling back their used games.
Though on the flipside of things, not everyone has an interest in computers, so the increased cost for convenience won't ever kill interest in consoles.
Trying to argue the superiority of one platform over the other is pointless when the majority of factors are subjective.
Could we drop the word superiority?
As to the OP, thank you for the video. I have no interest in PC gaming, but, it was a not @$$ video just talking ****... Which surprises me after reading some of your previous comments elsewhere... Insightful video, but, yea, if the games that everyone brags about on PC are like the background old western CoD, I'm not missing much..
I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4412
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:55:00 -
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Well I just found a new sub. Thanks for the vid. He covered all grounds very thoroughly. Plus alot of the points he made were very good. It's been a while since I played on PC, but I'm looking forward to getting back into it.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2375
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:CRNWLLC wrote:Your upgrade comes standard with sitting completely upright, being a foot from your display, and the inability to control what you're doing with a single input source. Congratulations--you've joined the Master(bator) Race!
IMO, it's not an "upgrade"--it's a change of physical playstyle. I won't deny all the Comic Book Guy yappity-yap about potential graphical superiority, but I'm a gamer, not a computer scientist. I guess you can play Civ, though, and MMOs a la Warcraft/EVE, if you're into those kind of games. Though in all likelihood, RTS will be realized in an unexpectedly viable way on tablets and the like in the near future. PCs can be used from the comfort of a couch just as effectively as a console can. See, this is exactly the kind of lack of knowledge that the video helps to address. Unprecise. They can be used from a couch, but absolutely not as effectively as a console can. That said, if you place your PC in your living room on a 50-inch TV, it lose all its other purposes outside gaming and movies. It would just become a bigger, more powerful, more expansive console, with less exclusives, playing with a controller against m/kb. And I don't even want to mention the overall gaming experience, which can be very disappointing to say the least. As a former PC gamer, I really think that consoles are the best platform for a more competitive game style: it may sound strange, but think about it. You have the same platform, the same input latency, the same input device. Except for latency and internet connections, it's all about skills.
Except nothing that you've said is true. You can still use the same controllers etc. with a PC.
Still, this isn't a thread for you to try to convince me that one or the other is superior. this is a thread for those considering moving to PC, and what to consider.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2375
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:02:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Lonegnr wrote:There are indeed a lot of posts about this, but this video is actually pretty decent.
Take into account that for a lot of people a gaming PC can mean not buying a (console AND a standard home PC) and you can't really complain about the price.
The fact that PC game prices plummet drastically faster than for their console equivalents can really seal the deal for anyone who isn't used to selling back their used games.
Though on the flipside of things, not everyone has an interest in computers, so the increased cost for convenience won't ever kill interest in consoles.
Trying to argue the superiority of one platform over the other is pointless when the majority of factors are subjective. Could we drop the word superiority? As to the OP, thank you for the video. I have no interest in PC gaming, but, it was a not @$$ video just talking ****... Which surprises me after reading some of your previous comments elsewhere... Insightful video, but, yea, if the games that everyone brags about on PC are like the background old western CoD, I'm not missing much..
This isn't a thread where I advocate which one is better. I've used them all. I know which one I prefer. I'm trying to help those that don't know about PCs but might be interested. Ostensibly because of Legion. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1683
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:06:00 -
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Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2376
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:08:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time.
Well, with Steam you can get great discounts (like 75% or more) but you have to watch for the sales. So, you might not see a big price difference unless you're looking for particular games and watching them. You can get good discounts elsewhere as well.
After a two minute search, here's one for $43. |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1683
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:22:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time. Well, with Steam you can get great discounts (like 75% or more) but you have to watch for the sales. So, you might not see a big price difference unless you're looking for particular games and watching them. You can get good discounts elsewhere as well. After a two minute search, here's one for $43.
Granted, they are particularly good sales and discounts, but sales and discounts aren't exclusive.
While retail may not have as spectacular sales, they're still pretty decent.
I just think its an aspect that really shouldn't be ignored.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2377
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:41:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time. Well, with Steam you can get great discounts (like 75% or more) but you have to watch for the sales. So, you might not see a big price difference unless you're looking for particular games and watching them. You can get good discounts elsewhere as well. After a two minute search, here's one for $43. Granted, they are particularly good sales and discounts, but sales and discounts aren't exclusive. While retail may not have as spectacular sales, they're still pretty decent. I just think its an aspect that really shouldn't be ignored.
I don't think it should be ignored either. I believe that he mentions the used game trade, but perhaps not. I do recall him mentioning the renting of games though.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2546
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:52:00 -
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I like RedGaming Tech. I think they do nice videos and his analysis are usually pretty good. Here is his build a PS4/XBone video. If you are wondering about specs, speeds and tech in gaming then his channel is a good one.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2377
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:58:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I like RedGaming Tech. I think they do nice videos and his analysis are usually pretty good. Here is his build a PS4/XBone video. If you are wondering about specs, speeds and tech in gaming then his channel is a good one.
Thanks for this.
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Glyd Path
Nec Tributis
32
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:59:00 -
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Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery.
Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out.
But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players.
Nothing to see here but pandering. 
Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2378
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:11:00 -
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Glyd Path wrote:Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery. Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out. But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players. Nothing to see here but pandering.
Wow. That's a lot of assumptions. First off, as you can see by this thread alone that there are interested parties. Also there are misinformed parties. This thread aims to address both of those issues.
Please take your assumptions elsewhere.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:44:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time.
1) Type in www.greenmangaming.com or follow my link.
2) Create a account.
3) Add Dark Souls 2 for -ú39.99 to your basket.
3) Add voucher - FUSWJT-B1DU64-JBV8UY for 20% off.
4) Pay -ú32 instead. Add key to Steam, download, play.
In a few months time, perhaps even shorter, that price will be cut by half and in a year, you will see the game go for 75% off. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2379
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:42:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time. 1) Type in www.greenmangaming.com or follow my link. 2) Create a account. 3) Add Dark Souls 2 for -ú39.99 to your basket. 3) Add voucher - FUSWJT-B1DU64-JBV8UY for 20% off. 4) Pay -ú32 instead. Add key to Steam, download and play. In a few months time, perhaps even shorter, that price will be cut by half and in a year, you will see the game go for 75% off.
Thanks.
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Gemini Cuspid
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2014.05.15 07:55:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper.
Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time. Well, with Steam you can get great discounts (like 75% or more) but you have to watch for the sales. So, you might not see a big price difference unless you're looking for particular games and watching them. You can get good discounts elsewhere as well. After a two minute search, here's one for $43. http://www.gametap-shop.com/buy-download-pc-games/Dark-Souls-II-3144-13.html?affiliate=GOUS&gclid=COLSuufRrL4CFU5lfgodtG4A5gEdit: Forgot to post the actual link.
Actually I've also posted this in the several forums involving PC's and PS3's. Some titles are cheaper than steam on PS Plus and some titles end up going for free. I think Xcom was one of the games that made me pissed at Steam I got it for $34.99 on sale on steam but was later a free title on the PS Plus 2 months later. I haven't touched it ever since I beat the game and I think that adds to my animosity on that issue.
It's also why gaming and prices are so hard; not every title you want will eventually become for free on PS plus but if you're not trying to beat every game in 2 weeks it has a good appeal to it. In that respect I mostly went from PC to console gaming and I know Sony is pushing the PS Plus heavy if you examine it's marketing.
Depending on what you mostly game, each has it's appeal really. |
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
1205
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Posted - 2014.05.15 08:15:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason.
Yep. WE ALL HAVE PCs. We know how to use them. Some of us, like me, have built PCs before. But we don't want to play FPS on PC because for us it is horrible. Is it that hard to understand? |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1687
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:56:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:1) Type in www.greenmangaming.com or follow my link. 2) Create a account. 3) Add Dark Souls 2 for -ú39.99 to your basket. 3) Add voucher - FUSWJT-B1DU64-JBV8UY for 20% off. 4) Pay -ú32 instead. Add key to Steam, download and play. In a few months time, perhaps even shorter, that price will be cut by half and in a year, you will see the game go for 75% off.
Might be -ú40 for you, but it's Gé¼50 for me, the discount just brings it down to Gé¼40. Some of the pricing of digital games are horrid here.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2014.05.15 10:42:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo. If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France. Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion. Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform. Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while). This thread is for them.
I am in that group.
Put a link to PCPartPicker in the OP; it helped me build my build; now I ned monez 2 bui it :(
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2014.05.15 10:46:00 -
[34] - Quote
Glyd Path wrote:Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery. Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out. But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players. Nothing to see here but pandering.
I've been meaning to buy a PC for a while; been put off by some of the complexity.
This whole Legion thing has given me impetus to build a gaming PC; and more importantly, a way to spitball builds.
MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2547
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Posted - 2014.05.15 11:03:00 -
[35] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I like RedGaming Tech. I think they do nice videos and his analysis are usually pretty good. Here is his build a PS4/XBone video. If you are wondering about specs, speeds and tech in gaming then his channel is a good one. Thanks for this.
No problem, RGT usually puts 3-4 videos up a day. Most are only a few minutes but some are much longer. I commented on some of their videos that they should cover some EVE news and they actually had an EVE video the other day. I don't know if it was because I said something but they did do an EVE video after FF and it was up after I commented. He rambles sometimes but for the most part RGT has interesting posts.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
3276
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:31:00 -
[36] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:No I am not. Thanks for your opinion. Your lack of interest has been noted :)
Ha! I'll give you a +1 for that, Buster. I'll always have to give you some respect for being Cassandra around here for so long, too.
Anyway, I will post constructively and then go on my merry way since you are doing a good job of not being a PC mastur race troll here. Just want to comment on 2 things you mentioned:
1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:
Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!
2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC
Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.
Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit!
See you in Destiny
psn: bobswerski
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:37:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:1) Type in www.greenmangaming.com or follow my link. 2) Create a account. 3) Add Dark Souls 2 for -ú39.99 to your basket. 3) Add voucher - FUSWJT-B1DU64-JBV8UY for 20% off. 4) Pay -ú32 instead. Add key to Steam, download and play. In a few months time, perhaps even shorter, that price will be cut by half and in a year, you will see the game go for 75% off. Might be -ú40 for you, but it's Gé¼50 for me, the discount just brings it down to Gé¼40. Some of the pricing of digital games are horrid here.
Yeah, pricing is bonkers but what would a physical copy of Dark Souls 2 for PC cost you compared to console? The whole point was to point at that games on PC are way cheaper and if you keep your eyes open, you might even get a really juicy deal even for new titles. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:44:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:
1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:
Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!
2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC
Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.
1) Being a father and a family man, it is much harder to justify spending that kind of money on a "gaming" PC but how would you justify the price point of a new console that goes for 400 dollars (if you are in the States) and 60 dollars a pop for games? And how do you even find the time to get your gaming on?
2) Fact is, you have people running around with KBM setups now in Dust so how is that be any different? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2381
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:54:00 -
[39] - Quote
Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Glyd Path wrote:Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery. Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out. But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players. Nothing to see here but pandering. I've been meaning to buy a PC for a while; been put off by some of the complexity. This whole Legion thing has given me impetus to build a gaming PC; and more importantly, a way to spitball builds.
Thanks for this. I don't understand why some in the Dust community think that there's no interest in going PC now that Legion is going to be a PC title.
I hope that the information contained in this thread is helpful to you, and others in your situation.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
3278
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:22:00 -
[40] - Quote
Nyctohylophobia wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:
1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:
Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!
2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC
Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.
1) Being a father and a family man, it is much harder to justify spending that kind of money on a "gaming" PC but how would you justify the price point of a new console that goes for 400 dollars (if you are in the States) and 60 dollars a pop for games? And how do you even find the time to get your gaming on? 2) Fact is, you have people running around with KBM setups now in Dust so how is that any different?
- I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3.
- My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else.
- KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others.
Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit!
See you in Destiny
psn: bobswerski
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2383
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:26:00 -
[41] - Quote
John Demonsbane wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:
1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:
Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!
2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC
Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.
1) Being a father and a family man, it is much harder to justify spending that kind of money on a "gaming" PC but how would you justify the price point of a new console that goes for 400 dollars (if you are in the States) and 60 dollars a pop for games? And how do you even find the time to get your gaming on? 2) Fact is, you have people running around with KBM setups now in Dust so how is that any different? - I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3. - My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else. - KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others.
Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.
This thread is not about the console/PC war.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
3282
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:31:00 -
[42] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:
1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:
Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!
2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC
Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.
1) Being a father and a family man, it is much harder to justify spending that kind of money on a "gaming" PC but how would you justify the price point of a new console that goes for 400 dollars (if you are in the States) and 60 dollars a pop for games? And how do you even find the time to get your gaming on? 2) Fact is, you have people running around with KBM setups now in Dust so how is that any different? - I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3. - My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else. - KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others. Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way. This thread is not about the console/PC war.
Lol, he started it! 
Yes, I did say I was going to go on my merry way, but I'm not exactly going to let someone question my parenting. Anyway, the OP is correct and I am moving on.
Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit!
See you in Destiny
psn: bobswerski
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:24:00 -
[43] - Quote
John Demonsbane wrote:
- I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3.
- My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else.
- KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others.
Sleep is indeed for the weak! As for me, I bought a PS3 because it had a fairly competent bluray player. I do my gaming on PC.
Being a parent, there is always something better to spend the money on regardless how much money you may or may not have.
Well, being a EVE player of 11 years, I was pretty outraged that CCP decided to go with a (in my mind) inferior platform and most of the EVE community didn't buy the argument from CCP that it would cut into the EVE subscriptions if they went with PC from the getgo. I ended up with a close beta code and wasn't really too impressed to be brutally honest with you but then again, beta is beta. But seeing Legion coming to PC makes me more happy that you could possibly realize. :) |
Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:22:00 -
[44] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:
Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.
This thread is not about the console/PC war.
Ok, then those people should realize:
1) Building a PC from scratch is not simple in the same way changing spark plugs/oil/brakes on a car or doing your own plumbing is not simple. If you are not confident in your skills, or you are not at all handy, it may be a better choice to pay someone else to do it. The kids at geeksquad will do it for you under the table for $100. Braking your own components from ESD/misplacement/etc... will quickly add that $100 and then some. Also ESD may significantly reduce your components effective life.
2) You are going to spend more, both in money and time. Aside from the build cost, your electricity bills will be higher, and you will need to spend time on many things that you would not even consider with a console.
3) Getting a PC hooked up to your TV in your living room adds another complication with many considerations.
If you are handy and have the spare time, it really shouldn't be a big problem though (in much the same way the car/house stuff isn't). Just make sure you read up on things, understand what TIM (thermal interface material) is, the differences in brand quality, and use proper protection (ESD gloves at least.) PC components really only fit in their designated spots, so it isn't rocket science.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2910
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:40:00 -
[45] - Quote
If you can hook up a PS4 to a TV, you can build a PC. It may take longer but the fundamental concepts are exactly the same. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
2388
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:26:00 -
[46] - Quote
Mary Lilac wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.
This thread is not about the console/PC war.
Ok, then those people should realize: 1) Building a PC from scratch is not simple in the same way changing spark plugs/oil/brakes on a car or doing your own plumbing is not simple. If you are not confident in your skills, or you are not at all handy, it may be a better choice to pay someone else to do it. The kids at geeksquad will do it for you under the table for $100. Braking your own components from ESD/misplacement/etc... will quickly add that $100 and then some. Also ESD may significantly reduce your components effective life. 2) You are going to spend more, both in money and time. Aside from the build cost, your electricity bills will be higher, and you will need to spend time on many things that you would not even consider with a console. 3) Getting a PC hooked up to your TV in your living room adds another complication with many considerations. If you are handy and have the spare time, it really shouldn't be a big problem though (in much the same way the car/house stuff isn't). Just make sure you read up on things, understand what TIM (thermal interface material) is, the differences in brand quality, and use proper protection (ESD gloves at least.) PC components really only fit in their designated spots, so it isn't rocket science.
While I think you've overstated the difficulty considerably, these are still good things to consider.
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
474
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
Buster Friently wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.
This thread is not about the console/PC war.
Ok, then those people should realize: 1) Building a PC from scratch is not simple in the same way changing spark plugs/oil/brakes on a car or doing your own plumbing is not simple. If you are not confident in your skills, or you are not at all handy, it may be a better choice to pay someone else to do it. The kids at geeksquad will do it for you under the table for $100. Braking your own components from ESD/misplacement/etc... will quickly add that $100 and then some. Also ESD may significantly reduce your components effective life. 2) You are going to spend more, both in money and time. Aside from the build cost, your electricity bills will be higher, and you will need to spend time on many things that you would not even consider with a console. 3) Getting a PC hooked up to your TV in your living room adds another complication with many considerations. If you are handy and have the spare time, it really shouldn't be a big problem though (in much the same way the car/house stuff isn't). Just make sure you read up on things, understand what TIM (thermal interface material) is, the differences in brand quality, and use proper protection (ESD gloves at least.) PC components really only fit in their designated spots, so it isn't rocket science. While I think you've overstated the difficulty considerably, these are still good things to consider.
That is the thing, PC stuff is easy to you.
IF you were to tell me plumbing, electrical, drywall, soldering(be it jewelry or electronic components) or even basic automotive work (you know, disc brakes, exhaust systems, stereo systems, EGR systems) were difficult in the least, I would think that you were overstating it as well.
Trust me, to some people it is wasy, to others just the prospect of reaching inside of a computer is too much to ask, just like getting underneath a 2 ton vehicle.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
1946
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
I'll go back to PC eventually, I like the PC as a platform and when I get together the money I certainly build a new one. the real question is "will I give dust a second chance?" and currently that is a no.
my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!!
Ko6, scout
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