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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:43:00 -
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Take a look at this for a pretty good overview:
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:10:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:No I am not. Thanks for your opinion. Your lack of interest has been noted :)
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:37:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason.
First off, I have told no one to buy a PC.
And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world.
I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming.
Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:46:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo. If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France.
Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion.
Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform.
Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while).
This thread is for them.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.14 22:57:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.
It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason. First off, I have told no one to buy a PC. And secondly, I have witnessed many forum posters being precisely dumb when it comes to the possibility of entering the PC gaming world. I thought this would help those who are genuinely interested, but uninformed, about PC gaming. Clearly you aren't in that group. Fine. Shoo. If they're here on the forums they can visit websites and Google is always your friend. There's no point in posting such things on a ps3 game forums. It's just like trying to sell Russian Wine in France. Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion. Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform. Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while). This thread is for them. there are at least other 5 threads like this one, seriously, it's annoying.
There are? Five other threads with helpful information about the pros and cons of PC gaming? Without condescension? News to me. I guess you'll just have to live with being annoyed then.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:15:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:Your upgrade comes standard with sitting completely upright, being a foot from your display, and the inability to control what you're doing with a single input source. Congratulations--you've joined the Master(bator) Race!
IMO, it's not an "upgrade"--it's a change of physical playstyle. I won't deny all the Comic Book Guy yappity-yap about potential graphical superiority, but I'm a gamer, not a computer scientist. I guess you can play Civ, though, and MMOs a la Warcraft/EVE, if you're into those kind of games. Though in all likelihood, RTS will be realized in an unexpectedly viable way on tablets and the like in the near future.
PCs can be used from the comfort of a couch just as effectively as a console can.
See, this is exactly the kind of lack of knowledge that the video helps to address.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Buster Friently wrote:CRNWLLC wrote:Your upgrade comes standard with sitting completely upright, being a foot from your display, and the inability to control what you're doing with a single input source. Congratulations--you've joined the Master(bator) Race!
IMO, it's not an "upgrade"--it's a change of physical playstyle. I won't deny all the Comic Book Guy yappity-yap about potential graphical superiority, but I'm a gamer, not a computer scientist. I guess you can play Civ, though, and MMOs a la Warcraft/EVE, if you're into those kind of games. Though in all likelihood, RTS will be realized in an unexpectedly viable way on tablets and the like in the near future. PCs can be used from the comfort of a couch just as effectively as a console can. See, this is exactly the kind of lack of knowledge that the video helps to address. Unprecise. They can be used from a couch, but absolutely not as effectively as a console can. That said, if you place your PC in your living room on a 50-inch TV, it lose all its other purposes outside gaming and movies. It would just become a bigger, more powerful, more expansive console, with less exclusives, playing with a controller against m/kb. And I don't even want to mention the overall gaming experience, which can be very disappointing to say the least. As a former PC gamer, I really think that consoles are the best platform for a more competitive game style: it may sound strange, but think about it. You have the same platform, the same input latency, the same input device. Except for latency and internet connections, it's all about skills. Except nothing that you've said is true. You can still use the same controllers etc. with a PC.
Still, this isn't a thread for you to try to convince me that one or the other is superior. this is a thread for those considering moving to PC, and what to consider.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:02:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Lonegnr wrote:There are indeed a lot of posts about this, but this video is actually pretty decent.
Take into account that for a lot of people a gaming PC can mean not buying a (console AND a standard home PC) and you can't really complain about the price.
The fact that PC game prices plummet drastically faster than for their console equivalents can really seal the deal for anyone who isn't used to selling back their used games.
Though on the flipside of things, not everyone has an interest in computers, so the increased cost for convenience won't ever kill interest in consoles.
Trying to argue the superiority of one platform over the other is pointless when the majority of factors are subjective. Could we drop the word superiority? As to the OP, thank you for the video. I have no interest in PC gaming, but, it was a not @$$ video just talking ****... Which surprises me after reading some of your previous comments elsewhere... Insightful video, but, yea, if the games that everyone brags about on PC are like the background old western CoD, I'm not missing much..
This isn't a thread where I advocate which one is better. I've used them all. I know which one I prefer. I'm trying to help those that don't know about PCs but might be interested. Ostensibly because of Legion. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:08:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper. Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time.
Well, with Steam you can get great discounts (like 75% or more) but you have to watch for the sales. So, you might not see a big price difference unless you're looking for particular games and watching them. You can get good discounts elsewhere as well.
After a two minute search, here's one for $43. |
Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:41:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper. Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time. Well, with Steam you can get great discounts (like 75% or more) but you have to watch for the sales. So, you might not see a big price difference unless you're looking for particular games and watching them. You can get good discounts elsewhere as well. After a two minute search, here's one for $43. Granted, they are particularly good sales and discounts, but sales and discounts aren't exclusive. While retail may not have as spectacular sales, they're still pretty decent. I just think its an aspect that really shouldn't be ignored.
I don't think it should be ignored either. I believe that he mentions the used game trade, but perhaps not. I do recall him mentioning the renting of games though.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 00:58:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I like RedGaming Tech. I think they do nice videos and his analysis are usually pretty good. Here is his build a PS4/XBone video. If you are wondering about specs, speeds and tech in gaming then his channel is a good one. Thanks for this.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:11:00 -
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Glyd Path wrote:Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery. Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out. But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players. Nothing to see here but pandering.
Wow. That's a lot of assumptions. First off, as you can see by this thread alone that there are interested parties. Also there are misinformed parties. This thread aims to address both of those issues.
Please take your assumptions elsewhere.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:42:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Spademan wrote:Good video, but every thing seems to leave out the games trading, especially when arguing which games are cheaper. Example: Dark Souls 2. On steam right now? Gé¼50. For console in my local shop new? Gé¼55. Alright, it's Gé¼5 more. If I buy a pre-owned copy? Gé¼35, and that'll go down with time. 1) Type in www.greenmangaming.com or follow my link. 2) Create a account. 3) Add Dark Souls 2 for -ú39.99 to your basket. 3) Add voucher - FUSWJT-B1DU64-JBV8UY for 20% off. 4) Pay -ú32 instead. Add key to Steam, download and play. In a few months time, perhaps even shorter, that price will be cut by half and in a year, you will see the game go for 75% off.
Thanks.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 14:54:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:Glyd Path wrote:Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery. Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out. But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players. Nothing to see here but pandering. I've been meaning to buy a PC for a while; been put off by some of the complexity. This whole Legion thing has given me impetus to build a gaming PC; and more importantly, a way to spitball builds.
Thanks for this. I don't understand why some in the Dust community think that there's no interest in going PC now that Legion is going to be a PC title.
I hope that the information contained in this thread is helpful to you, and others in your situation.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:26:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:
1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:
Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!
2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC
Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.
1) Being a father and a family man, it is much harder to justify spending that kind of money on a "gaming" PC but how would you justify the price point of a new console that goes for 400 dollars (if you are in the States) and 60 dollars a pop for games? And how do you even find the time to get your gaming on? 2) Fact is, you have people running around with KBM setups now in Dust so how is that any different? - I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3. - My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else. - KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others.
Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.
This thread is not about the console/PC war.
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Buster Friently
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:26:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.
This thread is not about the console/PC war.
Ok, then those people should realize: 1) Building a PC from scratch is not simple in the same way changing spark plugs/oil/brakes on a car or doing your own plumbing is not simple. If you are not confident in your skills, or you are not at all handy, it may be a better choice to pay someone else to do it. The kids at geeksquad will do it for you under the table for $100. Braking your own components from ESD/misplacement/etc... will quickly add that $100 and then some. Also ESD may significantly reduce your components effective life. 2) You are going to spend more, both in money and time. Aside from the build cost, your electricity bills will be higher, and you will need to spend time on many things that you would not even consider with a console. 3) Getting a PC hooked up to your TV in your living room adds another complication with many considerations. If you are handy and have the spare time, it really shouldn't be a big problem though (in much the same way the car/house stuff isn't). Just make sure you read up on things, understand what TIM (thermal interface material) is, the differences in brand quality, and use proper protection (ESD gloves at least.) PC components really only fit in their designated spots, so it isn't rocket science.
While I think you've overstated the difficulty considerably, these are still good things to consider.
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