And? Listen, people are not dumb. Or, well, at least the vast majority is not dumb. Everyone has made their choice and will make their choice based on many factors, it's just useless, all this fanboyism trying to build an excuse for Dust's fails and for any other CCP failure.

It's even useless to tell people to buy a gaming PC because if they didn't until now there's always a good reason.

1) Type in www.greenmangaming.com or follow my link.

2) Create a account.

3) Add Dark Souls 2 for -ú39.99 to your basket.

3) Add voucher - FUSWJT-B1DU64-JBV8UY for 20% off.

4) Pay -ú32 instead. Add key to Steam, download and play.

In a few months time, perhaps even shorter, that price will be cut by half and in a year, you will see the game go for 75% off.

Not at all. Firstly, the discussions about PCs have been writ large lately due to Legion.

Not all console users are going to get much out of google if they don't know what to look for. TB has summed it up succinctly and in a way that can help inform.

Lastly, with Dust transitioning to Legion, there are likely a lot of people here interested in the possibility of getting their first gaming PC (or first one in a while).

This thread is for them.

Why would the need to help the poor console players with the transition to PC even crossed anybody's mind is a mystery.
Console players may or may not have PCs. But they certainly don't need help from these forums to figure it out.

But most of them prefer to be console players, not PC players.

Nothing to see here but pandering.

Thanks for this.

Thanks for your opinion. Your lack of interest has been noted :)

Might be -ú40 for you, but it's Gé¼50 for me, the discount just brings it down to Gé¼40. Some of the pricing of digital games are horrid here.

1) You can hook up a PC to the TV in your living room:

Technically I "can" but it's not practical, not only space-wise, but again it puts people in the position of spending more money on a dedicated gaming PC because that PC is not going to be particularly useful for anything else now. Especially when other people may occasionally want to use the TV, even more so in cases like mine where I pretty much need to sit my 2 young kids in front of Sesame Street if I want an hour of peace to get some work done!

2) You can use a game pad/controller on a PC

Again, yes, it is possible to do so. However, I will be hopelessly gimped against the KBM crowd using high performance macro-enabled mice. Not the even playing field I am looking for.

I've been meaning to buy a PC for a while; been put off by some of the complexity.

This whole Legion thing has given me impetus to build a gaming PC; and more importantly, a way to spitball builds.

1) Being a father and a family man, it is much harder to justify spending that kind of money on a "gaming" PC but how would you justify the price point of a new console that goes for 400 dollars (if you are in the States) and 60 dollars a pop for games? And how do you even find the time to get your gaming on?

2) Fact is, you have people running around with KBM setups now in Dust so how is that any different?

- I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3.

- My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else.

- KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others.

Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.

This thread is not about the console/PC war.

- I play after everyone else goes to bed (sleep is for the weak), and only for an hour or 2 a day, and not every day. I'm not the hardcore gamer I used to be in my 20's. I spend more time with the kids than I do gaming, and they also very much enjoy the blu-ray player in the PS3.

- My kids are also pretty damn spoiled, I'm afraid. Money is not an issue for me, but it is for others. Many have already used up their gaming budget on a PS4, so a second investment in a PC is not an option. For me it's just money I could spend better on something else.

- KBM for Dust was a mistake and a concession to CCP's EVE playerbase. If you have been playing Dust or on the forums as long as I have you would know that KBM on Dust is hamstrung and not nearly the advantage it would be on a PC, though in beta it was apparently better. Never used it so I can only repeat what I've heard from others.

Could we please take these arguments to a different thread. There are many ways to play PC from the comfort of your living room, KB/M or otherwise. This thread is intended to help those who would consider upgrading to PC if they had the necessary information to do so in an informed way.

This thread is not about the console/PC war.

Ok, then those people should realize:

1) Building a PC from scratch is not simple in the same way changing spark plugs/oil/brakes on a car or doing your own plumbing is not simple. If you are not confident in your skills, or you are not at all handy, it may be a better choice to pay someone else to do it. The kids at geeksquad will do it for you under the table for $100. Braking your own components from ESD/misplacement/etc... will quickly add that $100 and then some. Also ESD may significantly reduce your components effective life.

2) You are going to spend more, both in money and time. Aside from the build cost, your electricity bills will be higher, and you will need to spend time on many things that you would not even consider with a console.

3) Getting a PC hooked up to your TV in your living room adds another complication with many considerations.

If you are handy and have the spare time, it really shouldn't be a big problem though (in much the same way the car/house stuff isn't). Just make sure you read up on things, understand what TIM (thermal interface material) is, the differences in brand quality, and use proper protection (ESD gloves at least.) PC components really only fit in their designated spots, so it isn't rocket science.

While I think you've overstated the difficulty considerably, these are still good things to consider.