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Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 372	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:14:00 - [1] - Quote So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia More info to come. If this interests you post here. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2811	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:16:00 - [2] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) More info to come. If this interests you post here. Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I AM 1337 Approved
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition 3501	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:18:00 - [3] - Quote I'd like to thank Hawkin for taking up the mantel of PFC. Hopefully it turns out well and fun for all involved. For those of you that don't understand PFC the fact is that CCP has failed to create a smooth transition from pubs to PC and PFC ended being a way to have a middle ground. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 372	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:20:00 - [4] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I love the way you whisper sweet nothings into my ears. But I am not enforcing, I am only assembling it. Merc's & the community will enforce it.
Wolfica Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:21:00 - [5] - Quote good thing FA, AE, NS... and others are in the same alliance as ML, Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't. forum warrior lvl .6
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 724	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:22:00 - [6] - Quote AE and NS are flipping PFC districts over time. I don't know about NS but for AE, contact someone like Steel. If the corps listed want only a PFC district, it should make it easier (I hope) for AE to figure out how to distribute our districts. They should message Steel so he (and others) can organize everything a lot faster. (still hard though) "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2513	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:25:00 - [7] - Quote Abandoned Privilege is on Oddelulf, I'm sure we're interested in participating in a new PFC implementation. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2812	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:27:00 - [8] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I love the way you whisper sweet nothings into my ears. But I am not enforcing, I am only assembling it. Merc's & the community will enforce it. The Community... Dear lord I have so little confidence in the community, I mean if I lose a district to someone then I probably can't beat them which means Enforcement can't happen. I AM 1337 Approved
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 372	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:27:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Abandoned Privilege is on Oddelulf, I'm sure we're interested in participating in a new PFC implementation. Added
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2812	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:27:00 - [10] - Quote Wolfica wrote: good thing FA, AE, NS... and others are in the same alliance as ML, That Inspires Confidence I AM 1337 Approved

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1849	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:28:00 - [11] - Quote I'll certainly enforce it, for much monetary value. And honestly, if there's anything Phoenix Feds have taught us, no one gets any better if there isn't a risk of losing your turf. Make it to where if the opposing team can field a full team, maybe one or two ringers, and they beat the crap out of you, then go ahead and let them have it. But only one per corp. Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 849	Posted - 2014.05.12 06:20:00 - [12] - Quote I will personally do everything in my power to stop the disgrace that was PFC from being reborn. Go get a district and have fun fighting PC battles everywhere! Stop trying to tell corps what they can do in one certain area and not allow districts to be flipped. If you can't hold a district you don't deserve it. Plain and simple. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 849	Posted - 2014.05.12 06:22:00 - [13] - Quote I will also add that perhaps some of he stronger corps can refrain from taking an excessive number of districts so that a much larger number of corps can enjoy PC battles. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 373	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:05:00 - [14] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: AE and NS are flipping PFC districts over time. I don't know about NS but for AE, contact someone like Steel. If the corps listed want only a PFC district, it should make it easier (I hope) for AE to figure out how to distribute our districts. They should message Steel so he (and others) can organize everything a lot faster. (still hard though) If you could help that would be awesome! I will talk to steel also. Thanks man.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 322	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:15:00 - [15] - Quote It's easier to burn a house down when only the frame has been built. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Wrecker FU Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:46:00 - [16] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you. No Locking. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia Abandoned Privilege Subsonic Synthesis More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again. How about 2 planets of PfC? Just because everybody knows those Big Donuts have a wierd way of turning up in the most random of times. Right Tso's? Right Kain(CCP)? That way more corporations with loyal members, that know how to create, stay and grow together in a corp can have fun in a game where elitist players who run to one corp to get carried by better players can call other corps lower tiered. Also it will give the likes of Tso's and Kain's(CCP) alliance to wreak havoc all over each other. If they want. Dust may or may not be around for long but, at least give all those corps a chance to know what its like to hold a district and to play and grow together. Besides a lot of corps out there have good people not like a lot of you rotten bastards in the warroom lol. Seriously though...that would be awesome.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1000	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:04:00 - [17] - Quote I'm personally against PFC as it has never been proven to work. When the districts are given away, IDGAF what they do with it though. PFC is a waste of time for anyone that even types the acronym PFC, corps just farm it for ISK(yes I know, passive is leaving so they say), corps feel entitles to protection and more I could go on about. All it does is feed this room more content to whine about as well. I hope Brutal/Hawk and whoever else is working this idea in their head have a 2nd thought. With that being said, let it be known I do not represent AE or any of my friends. There are plenty in AE who love the idea of PFC. With the way the mechanics are set up now in PFC, it can't work. Corp A fights Corp B and all it takes is for a couple of ringers to come in and then there you have it. FA/OH/NS are getting paid AGAIN to fight on PFC for smaller corps. Don't do it guys. Give these districts up and throw all the corps to the wolves. What you must have is an agreement from the big corps (AE/FA/NS/ERA) that they won't attack these smaller corps to flip their districts. This game has a year or so in it left. If you want to continue the path it has been on, start PFC up and you will see it happen. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 3901	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:11:00 - [18] - Quote I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1004	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:15:00 - [19] - Quote Hey, I have 1k likes now.... Yes, I agree...just regulate within the community. It has been proven that the community can do great things when it pulls together. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
noobsniper the 2nd Inner.Hell 523	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:18:00 - [20] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) More info to come. If this interests you post here. Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I think I should get Nyain to start getting plenty of Districts. FINE Ill protect pfc with my god mode hacks jeez I better be getting payed for this Canadian, EH MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft

Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 3903	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:18:00 - [21] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Hey, I have 1k likes now.... Yes, I agree...just regulate within the community. It has been proven that the community can do great things when it pulls together. Welcome to Forum Warrior L1. A whole new world is now open to you. Enjoy it. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 215	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:22:00 - [22] - Quote There is just too much bitching and moaning about PFCs. Whenever anyone strays from the path of a 16v16 honorable battle, the forums just fugging blow up and half drown in the QQ. It becomes a lot for the person managing PFC to handle. Then PFC just becomes such a volatile environment filled with excuses. It's a much better time whenever these mid-tier up and coming PC corps just own a couple districts that they can do whatever they want. FA/OH/ RA will normally always try to be contracted for PCs and give too much advantage in what "fair" PCs people are looking for. What has been talked about, is a community effort AFTER THE WAR WITH ERA GONE, to keep donuts from forming and stopping anyone that is coming too large in power. We WANT a diverse PC environment and there is just too many good squads of people that have not had opportunities to step in the PC world as they do not have a full team yet. This is most due to how steep the competition curve was when DNS was around.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2815	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:23:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. This sounds best to be honest, PFC, IMO was a sham after looking at it for a while, but this would be nice. I AM 1337 Approved
Brutal BRUTAS Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:27:00 - [24] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you. No Locking. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia Abandoned Privilege Subsonic Synthesis More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again. when escrow is gone we will all meet up and discuss. nyain wants everyone to pc. if you think we cheat, you probably just suck really bad.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1005	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:29:00 - [25] - Quote Brutal BRUTAS wrote: Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you. No Locking. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia Abandoned Privilege Subsonic Synthesis More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again. when escrow is gone we will all meet up and discuss. nyain wants everyone to pc. that would be best Brutas. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 904	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:26:00 - [26] - Quote Dust hedge is best hedge! Why can't I be the hedge? Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *Biomassed Said I was Dust Famous* I once owned half of a district.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:38:00 - [27] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. I would like to know that the rebirth of PFC is not the official stance of Molon Labe. I hope it is not, otherwise we'll have issues and Thor and I usually see eye to eye, so it'd be a shame. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4905	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:41:00 - [28] - Quote HvLP would like to be a part of any new rebuilding of PFC. We'd even help it out when needed. o/ n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 379	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:02:00 - [29] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. OK instead of calling it PFC think of all corps having a Home District. Every serious corp that field a team gets one, fights and wars can occur but you can't take a corps home district. That would prevent any corp from being wiped off the face of PC. My goal is to make sure that everycorp that can field a full team and wants to play in pc, can play in PC. Because when corps or players get removed from PC it hurts the game, and our player base shrinks just a little more.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:09:00 - [30] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. OK instead of calling it PFC think of all corps having a Home District. Every serious corp that field a team gets one, fights and wars can occur but you can't take a corps home district. That would prevent any corp from being wiped off the face of PC. My goal is to make sure that everycorp that can field a full team and wants to play in pc, can play in PC. Because when corps or players get removed from PC it hurts the game, and our player base shrinks just a little more. You don't need a district to do PC and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. Now hopefully CCP tweaks the numbers on PC to prevent farming incentives to own everything and reduces the clone pack cost and increases it's size. What we need is the larger corps to control their urge to take everything so that there are more districts available for the smaller corps to fight over with the same real PC risks of loosing that district. Now once in a while a smaller corp will be in the 'way' of a bigger corp and get wiped off a district. But if they're half decent they can go fight over another district with a corp more their skill level. This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.

Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:19:00 - [31] - Quote Corps with districts outside of PFC should not b able to hv districts on PFC, including training corps or whatever. If a smaller corp with no districts flips a PFC district, it should become theirs. No questions asked. To flip the district they should b able to ring 6 players max. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God AQUPI
Texas Killionaire Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:22:00 - [32] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I'd like to thank Hawkin for taking up the mantel of PFC. Hopefully it turns out well and fun for all involved. For those of you that don't understand PFC the fact is that CCP has failed to create a smooth transition from pubs to PC and PFC ended being a way to have a middle ground. Go away Kane. If you're not ready to lose, you're not ready to win. Jello Biafra = God AQUPI
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 380	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:30:00 - [33] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: You don't need a district to do PC Yes you really do, need a district to play in PC otherwise you have to spend a large amount of ISK, just to get some practice for your corp. To newer corps 36 mil is alot of ISK. With only tax as your income it takes awhile to make that. Ares 514 wrote: and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. You are forgetting the 1 requirement you need to get a district. You need to consistently be able to field a whole team of your own players. I can't think of 24 corps that can do that. Ares 514 wrote: This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over. There are risks associated with war you take districts you can lose districts. Telling the larger corps not to take all of the smaller corps land is pretty much the same thing I am saying, I'm just spelling it out in Black & White which district shouldn't be taken. So the smaller corps can still train and practice PC without having to pay 36mil for a easily beatable 120 clone pack.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1024	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:57:00 - [34] - Quote -1000 this is a bad idea WE already have people stepping up as if they are in charge....you guys should wait until the dust has settled before you start all this BS. You are obviously not concentrating on what needs to be concentrated on. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
ER-Bullitt molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1489	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:06:00 - [35] - Quote Conentrating on what needs to happen first? wow Ive heard this before "its called Planetary conquest, so that means we must take all the land if we are able to because thats the name of the game.. right?" Fuck1ng wrong... unless of course you want to continue promoting a stale dead game mode, if that is what you are looking for please by all means continue business as usual. Big you arent going to agree with this because, well, you're dumb... but all of you no lifing neckbeards needs to really show some ******* restraint in the future if you want to accomplish the following: A. Promote new players, new corps, joining in on the fun. B. Dont want blue donut isk farming boredom bullshit where only a tiny percentage of the playerbase are "#winning" Yes I just said you, the players, need to show some fuck1ng restraint. Mind boggling, I know.. but CCP made the game this way. Its up to you to make it enjoyable and "fair" to keep the lessers interested. Good luck.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1025	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:10:00 - [36] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Conentrating on what needs to happen first? wow Ive heard this before "its called Planetary conquest, so that means we must take all the land if we are able to because thats the name of the game.. right?" Fuck1ng wrong... unless of course you want to continue promoting a stale dead game mode, if that is what you are looking for please by all means continue business as usual. Big you arent going to agree with this because, well, you're dumb... but all of you no lifing neckbeards needs to really show some fuck1ng restraint in the future if you want to accomplish the following: A. Promote new players, new corps, joining in on the fun. B. Dont want blue donut isk farming boredom bullshit where only a tiny percentage of the playerbase are "#winning" Yes I just said you, the players, need to show some fuck1ng restraint. Mind boggling, I know.. but CCP made the game this way. Its up to you to make it enjoyable and "fair" to keep the lessers interested. Good luck. no, you're wrong about it all except about players showing constraint. If you can get them to do, then there is no need for PFC. it's just opening doors for trouble is all it is. Oh, no neckbeard here. I actually sleep and take a shower every Saturday, even if I don't need one. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 333	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:12:00 - [37] - Quote I will light the fire personally if this ** is built. If they don't have the capability to train 16 players to fight, capture, and maintain the districts, then perhaps they should wait until they grow more, or merge with another corp. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.**
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1025	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:13:00 - [38] - Quote and to add bullit, you can even speak with your own leadership. At no time I have said I didn't want the entire community involved. As a matter of fact I have said everyone should be involved with PFC. I think it can happen if like you said, we have player constraint. It can be done without a spokesperson, a leader or someone with their hands always in the cookie jar. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:16:00 - [39] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Ares 514 wrote: You don't need a district to do PC Yes you really do, need a district to play in PC otherwise you have to spend a large amount of ISK, just to get some practice for your corp. To newer corps 36 mil is alot of ISK. With only tax as your income it takes awhile to make that. Ares 514 wrote: and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. You are forgetting the 1 requirement you need to get a district. You need to consistently be able to field a whole team of your own players. I can't think of 24 corps that can do that. Ares 514 wrote: This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over. There are risks associated with war you take districts you can lose districts. Telling the larger corps not to take all of the smaller corps land is pretty much the same thing I am saying, I'm just spelling it out in Black & White which district shouldn't be taken. So the smaller corps can still train and practice PC without having to pay 36mil for a easily beatable 120 clone pack. Trust me, I more then most know about the costs of clone packs, we have purchased A LOT and never had the ISK from farming to pay for them. This is why i'm a firm supporter of them being decreased in price. I personally prefer 10mil. I do actually believe CCP will get around to tweaking this number at some point, hopefully soon. I'm sure they'll even call it a BIG change. Sigh. Your approaching it from the wrong angle. Districts need to be fought over. Without loss their is no real PC. It's to hard and stupid to try to enforce rules upon who can do what where on a district by district basis. Now an agreement amoung a few stronger corps where they say that anyone with more then x districts is their enemy is another thing. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4911	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:22:00 - [40] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Hawkin P wrote: Ares 514 wrote: You don't need a district to do PC Yes you really do, need a district to play in PC otherwise you have to spend a large amount of ISK, just to get some practice for your corp. To newer corps 36 mil is alot of ISK. With only tax as your income it takes awhile to make that. Ares 514 wrote: and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. You are forgetting the 1 requirement you need to get a district. You need to consistently be able to field a whole team of your own players. I can't think of 24 corps that can do that. Ares 514 wrote: This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over. There are risks associated with war you take districts you can lose districts. Telling the larger corps not to take all of the smaller corps land is pretty much the same thing I am saying, I'm just spelling it out in Black & White which district shouldn't be taken. So the smaller corps can still train and practice PC without having to pay 36mil for a easily beatable 120 clone pack. Trust me, I more then most know about the costs of clone packs, we have purchased A LOT and never had the ISK from farming to pay for them. This is why i'm a firm supporter of them being decreased in price. I personally prefer 10mil. I do actually believe CCP will get around to tweaking this number at some point, hopefully soon. I'm sure they'll even call it a BIG change. Sigh. Your approaching it from the wrong angle. Districts need to be fought over. Without loss their is no real PC. It's to hard and stupid to try to enforce rules upon who can do what where on a district by district basis. Now an agreement amoung a few stronger corps where they say that anyone with more then x districts is their enemy is another thing. CCP didn't add a way for people to grow as a corp together easily. PFC is a community solution to that. There's no way any new PFC will be regulated or policed, though. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:36:00 - [41] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Hawkin P wrote: Yes you really do, need a district to play in PC otherwise you have to spend a large amount of ISK, just to get some practice for your corp. To newer corps 36 mil is alot of ISK. With only tax as your income it takes awhile to make that. Ares 514 wrote: and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. You are forgetting the 1 requirement you need to get a district. You need to consistently be able to field a whole team of your own players. I can't think of 24 corps that can do that. Ares 514 wrote: This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over. There are risks associated with war you take districts you can lose districts. Telling the larger corps not to take all of the smaller corps land is pretty much the same thing I am saying, I'm just spelling it out in Black & White which district shouldn't be taken. So the smaller corps can still train and practice PC without having to pay 36mil for a easily beatable 120 clone pack. Trust me, I more then most know about the costs of clone packs, we have purchased A LOT and never had the ISK from farming to pay for them. This is why i'm a firm supporter of them being decreased in price. I personally prefer 10mil. I do actually believe CCP will get around to tweaking this number at some point, hopefully soon. I'm sure they'll even call it a BIG change. Sigh. Your approaching it from the wrong angle. Districts need to be fought over. Without loss their is no real PC. It's to hard and stupid to try to enforce rules upon who can do what where on a district by district basis. Now an agreement amoung a few stronger corps where they say that anyone with more then x districts is their enemy is another thing. CCP didn't add a way for people to grow as a corp together easily. PFC is a community solution to that. There's no way any new PFC will be regulated or policed, though. It's a bad vision that needs to be put to rest. There are much better ways of getting more corps into PC. Lets see how it all falls out before someone tries to bring back this horrible idea. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4911	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:44:00 - [42] - Quote If 80% of MH weren't still going to be controlled by top tier corps I'd agree, but MH hasn't changed from DNS's passing. It's only become more disorganized. PFC will still be needed. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:53:00 - [43] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: If 80% of MH weren't still going to be controlled by top tier corps I'd agree, but MH hasn't changed from DNS's passing. It's only become more disorganized. PFC will still be needed. I think if AE honours their commitments and gives up the majority of their districts (hopefully NS joins in with some of theirs too) then it will provide much more of a playground then you might anticipate. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 219	Posted - 2014.05.12 18:55:00 - [44] - Quote Yup, Bulitt must've drank some Kain's ginger dum juice. Please know that if it wasn't for the following, we would not have had any attempt of recreating a PC environment. bigolenuts (had been trying to convince AE in months passed to get out of the donut and rallied together what was left of AE after boot from DNS) Zatara (for providing crucial intel to RA and backstabbing ERA) nyain san (for fighting those 6am battles no one wants to) Bigolenuts has been campaigning on the forums in the past 2 months to try ways to bring the little guy back into PC and has FA and OHs support. What he's been trying to explain is that you cannot build on something for the PC community as long as there a$$hats like DNS left around ready to create further imbalance. Of what will be left of top contenders for PC, FA/OH/AE are not looking to stomp out the little guy, there's no reason for this action other then trying to practice up a B or C teams without district flips. The few stronger corps out there are looking to create a mutual clause supporting new PC contenders, and you can bet your ass it will be put into place. So yes we are trying to use restraint as an asset for the peoples that actually have a new chance to partake in PC. People have not really much attempt on getting together to build a 16-man team as PC competition has been too steep. PFCs do not work for the little guy as they pretty much always have to call for ringers, this just creates chaos amongst PFC community. "OMG they had 6 top slayers from FA, ******* cowards can't fight their own battles." yada yada QQ yada. Whenever someone supports/backs another in PFC mayhem follows, as from last experiences. It's near impossible to regulate a PFC. So really, you should be thanking Bigolenuts for his legit effort that will actually help the community.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4912	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:02:00 - [45] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: If 80% of MH weren't still going to be controlled by top tier corps I'd agree, but MH hasn't changed from DNS's passing. It's only become more disorganized. PFC will still be needed. I think if AE honours their commitments and gives up the majority of their districts (hopefully NS joins in with some of theirs too) then it will provide much more of a playground then you might anticipate. More then likely the top tier corps will take AE's land and just replace them. and NS says they want 35% of MH and they'll stop... lol... n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4912	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:03:00 - [46] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: Yup, Bulitt must've drank some of Kain's ginger dum juice. Please know that if it wasn't for the following, we would not have had any attempt of recreating a PC environment. bigolenuts (had been trying to convince AE in months passed to get out of the donut and rallied together what was left of AE after boot from DNS) Zatara (for providing crucial intel to RA and backstabbing ERA) nyain san (for fighting those 6am battles no one wants to) Bigolenuts has been campaigning on the forums in the past 2 months to try to find ways to bring the little guy back into PC and has had FA and OHs support in the idea. What he's been trying to explain is that you cannot build on something for the PC community as long as there a$$hats like DNS left around ready to create further imbalance. Yes, it will take some time to give these districts out, handing them out now gives Kain and his ERA guys too much room to remain a presence. Of what will be left of top contenders for PC, FA/OH/AE are not looking to stomp out the little guy, there's no reason for this action other then trying to practice up a B or C teams without district flips. The few stronger corps out there are looking to create a mutual clause supporting new PC contenders, and you can bet your ass it will be put into place. So yes we are trying to use restraint as an asset for the peoples that actually have a new chance to partake in PC. There has not really been much of an attempt on getting together to build a 16-man team as PC competition has been too steep. PFCs do not work for the little guy as they pretty much always have to call for ringers, this just creates chaos amongst PFC community. "OMG they had 6 top slayers from FA, fuc king cowards can't fight their own battles." yada yada QQ yada. Whenever someone supports/backs another in PFC mayhem follows, as from last experiences. It's near impossible to regulate a PFC. So really, you should be thanking Bigolenuts for his legit effort that will actually help the community. I'll believe this when I see it. Everything good that has ever been tried to be done is always smashed by some *******. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 221	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:05:00 - [47] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Ares 514 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: If 80% of MH weren't still going to be controlled by top tier corps I'd agree, but MH hasn't changed from DNS's passing. It's only become more disorganized. PFC will still be needed. I think if AE honours their commitments and gives up the majority of their districts (hopefully NS joins in with some of theirs too) then it will provide much more of a playground then you might anticipate. More then likely the top tier corps will take AE's land and just replace them. and NS says they want 35% of MH and they'll stop... lol... Lol, ya Nyain san is going to be that black sheep. They say they will try to give back what they take and who know's maybe they will. It's those damn timers we've always have trouble with. Regardless, if Nyain gets out of hand, surely there will be effort made against them. For now, PRAISE THE SUN NS is fighting those 12:00 EVE timers. LOL
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4912	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:07:00 - [48] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Ares 514 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: If 80% of MH weren't still going to be controlled by top tier corps I'd agree, but MH hasn't changed from DNS's passing. It's only become more disorganized. PFC will still be needed. I think if AE honours their commitments and gives up the majority of their districts (hopefully NS joins in with some of theirs too) then it will provide much more of a playground then you might anticipate. More then likely the top tier corps will take AE's land and just replace them. and NS says they want 35% of MH and they'll stop... lol... Lol, ya Nyain san is going to be that black sheep. They say they will try to give back what they take and who know's maybe they will. It's those damn timers we've always have trouble with. Regardless, if Nyain gets out of hand, surely there will be effort made against them. For now, PRAISE THE SUN NS is fighting those 12:00 EVE timers. LOL They've allied, again, with most of the top remaining corps. Who will do something about NS? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2831	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:15:00 - [49] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: They've allied, again, with most of the top remaining corps. Who will do something about NS? Quit bitching I've explained this elsewhere. CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4912	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:21:00 - [50] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: They've allied, again, with most of the top remaining corps. Who will do something about NS? Quit bitching I've explained this elsewhere. Care to link or quit crying that people don't care to read everything you post? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot

Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 2832	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:27:00 - [51] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Care to link or quit crying that people don't care to read everything you post? You aren't most people. CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1025	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:54:00 - [52] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: Yup, Bulitt must've drank some of Kain's ginger dum juice. Please know that if it wasn't for the following, we would not have had any attempt of recreating a PC environment. bigolenuts (had been trying to convince AE in months passed to get out of the donut and rallied together what was left of AE after boot from DNS) Zatara (for providing crucial intel to RA and backstabbing ERA) nyain san (for fighting those 6am battles no one wants to) Bigolenuts has been campaigning on the forums in the past 2 months to try to find ways to bring the little guy back into PC and has had FA and OHs support in the idea. What he's been trying to explain is that you cannot build on something for the PC community as long as there a$$hats like DNS left around ready to create further imbalance. Yes, it will take some time to give these districts out, handing them out now gives Kain and his ERA guys too much room to remain a presence. Of what will be left of top contenders for PC, FA/OH/AE are not looking to stomp out the little guy, there's no reason for this action other then trying to practice up a B or C teams without district flips. The few stronger corps out there are looking to create a mutual clause supporting new PC contenders, and you can bet your ass it will be put into place. So yes we are trying to use restraint as an asset for the peoples that actually have a new chance to partake in PC. There has not really been much of an attempt for PC newbies on getting together to build a 16-man team as PC competition has been too steep. PFCs do not work for the little guy as they pretty much always have to call for ringers, this just creates chaos amongst PFC community. "OMG they had 6 top slayers from FA, fuc king cowards can't fight their own battles." yada yada QQ yada. Whenever someone supports/backs another in PFC mayhem follows, as from last experiences. It's near impossible to regulate a PFC. So really, you should be thanking Bigolenuts for his legit effort that will actually help the community. Thanks for noticing whataguy....I'll send the 100 million ISK when I log back on LOL None of this matters if the big corps keep picking on the little ones. It will be all for naught. Unless OH/FA/NS/ERA and others keep their greed to a minimum, your small corps won't ever stand a chance then you will be back to the bat phone days. I just want to see small guys get on here and talk ish to each other. Would love to see Latino Killers versus GIANT forum war LOL that's just me though. All of us vets have done more PC's than remain in this game. Lets continue to pub stomp, q synch FW and send clone packs at each other and then come back here and talk ish when one of us beats someone with a clone pack. We all have plenty of ISK it seems, unless there is something Kane is not telling us due the NDA. I don't think Kane would use knowledge he has being on the CPM to his advantage, do you? "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4914	Posted - 2014.05.12 19:56:00 - [53] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: Care to link or quit crying that people don't care to read everything you post? You aren't most people. ty n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
ER-Bullitt molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1489	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:30:00 - [54] - Quote Sigh.. ya'll are like a year too late for all this "lets fix the way WE THE PLAYERS handle our actions here in PC land" Good ideas.. but yeah, where were you all when I was trying to shoot down the EoN donut and how shite that mentality would be for the game mode way back Wednesday. Actually, I could probably pull up some old posts showing some of you same dolts calling me a QQ noob when I was campaigning for change... now you all are on board with it? roflcopters Too little, too late. but good luck I guess.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4916	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:35:00 - [55] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Sigh.. ya'll are like a year too late for all this "lets fix the way WE THE PLAYERS handle our actions here in PC land" Good ideas.. but yeah, where were you all when I was trying to shoot down the EoN donut and how shite that mentality would be for the game mode way back Wednesday. Actually, I could probably pull up some old posts showing some of you same dolts calling me a QQ noob when I was campaigning for change... now you all are on board with it? roflcopters Too little, too late. but good luck I guess. All talk and no action makes you a salty boy. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
ER-Bullitt molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1489	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:37:00 - [56] - Quote I dont get the reference
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4916	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:40:00 - [57] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: I dont get the reference Then take it as a literal statement lol n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
ER-Bullitt molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1489	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:41:00 - [58] - Quote Dont get that either...
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 227	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:46:00 - [59] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Sigh.. ya'll are like a year too late for all this "lets fix the way WE THE PLAYERS handle our actions here in PC land" Good ideas.. but yeah, where were you all when I was trying to shoot down the EoN donut and how shite that mentality would be for the game mode way back Wednesday. Actually, I could probably pull up some old posts showing some of you same dolts calling me a QQ noob when I was campaigning for change... now you all are on board with it? roflcopters Too little, too late. but good luck I guess. Back in the better days when something like this wasn't necessary. There were capabilities of just more than 2 corps being top sh!t, 200+ more competitive players than we have now. There was too many Egos for something this carebear to happen. Now game is dwindling and vets are making an honest desperate attempt to keep the ones who remain entertained.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2822	Posted - 2014.05.12 22:04:00 - [60] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Dont get that either... Tears Conatin salt... there... I AM 1337 Approved

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1492	Posted - 2014.05.12 22:54:00 - [61] - Quote Whats a "conatin"... why the **** must you trolls post in riddles!
Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2014.05.13 00:52:00 - [62] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: and to add bullit, you can even speak with your own leadership. At no time I have said I didn't want the entire community involved. As a matter of fact I have said everyone should be involved with PFC. I think it can happen if like you said, we have player constraint. It can be done without a spokesperson, a leader or someone with their hands always in the cookie jar. As I said this is a rough draft, something to be built upon. I am not looking to make any ISK off this, or charge any fees. This is something that I simply believe in. A way for corps to practice for PC, why is the need for this so hard to understand. You can't get good at PC if you don't practice. You can't practice if you don't have a district or alot alot alot of ISK.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4921	Posted - 2014.05.13 01:18:00 - [63] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: bigolenuts wrote: and to add bullit, you can even speak with your own leadership. At no time I have said I didn't want the entire community involved. As a matter of fact I have said everyone should be involved with PFC. I think it can happen if like you said, we have player constraint. It can be done without a spokesperson, a leader or someone with their hands always in the cookie jar. As I said this is a rough draft, something to be built upon. I am not looking to make any ISK off this, or charge any fees. This is something that I simply believe in. A way for corps to practice for PC, why is the need for this so hard to understand. You can't get good at PC if you don't practice. You can't practice if you don't have a district or alot alot alot of ISK. This is why I jacked 4 districts now from ERA. There's just no other way to train without losing lots of ISK. With 4 districts at least it gives us some room to accept a few losses before our PC's end. Remake PFC!! :3 n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 526	Posted - 2014.05.13 01:21:00 - [64] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: -1000 this is a bad idea WE already have people stepping up as if they are in charge....you guys should wait until the dust has settled before you start all this BS. You are obviously not concentrating on what needs to be concentrated on. yes give it a little bit of time before rushing anything. before this game is dead it would be nice to see people in the community fighting in PC who never got a chance before. any one corp or alliance takeing all of MH really has no point anymore. what good to see is everyone doing battles at this point in time and who knows there could be some good rivalrys growing in the months ahead. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu


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