DUST Search - Rebuilding PFC Differently

Brutal BRUTAS wrote:

Hawkin P wrote:

So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC.

So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees.
Rules will be simple. Starting with.

Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify.
You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district.
Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help.
You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you.
No Locking.

I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again.

Corps already with a district:
KEQ
Hellstorm
Sam-Mik
Quebec United (Coming Soon)
Dystopia
Abandoned Privilege
Subsonic Synthesis

More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was.

Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again.

when escrow is gone we will all meet up and discuss. nyain wants everyone to pc.

"CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"

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Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 372	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:14:00 - [1] - Quote So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia More info to come. If this interests you post here. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2811	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:16:00 - [2] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) More info to come. If this interests you post here. Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I AM 1337 Approved
Kain Spero Escrow Removal and Acquisition 3501	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:18:00 - [3] - Quote I'd like to thank Hawkin for taking up the mantel of PFC. Hopefully it turns out well and fun for all involved. For those of you that don't understand PFC the fact is that CCP has failed to create a smooth transition from pubs to PC and PFC ended being a way to have a middle ground. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 372	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:20:00 - [4] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I love the way you whisper sweet nothings into my ears. But I am not enforcing, I am only assembling it. Merc's & the community will enforce it.
Wolfica Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:21:00 - [5] - Quote good thing FA, AE, NS... and others are in the same alliance as ML, Do you even PC bro.... ha I bet you don't. forum warrior lvl .6
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 724	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:22:00 - [6] - Quote AE and NS are flipping PFC districts over time. I don't know about NS but for AE, contact someone like Steel. If the corps listed want only a PFC district, it should make it easier (I hope) for AE to figure out how to distribute our districts. They should message Steel so he (and others) can organize everything a lot faster. (still hard though) "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masterbait afterwards." - CCP Lockingbro
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2513	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:25:00 - [7] - Quote Abandoned Privilege is on Oddelulf, I'm sure we're interested in participating in a new PFC implementation. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2812	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:27:00 - [8] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I love the way you whisper sweet nothings into my ears. But I am not enforcing, I am only assembling it. Merc's & the community will enforce it. The Community... Dear lord I have so little confidence in the community, I mean if I lose a district to someone then I probably can't beat them which means Enforcement can't happen. I AM 1337 Approved
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 372	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:27:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Abandoned Privilege is on Oddelulf, I'm sure we're interested in participating in a new PFC implementation. Added
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2812	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:27:00 - [10] - Quote Wolfica wrote: good thing FA, AE, NS... and others are in the same alliance as ML, That Inspires Confidence I AM 1337 Approved

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1849	Posted - 2014.05.12 05:28:00 - [11] - Quote I'll certainly enforce it, for much monetary value. And honestly, if there's anything Phoenix Feds have taught us, no one gets any better if there isn't a risk of losing your turf. Make it to where if the opposing team can field a full team, maybe one or two ringers, and they beat the crap out of you, then go ahead and let them have it. But only one per corp. Why do we dusties refuse to die?!! Seriously, I want to know!!
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 849	Posted - 2014.05.12 06:20:00 - [12] - Quote I will personally do everything in my power to stop the disgrace that was PFC from being reborn. Go get a district and have fun fighting PC battles everywhere! Stop trying to tell corps what they can do in one certain area and not allow districts to be flipped. If you can't hold a district you don't deserve it. Plain and simple. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 849	Posted - 2014.05.12 06:22:00 - [13] - Quote I will also add that perhaps some of he stronger corps can refrain from taking an excessive number of districts so that a much larger number of corps can enjoy PC battles. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 373	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:05:00 - [14] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: AE and NS are flipping PFC districts over time. I don't know about NS but for AE, contact someone like Steel. If the corps listed want only a PFC district, it should make it easier (I hope) for AE to figure out how to distribute our districts. They should message Steel so he (and others) can organize everything a lot faster. (still hard though) If you could help that would be awesome! I will talk to steel also. Thanks man.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 322	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:15:00 - [15] - Quote It's easier to burn a house down when only the frame has been built. Official Unofficial D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Wrecker FU Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.05.12 07:46:00 - [16] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you. No Locking. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia Abandoned Privilege Subsonic Synthesis More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again. How about 2 planets of PfC? Just because everybody knows those Big Donuts have a wierd way of turning up in the most random of times. Right Tso's? Right Kain(CCP)? That way more corporations with loyal members, that know how to create, stay and grow together in a corp can have fun in a game where elitist players who run to one corp to get carried by better players can call other corps lower tiered. Also it will give the likes of Tso's and Kain's(CCP) alliance to wreak havoc all over each other. If they want. Dust may or may not be around for long but, at least give all those corps a chance to know what its like to hold a district and to play and grow together. Besides a lot of corps out there have good people not like a lot of you rotten bastards in the warroom lol. Seriously though...that would be awesome.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1000	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:04:00 - [17] - Quote I'm personally against PFC as it has never been proven to work. When the districts are given away, IDGAF what they do with it though. PFC is a waste of time for anyone that even types the acronym PFC, corps just farm it for ISK(yes I know, passive is leaving so they say), corps feel entitles to protection and more I could go on about. All it does is feed this room more content to whine about as well. I hope Brutal/Hawk and whoever else is working this idea in their head have a 2nd thought. With that being said, let it be known I do not represent AE or any of my friends. There are plenty in AE who love the idea of PFC. With the way the mechanics are set up now in PFC, it can't work. Corp A fights Corp B and all it takes is for a couple of ringers to come in and then there you have it. FA/OH/NS are getting paid AGAIN to fight on PFC for smaller corps. Don't do it guys. Give these districts up and throw all the corps to the wolves. What you must have is an agreement from the big corps (AE/FA/NS/ERA) that they won't attack these smaller corps to flip their districts. This game has a year or so in it left. If you want to continue the path it has been on, start PFC up and you will see it happen. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 3901	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:11:00 - [18] - Quote I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1004	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:15:00 - [19] - Quote Hey, I have 1k likes now.... Yes, I agree...just regulate within the community. It has been proven that the community can do great things when it pulls together. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
noobsniper the 2nd Inner.Hell 523	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:18:00 - [20] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) More info to come. If this interests you post here. Shouldn't someone who can kick ass be the one enforcing? I think I should get Nyain to start getting plenty of Districts. FINE Ill protect pfc with my god mode hacks jeez I better be getting payed for this Canadian, EH MAG vet raven ftw Pre 1.8 scout don't throw me in with that rift raft

Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 3903	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:18:00 - [21] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Hey, I have 1k likes now.... Yes, I agree...just regulate within the community. It has been proven that the community can do great things when it pulls together. Welcome to Forum Warrior L1. A whole new world is now open to you. Enjoy it. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 215	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:22:00 - [22] - Quote There is just too much bitching and moaning about PFCs. Whenever anyone strays from the path of a 16v16 honorable battle, the forums just fugging blow up and half drown in the QQ. It becomes a lot for the person managing PFC to handle. Then PFC just becomes such a volatile environment filled with excuses. It's a much better time whenever these mid-tier up and coming PC corps just own a couple districts that they can do whatever they want. FA/OH/ RA will normally always try to be contracted for PCs and give too much advantage in what "fair" PCs people are looking for. What has been talked about, is a community effort AFTER THE WAR WITH ERA GONE, to keep donuts from forming and stopping anyone that is coming too large in power. We WANT a diverse PC environment and there is just too many good squads of people that have not had opportunities to step in the PC world as they do not have a full team yet. This is most due to how steep the competition curve was when DNS was around.
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2815	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:23:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. This sounds best to be honest, PFC, IMO was a sham after looking at it for a while, but this would be nice. I AM 1337 Approved
Brutal BRUTAS Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:27:00 - [24] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you. No Locking. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia Abandoned Privilege Subsonic Synthesis More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again. when escrow is gone we will all meet up and discuss. nyain wants everyone to pc. if you think we cheat, you probably just suck really bad.
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1005	Posted - 2014.05.12 15:29:00 - [25] - Quote Brutal BRUTAS wrote: Hawkin P wrote: So I am looking to rebuild PFC. I believe every corp. that can field a team deserves to get their own district. To practice PC. because CCP in their own (lack of) wisdom forgot to put in a way into the game to practice PC. Without PFC we can't expect new players/corps to ever be able to compete in PC. So I am looking to make a simpler PFC without fees. Rules will be simple. Starting with. Your corp must be able to field a whole team to field a whole team (16 players) to qualify. You can't take someones district permanently, if you take someones district, you have approx. 48 hours to return it to them, or you forfeit your right to a PFC district. Instead of paying into PFC. If someone not on PFC takes your district, and you need help getting it back, you need to keep you own nest egg to hire mercs to get it back. PFC community will help you if you deserve help. You must be actively using your district. Or I will just be that annoying prick that keeps attacking you, to stomp you. No Locking. I am not looking to fill the planet with corps but I am looking to give every corp that wants a district and has to the people to train on one a district. This is just a rough draft. More to come I just want corps to know they will be able to play that biggest part of the game again. Corps already with a district: KEQ Hellstorm Sam-Mik Quebec United (Coming Soon) Dystopia Abandoned Privilege Subsonic Synthesis More info to come. If this interests you post here. Especially if you have ideas to make PFC better than it was. Thanks to everyone that helped make this possible again. when escrow is gone we will all meet up and discuss. nyain wants everyone to pc. that would be best Brutas. "CCP encourages respect, dialog, interaction and cooperation on a deeper level between its employees and customers"
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 904	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:26:00 - [26] - Quote Dust hedge is best hedge! Why can't I be the hedge? Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *Biomassed Said I was Dust Famous* I once owned half of a district.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:38:00 - [27] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. I would like to know that the rebirth of PFC is not the official stance of Molon Labe. I hope it is not, otherwise we'll have issues and Thor and I usually see eye to eye, so it'd be a shame. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 4905	Posted - 2014.05.12 16:41:00 - [28] - Quote HvLP would like to be a part of any new rebuilding of PFC. We'd even help it out when needed. o/ n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Hawkin P molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 379	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:02:00 - [29] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. OK instead of calling it PFC think of all corps having a Home District. Every serious corp that field a team gets one, fights and wars can occur but you can't take a corps home district. That would prevent any corp from being wiped off the face of PC. My goal is to make sure that everycorp that can field a full team and wants to play in pc, can play in PC. Because when corps or players get removed from PC it hurts the game, and our player base shrinks just a little more.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 856	Posted - 2014.05.12 17:09:00 - [30] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Ares 514 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district. Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. OK instead of calling it PFC think of all corps having a Home District. Every serious corp that field a team gets one, fights and wars can occur but you can't take a corps home district. That would prevent any corp from being wiped off the face of PC. My goal is to make sure that everycorp that can field a full team and wants to play in pc, can play in PC. Because when corps or players get removed from PC it hurts the game, and our player base shrinks just a little more. You don't need a district to do PC and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. Now hopefully CCP tweaks the numbers on PC to prevent farming incentives to own everything and reduces the clone pack cost and increases it's size. What we need is the larger corps to control their urge to take everything so that there are more districts available for the smaller corps to fight over with the same real PC risks of loosing that district. Now once in a while a smaller corp will be in the 'way' of a bigger corp and get wiped off a district. But if they're half decent they can go fight over another district with a corp more their skill level. This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over. CCP continues to make the wrong choices, one choice at a time. aka Legion.



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