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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:20:00 -
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I will personally do everything in my power to stop the disgrace that was PFC from being reborn.
Go get a district and have fun fighting PC battles everywhere! Stop trying to tell corps what they can do in one certain area and not allow districts to be flipped. If you can't hold a district you don't deserve it. Plain and simple.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:22:00 -
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I will also add that perhaps some of he stronger corps can refrain from taking an excessive number of districts so that a much larger number of corps can enjoy PC battles.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 16:38:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district.
Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed.
Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible.
I would like to know that the rebirth of PFC is not the official stance of Molon Labe. I hope it is not, otherwise we'll have issues and Thor and I usually see eye to eye, so it'd be a shame.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 17:09:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'd personally rather see a system where people just refrain from completely wiping people out of PC. It sounds like a carebear way to do things, but nobody is getting rich off of one district.
Saves a lot of the BS if everyone just tries to keep corps capable and willing to field full teams on the map. If they start using ringers to gain more territory or whatever then their situation can be reassessed. Exactly, if possible avoid wiping talented corps of the star map whenever possible. OK instead of calling it PFC think of all corps having a Home District. Every serious corp that field a team gets one, fights and wars can occur but you can't take a corps home district. That would prevent any corp from being wiped off the face of PC. My goal is to make sure that everycorp that can field a full team and wants to play in pc, can play in PC. Because when corps or players get removed from PC it hurts the game, and our player base shrinks just a little more.
You don't need a district to do PC and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. Now hopefully CCP tweaks the numbers on PC to prevent farming incentives to own everything and reduces the clone pack cost and increases it's size.
What we need is the larger corps to control their urge to take everything so that there are more districts available for the smaller corps to fight over with the same real PC risks of loosing that district. Now once in a while a smaller corp will be in the 'way' of a bigger corp and get wiped off a district. But if they're half decent they can go fight over another district with a corp more their skill level.
This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:16:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:Ares 514 wrote:You don't need a district to do PC Yes you really do, need a district to play in PC otherwise you have to spend a large amount of ISK, just to get some practice for your corp. To newer corps 36 mil is alot of ISK. With only tax as your income it takes awhile to make that. Ares 514 wrote: and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. You are forgetting the 1 requirement you need to get a district. You need to consistently be able to field a whole team of your own players. I can't think of 24 corps that can do that. Ares 514 wrote:This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over.
There are risks associated with war you take districts you can lose districts. Telling the larger corps not to take all of the smaller corps land is pretty much the same thing I am saying, I'm just spelling it out in Black & White which district shouldn't be taken. So the smaller corps can still train and practice PC without having to pay 36mil for a easily beatable 120 clone pack.
Trust me, I more then most know about the costs of clone packs, we have purchased A LOT and never had the ISK from farming to pay for them. This is why i'm a firm supporter of them being decreased in price. I personally prefer 10mil. I do actually believe CCP will get around to tweaking this number at some point, hopefully soon. I'm sure they'll even call it a BIG change. Sigh.
Your approaching it from the wrong angle. Districts need to be fought over. Without loss their is no real PC. It's to hard and stupid to try to enforce rules upon who can do what where on a district by district basis. Now an agreement amoung a few stronger corps where they say that anyone with more then x districts is their enemy is another thing.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:36:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Hawkin P wrote:Yes you really do, need a district to play in PC otherwise you have to spend a large amount of ISK, just to get some practice for your corp. To newer corps 36 mil is alot of ISK. With only tax as your income it takes awhile to make that. Ares 514 wrote: and the number of corps that would claim to be able to hold one that couldn't would be crazy. You are forgetting the 1 requirement you need to get a district. You need to consistently be able to field a whole team of your own players. I can't think of 24 corps that can do that. Ares 514 wrote:This is war, their must be risks associated with owning ANY district. If the stronger of us can refrain from taking everything there will be lots of districts for the weaker corps to fight over.
There are risks associated with war you take districts you can lose districts. Telling the larger corps not to take all of the smaller corps land is pretty much the same thing I am saying, I'm just spelling it out in Black & White which district shouldn't be taken. So the smaller corps can still train and practice PC without having to pay 36mil for a easily beatable 120 clone pack. Trust me, I more then most know about the costs of clone packs, we have purchased A LOT and never had the ISK from farming to pay for them. This is why i'm a firm supporter of them being decreased in price. I personally prefer 10mil. I do actually believe CCP will get around to tweaking this number at some point, hopefully soon. I'm sure they'll even call it a BIG change. Sigh. Your approaching it from the wrong angle. Districts need to be fought over. Without loss their is no real PC. It's to hard and stupid to try to enforce rules upon who can do what where on a district by district basis. Now an agreement amoung a few stronger corps where they say that anyone with more then x districts is their enemy is another thing. CCP didn't add a way for people to grow as a corp together easily. PFC is a community solution to that. There's no way any new PFC will be regulated or policed, though.
It's a bad vision that needs to be put to rest. There are much better ways of getting more corps into PC. Lets see how it all falls out before someone tries to bring back this horrible idea.
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Ares 514
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Posted - 2014.05.12 18:53:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:
If 80% of MH weren't still going to be controlled by top tier corps I'd agree, but MH hasn't changed from DNS's passing. It's only become more disorganized.
PFC will still be needed.
I think if AE honours their commitments and gives up the majority of their districts (hopefully NS joins in with some of theirs too) then it will provide much more of a playground then you might anticipate.
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