Maybe you've misunderstood me.....Legion (like probably EVERY single game) will be better on the pc because the restrictions are not the same. I totally get that...but how does that benefit the playstation console gamer?

This isn't one of those romance movies where the guy is happy for the girl he wants to be with even if she's with another man (if that's what makes her happy). Playstation console gamers feel burned. This isn't even a title like BF where you have BF2 or BF3. There is no persistence in those games, so you expect those games to die for the new one. If they change the platform...it's ok because you weren't expecting a long term commitment.

But this game was supposed to be persistent and everyone was looking and thinking long term. Spending real money on a free game in support of the game, spending real time on the game, etc. Some of these guys just pub but have no idea the level of commitment that a pc active corp has to have in this game. And now for what?? We are playstation console gamers...not pc gamers. We just got shafted

Right on Dubbs. Besides, I completely fail to comprehend how people can keep sweeping under the rug the fact that CCP specifically lied to their player base while purposefully encouraging them to purchase boosters for a now dead game. I could even be much more understanding of it if they provided a 100% guarantee of full character transfers to Legion, but that isn't there. What burned me wasn't CCP moving it to an upgraded platform (whether it would've been PC or PS4), it was them giving out completely false pretenses to the entire player base. Originally I was giving serious thought to continuing with Legion on PC, but I will not be a part of a company that purposefully lies to increase profit margins on something that they will shortly eliminate completely.

Like, what is it that bothers you specifically?

COX Z had a glorious layout of the gameplay changes and how they're implementing character progression. It's just conceptual at the moment, but I feel it's far better in the long haul. Things like ditching skill levels in favor of single-cost unlocks, role-based progressions with meaningful skill trees to associate with them and the nyxxing of power levels (advanced/proto nonsense). There's a lot more than graphical bits but the graphical bits do play a lot more of a role like thick fog that lessens your vision and more deadly weather aspects like meteor showers.

But that's just it: they DID announce a full character transfer. The specifics might be a bit different but the impact your character made, your identity and your level of progression are all on board for migration. They have publicly said that this is their top priority, with their second being your aurum investment.

But that's just it: they DID announce a full character transfer. The specifics might be a bit different but the impact your character made, your identity and your level of progression are all on board for migration. They have publicly said that this is their top priority, with their second being your aurum investment.

yeah, that's not what they said. they said 'applicable skills and items'.

guess who gets to decide what's 'applicable'. some former ea developer.

Porting a PS3 version to the PS4 would have resulted either in a very low quality PS4 game, or a clear divide between those who played on the PS3, and those who played on the PS4

It definitely sucks that this is the way it has to go, but you have more hope for a good, quality PS4 port from a PC version than you ever did from a PS3 version.

All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that.

Okay, so I was going to wait until I got back to the states before I commented on everything but I've got a few hours until my flight and a ten hour layover later on. Be aware, I'm on a tablet so typing kind of sucks.

I understand you guys are frustrated and it's entirely reasonable. No-one can blame you. However, I heard some crazy stories here at FanFest on how you guys were reacting and I couldn't help but weigh my voice in (because you guys totally care about my grizzly smoker vocals, right?). First off, dude - don't biomass your characters... Nothing about that makes any sense. Project Legion isn't even a working thing, it's a prototype. A prototype that hasn't even been set in stone yet. We could stick with Dust as it is currently, we could migrate to Legion, but either case: deleting r characters is just silly. One way or another your investments are going to stick and/or carry over so it's stupid to just throw that away in a knee jerk reaction. And even if you quit, keep your characters in case you change your mind in the future whenever it's more calm.

Secondly, if you see past the platform change and the trademark/name confusion, this -IS- what we've all been asking for. More meaningful character progression, better graphics, gameplay elements, etc. This is what we've been waiting for all this time and it simply was not possible on the aging PlayStation 3.

Thirdly, guys... Be real with yourselves here. Developers who no longer even work at CCP made promises last year that they couldn't deliver, anger ensues... Now, CCP does everything possible to avoid promising stuff they can't 100% deliver and anger ensues? It doesn't make much sense, it's contradictory to what we've argued so hard about in the past. We need them to be honest like they have, to not promise something if they're not positive they can do it. To be clear, the only thing they've promised is that -IF- we go to Legion, our characters will migrate. They haven't even promised Legion yet.

Fourthly, guys, the PS3 is very old. We already have the PS4, so the console Dust is on is very aged and is not capable of doing what CCP wants to develop and what we want to experience. It takes CCP time to send updates through to the PS3, and as we've experienced they haven't really been free to update quickly (something necessary with Dust's design structure) with that delay. Further more, they never ruled out PlayStation 4. In fact, with both PC and the PS4 operating on x86 architecture and similar specifications, porting a complete product to the PS4 is far easier and more streamlined than with PS3 where everything has to be stripped just to run the game. But in order to do that, we need something that can be rapidly altered to make it work, and be functional as a whole that can be done correctly. Just as well, they can't promise what they can't 100% deliver.

So, maybe that helps - maybe it doesn't. Being here at Fanfest I can see the CPM and community celebrities (yeah, that's right, I'm throwing you forum wizards undder the bus =P) expressing YOUR emotions to the developers and actively working to rectify all of this. Your voices are being signal boosted far more precisely than any other time in the history of Dust.

Anyway, that's all I really had to say. I'm open to any questions and what not if you'd like to know more from the round-tables that weren't answered on the stream, perhaps offer some of my insight and speculation, as long as they're constructive.

No, we were promised Legion, but we were sold Dust. That is very different, and one of the reasons why a lot of us are upset.

What a load of BS. PC offers nothing that's better than PS except for graphics which most ppl here don't give a damn about. I love your logic: "CCP hired a bunch of incompetent ppl that held positions high enough to talk on the behalf of CCP but it's not CCP's fault that a) they chose dated hardware and promised to stick with it b) made all the improbable promises c) had garbage pile execution or even total abandonment of things that could have been done and had been done with ease by other developers on PS3 YEARS AGO d) jumping ship now after milking the community dry.

ever played an ea game that didn't make you want to throw up?.

The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".

What does that tell you?

Well you have to admit to technical limitations.

There is still hope for a PS4 port. I don't know what to tell you guys. Would you really rather DUST just disappears into irrelevance on the PS3, rather than becoming what it was always supposed to be, with an actual possibility of a quality port to the PS4? The PS3 version was never going to reasonably be ported, it just wasn't going to happen.

This is a matter of realistic expectations, of what can ACTUALLY be done. Either we settle for a barely mediocre niche game with slight ties to EVE, or we push forward, and have the game this was always supposed to be.

Okay, so I was going to wait until I got back to the states before I commented on everything but I've got a few hours until my flight and a ten hour layover later on. Be aware, I'm on a tablet so typing kind of sucks.

I understand you guys are frustrated and it's entirely reasonable. No-one can blame you. However, I heard some crazy stories here at FanFest on how you guys were reacting and I couldn't help but weigh my voice in (because you guys totally care about my grizzly smoker vocals, right?). First off, dude - don't biomass your characters... Nothing about that makes any sense. Project Legion isn't even a working thing, it's a prototype. A prototype that hasn't even been set in stone yet. We could stick with Dust as it is currently, we could migrate to Legion, but either case: deleting r characters is just silly. One way or another your investments are going to stick and/or carry over so it's stupid to just throw that away in a knee jerk reaction. And even if you quit, keep your characters in case you change your mind in the future whenever it's more calm.

Secondly, if you see past the platform change and the trademark/name confusion, this -IS- what we've all been asking for. More meaningful character progression, better graphics, gameplay elements, etc. This is what we've been waiting for all this time and it simply was not possible on the aging PlayStation 3.

Thirdly, guys... Be real with yourselves here. Developers who no longer even work at CCP made promises last year that they couldn't deliver, anger ensues... Now, CCP does everything possible to avoid promising stuff they can't 100% deliver and anger ensues? It doesn't make much sense, it's contradictory to what we've argued so hard about in the past. We need them to be honest like they have, to not promise something if they're not positive they can do it. To be clear, the only thing they've promised is that -IF- we go to Legion, our characters will migrate. They haven't even promised Legion yet.

Fourthly, guys, the PS3 is very old. We already have the PS4, so the console Dust is on is very aged and is not capable of doing what CCP wants to develop and what we want to experience. It takes CCP time to send updates through to the PS3, and as we've experienced they haven't really been free to update quickly (something necessary with Dust's design structure) with that delay. Further more, they never ruled out PlayStation 4. In fact, with both PC and the PS4 operating on x86 architecture and similar specifications, porting a complete product to the PS4 is far easier and more streamlined than with PS3 where everything has to be stripped just to run the game. But in order to do that, we need something that can be rapidly altered to make it work, and be functional as a whole that can be done correctly. Just as well, they can't promise what they can't 100% deliver.

So, maybe that helps - maybe it doesn't. Being here at Fanfest I can see the CPM and community celebrities (yeah, that's right, I'm throwing you forum wizards undder the bus =P) expressing YOUR emotions to the developers and actively working to rectify all of this. Your voices are being signal boosted far more precisely than any other time in the history of Dust.

Anyway, that's all I really had to say. I'm open to any questions and what not if you'd like to know more from the round-tables that weren't answered on the stream, perhaps offer some of my insight and speculation, as long as they're constructive.

I'm waaaaaay too tired to give you a proper response right now man, but I feel your pain. I'm in no way defending CCP's actions leading up to this point, I'm merely agreeing with Legion as being the best possible step forward.

It's gonna take a long time to heal this wound, I just hope that in time, we can all come to a compromise that works for as many people as possible. I want to see you all in Legion, kicking the **** out of my ****** little corp and giving me a run for my money. I don't want to see anyone get burned, but at the same time, I want this game to succeed.

Sleep is needed, I'll try to respond better tomorrow

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I'm a former fast food worker. Doesn't affect my current cooking skills at all and it surely doesn't affect my ability to draw up amazing stuff for the tattoo industry. Previous work, especially simple affiliation, does not dictate expertise or skill. People are angry, that's fine - I get it, it's cool. Preaching to the choir. But it had to happen eventually and ultimately it's the best decision I've heard yet. People are blind to the fact that they're delivering on what we wanted because of a platform change, and yes some will be alienated from it... but it's still Dropsuits shooting face in New Eden. It's what we wanted, and it was CCP's call on how to make it a reality.

How do you know they never had plans to leave PS3? Because they didn't tell you?

People take things far too literally. So the guy used the wrong words, wow, oh no. At the time, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that.

Here's hoping Legion gets the green light because it's the game DUST was always supposed to be.

I also find it funny how in one post, you say they had no plans to leave the PS3, yet in the very next post, you say you expected ("wouldn't mind") it to go to the PS4. So, which is it? If you want a PS4 port, you should be PUSHING for Legion, since it will be easier for them to port AND be higher quality.

Aeon,

I appreciate the content of your post and ..SNIP

are the lighting effects really what needs work to make dust a better game?

are the lights reflecting off of the ground what dust needs to be a better game?

what did the demo show that wasn't COMPLETELY aesthetic? they showed nothing. no ewar. no parcour. they even messed up their scripted demo when rouge called the tank pilot 'down' while the tank was still firing.

there was nothing in the keynotes to make us think dust is worth playing for another year.

if ccp's 10 year development plan for dust lasted 10 months, and we spent 18 months in beta... doesn't it stand to reason that legion will suffer the same fate?

I think Aeon needs a few days away from the CCP Icelandic cult cooties so he can sit down and process this clusterfuck without the starstruck "experience" he just had.

The butthurt is immensely strong in this one.

Let me repeat some things as your responses are becoming repetitive of a common theme.

This dev team guiding Dust to where it needs to be? Not the same team as back in 2013. Most of those devs are gone for whatever speculatory reason, and with them any promises they over-hyped. All of this stuff about "Oh, they promised us MTACs soon not TMtm" or what have you. It's pretty much clear, and has been for a while, that those promises were from someone who clearly overestimated their capabilities and we now have a much more competent, focused team with a clear and set goal that is 100% unmistakable, even though it may not be for consoles just yet, and that is to make Dust what it was promised.

Yes, it's a real in. Yes, it's a rehash. Yes, it has all the bells and whistles, but more importantly it has a STAGGERING increase in quality from what we have now. I mean, FFS you can't even hear anything behind you in Dust because of an animation optimization to make the game run better - that's not good, that's very very bad and those compromises are what was holding Dust back. So, yes, it's not promising new content but it is functional from what we've seen and largely capable.

And as far as all the sales? Back in 1.4 they had a sale on contact grenades. Why? Because they were selling like hotcakes. Why? Because they were broken, but inevitably marketing was doing their job just without context. It's a completely separate issue though and has nothing to do with anything related to Fanfest other than a sense of betrayal but the community was going to feel that no matter what, to be quite frank.

Focus on the future, not the past. Legion is leaps and bounds ahead of what we have and it's time to shift our feedback to making it stellar, while hitting up the low hanging fruit in Dust.

Clever, you come up with that all by yourself?

tastzlike chicken should be drowning in likes right now.