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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:16:00 -
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Okay, so I was going to wait until I got back to the states before I commented on everything but I've got a few hours until my flight and a ten hour layover later on. Be aware, I'm on a tablet so typing kind of sucks.
I understand you guys are frustrated and it's entirely reasonable. No-one can blame you. However, I heard some crazy stories here at FanFest on how you guys were reacting and I couldn't help but weigh my voice in (because you guys totally care about my grizzly smoker vocals, right?). First off, dude - don't biomass your characters... Nothing about that makes any sense. Project Legion isn't even a working thing, it's a prototype. A prototype that hasn't even been set in stone yet. We could stick with Dust as it is currently, we could migrate to Legion, but either case: deleting r characters is just silly. One way or another your investments are going to stick and/or carry over so it's stupid to just throw that away in a knee jerk reaction. And even if you quit, keep your characters in case you change your mind in the future whenever it's more calm.
Secondly, if you see past the platform change and the trademark/name confusion, this -IS- what we've all been asking for. More meaningful character progression, better graphics, gameplay elements, etc. This is what we've been waiting for all this time and it simply was not possible on the aging PlayStation 3.
Thirdly, guys... Be real with yourselves here. Developers who no longer even work at CCP made promises last year that they couldn't deliver, anger ensues... Now, CCP does everything possible to avoid promising stuff they can't 100% deliver and anger ensues? It doesn't make much sense, it's contradictory to what we've argued so hard about in the past. We need them to be honest like they have, to not promise something if they're not positive they can do it. To be clear, the only thing they've promised is that -IF- we go to Legion, our characters will migrate. They haven't even promised Legion yet.
Fourthly, guys, the PS3 is very old. We already have the PS4, so the console Dust is on is very aged and is not capable of doing what CCP wants to develop and what we want to experience. It takes CCP time to send updates through to the PS3, and as we've experienced they haven't really been free to update quickly (something necessary with Dust's design structure) with that delay. Further more, they never ruled out PlayStation 4. In fact, with both PC and the PS4 operating on x86 architecture and similar specifications, porting a complete product to the PS4 is far easier and more streamlined than with PS3 where everything has to be stripped just to run the game. But in order to do that, we need something that can be rapidly altered to make it work, and be functional as a whole that can be done correctly. Just as well, they can't promise what they can't 100% deliver.
So, maybe that helps - maybe it doesn't. Being here at Fanfest I can see the CPM and community celebrities (yeah, that's right, I'm throwing you forum wizards undder the bus =P) expressing YOUR emotions to the developers and actively working to rectify all of this. Your voices are being signal boosted far more precisely than any other time in the history of Dust.
Anyway, that's all I really had to say. I'm open to any questions and what not if you'd like to know more from the round-tables that weren't answered on the stream, perhaps offer some of my insight and speculation, as long as they're constructive.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:18:00 -
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Preach!
If possible ask them if they have any plans to bring back logistics vehicles, specifically logistics dropships.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1641
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:21:00 -
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ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5567
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:25:00 -
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low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp.
And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1641
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:26:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve.
ever played an ea game that didn't make you want to throw up?
me neither.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5567
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:35:00 -
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low genius wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve. ever played an ea game that didn't make you want to throw up? me neither.
Lol, attacking a person's character is kind of low but I guess the name suits you =P
Nah, listen man - it's awesome. It really is. Once the shock kind of settles and everyone gets a better grasp of things, I think you'll all see that the game has progressed by leaps and bounds and was TOTALLY NECESSARY in order for us to -BE- that clone soldier on the frontline instead of just some spreadsheet silhouette who walks around for five minutes before getting aced.
Like, what is it that bothers you specifically?
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
2992
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:39:00 -
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The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
2992
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:41:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve.
You are not understanding that we as playstation console players are not going to play pc just for legion. If we were pc gamers, then we wouldn't mind. We would welcome the new change......that's why we wouldn't mind if it went to the ps4.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13927
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you? How do you know they never had plans to leave PS3? Because they didn't tell you?
People take things far too literally. So the guy used the wrong words, wow, oh no. At the time, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that.
Here's hoping Legion gets the green light because it's the game DUST was always supposed to be.
I also find it funny how in one post, you say they had no plans to leave the PS3, yet in the very next post, you say you expected it to go to the PS4. So, which is it?
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5319
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:47:00 -
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The thing I hate about CCP is that they flip flop worse than Mitt Romney... You literally can't rely on them for ANYTHING.
Having an unreliable game developer sucks.
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5570
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:49:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you?
Here's the thing man. We have a LOT of new Devs on the crew and they're not "laser focused on the PS3". This is a callback to an older sort of era before the decision was that the hardware limitations just weren't going to cut it. Imo, it should have never even been a PS3 title because of the new technology we have but it's important to remember that they started this game back in 2009, when the PS3 was alive and well.
Legion has only been worked on for a few months. It's the redirection of the new Devs coming in, seeing the starlight that was Dust's original concept and basically making the fundamental decision to focus efforts onto making that a reality rather than struggling o accommodate it on nearly dead hardware. It's a very recent decision and if you backtrack a while you can actually get an idea of when it started happening because all communication, even from some of the CPM, flat out died because they literally could not discuss this stuff at such an early stage. Fact is: It's so new, so fresh, that the previous philosophies were almost entirely over-ridden because they simply were not working for a long term, enjoyable experience.
And yes, the communication about all of this was bad. They should not have announced this at Fanfest because it is so jarring but it's a point of inevitability in that they had to announce it sometime, somehow, and it was going to suck no matter what. The cards just fell the way they did.
Bear in mind, this is all my theory as from what I've learned since being at the round tables and such. No-one outright told me this.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1646
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve. ever played an ea game that didn't make you want to throw up? me neither. Lol, attacking a person's character is kind of low but I guess the name suits you =P Nah, listen man - it's awesome. It really is. Once the shock kind of settles and everyone gets a better grasp of things, I think you'll all see that the game has progressed by leaps and bounds and was TOTALLY NECESSARY in order for us to -BE- that clone soldier on the frontline instead of just some spreadsheet silhouette who walks around for five minutes before getting aced. Like, what is it that bothers you specifically?
are the lighting effects really what needs work to make dust a better game?
are the lights reflecting off of the ground what dust needs to be a better game?
what did the demo show that wasn't COMPLETELY aesthetic? they showed nothing. no ewar. no parcour. they even messed up their scripted demo when rouge called the tank pilot 'down' while the tank was still firing.
there was nothing in the keynotes to make us think dust is worth playing for another year.
if ccp's 10 year development plan for dust lasted 10 months, and we spent 18 months in beta... doesn't it stand to reason that legion will suffer the same fate?
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5570
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:51:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The thing I hate about CCP is that they flip flop worse than Mitt Romney... You literally can't rely on them for ANYTHING.
Having an unreliable game developer sucks.
Not the same developers. Brandon Laurino (the dude who promised Macs) has been gone since July.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
2994
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you? How do you know they never had plans to leave PS3? Because they didn't tell you? People take things far too literally. So the guy used the wrong words, wow, oh no. At the time, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that. Here's hoping Legion gets the green light because it's the game DUST was always supposed to be. I also find it funny how in one post, you say they had no plans to leave the PS3, yet in the very next post, you say you expected ("wouldn't mind") it to go to the PS4. So, which is it? If you want a PS4 port, you should be PUSHING for Legion, since it will be easier for them to port AND be higher quality.
Wait...that doesn't make sense to you? I expected it to go to the ps4 but CCP burned my expectations when they said they were laser focused on the ps3. Not sure if I can write that clearer.
I'm not pushing for anything that isn't going to be on the playstation (3 or 4). I'm not a pc gamer...so why would I push it for the pc?? Because it'll be easier to port for ps4 doesn't mean that they will port it to the ps4. If they announced that Legion will be on the ps4, then I would have been glad. But placing it on a platform that I don't play..doesn't benefit me at all.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1646
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:53:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve. You are not understanding that we as playstation console players are not going to play pc just for legion. If we were pc gamers, then we wouldn't mind. We would welcome the new change......that's why we wouldn't mind if it went to the ps4.
i would play pc for legion. that's the thing. i don't care where the game is at.
our game is no more. our skillpoints are valueless. our time is wasted.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Final Resolution.
1521
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:54:00 -
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No. That is not the point to take away from this FanFest. Allow me to go through how I felt hearing the DUST 514 keynote.
"DUST 514 on the PC? Awesome! That means our game can grow! I wonder what that means for the PS3." Keynote ends. "What? That's it? What about my character, my AUR, my BPO's, my SP?" Dev blog comes out that states Legion is a separate project and DUST 514 will become an arcade shooter. "So the game I have been waiting for is not DUST 514 but this Legion? So did I just wait over 200 dollars and 1,000 hours playing this game with the hope and promise it would be something better?"
Look at every other panel that FanFest had; they were longer, they had more people in the audience, and they had more developers/community managers in them. The DUST 514 Progression and More Sand in the Box were entirely about Legion. Watching the CCP keynote, I got the distinct idea that Hilmar had Rouge come out only because of the storm that was going on. During that, all he said was "we will continue to work on DUST and will see if transferring assets is possible, especially if I get the green light from this man." And that was it.
Simply put, the thing to take away from this FanFest is "CCP has zero respect for the DUST 514 community based on the fact that every presentation was about a separate game and no QA after the keynote to answer some of the most basic questions." You see blogs about the CPM and CSM that state "we have known about this for months and were urging CCP to tell the community sooner"... but that didn't happen.
All that had to change was to have all the features about DUST 514 talked about during the keynote, things to work on, a few buzz words, and bring out NOT Project Legion but "DUST 514 on the PC." There would be some concern over the console only people, which is a real **** move by CCP, but it could have been handled by some calm, rational explanation. But, no. CCP didn't care that the community was left in a frenzy for 24 hours and the only thing to calm us was a "we will see what we can do about asset transfer."
CCP: This is the most despicable thing I have ever seen a company do to its customers.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
133
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:54:00 -
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I wonder who is responsible for creating the Stupidest Topic of Biomass your characters. I bet that Son of A ***** told other idiots to delete there characters for legion but as of right now. If you deleted your character, nice going genius.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13927
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:56:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Wait...that doesn't make sense to you? I expected it to go to the ps4 but CCP burned my expectations when they said they were laser focused on the ps3. Not sure if I can write that clearer.
I'm not pushing for anything that isn't going to be on the playstation (3 or 4). I'm not a pc gamer...so why would I push it for the pc?? Because it'll be easier to port for ps4 doesn't mean that they will port it to the ps4. If they announced that Legion will be on the ps4, then I would have been glad. But placing it on a platform that I don't play..doesn't benefit me at all. Porting a PS3 version to the PS4 would have resulted either in a very low quality PS4 game, or a clear divide between those who played on the PS3, and those who played on the PS4
It definitely sucks that this is the way it has to go, but you have more hope for a good, quality PS4 port from a PC version than you ever did from a PS3 version.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
5570
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:56:00 -
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low genius wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve. ever played an ea game that didn't make you want to throw up? me neither. Lol, attacking a person's character is kind of low but I guess the name suits you =P Nah, listen man - it's awesome. It really is. Once the shock kind of settles and everyone gets a better grasp of things, I think you'll all see that the game has progressed by leaps and bounds and was TOTALLY NECESSARY in order for us to -BE- that clone soldier on the frontline instead of just some spreadsheet silhouette who walks around for five minutes before getting aced. Like, what is it that bothers you specifically? are the lighting effects really what needs work to make dust a better game? are the lights reflecting off of the ground what dust needs to be a better game? what did the demo show that wasn't COMPLETELY aesthetic? they showed nothing. no ewar. no parcour. they even messed up their scripted demo when rouge called the tank pilot 'down' while the tank was still firing. there was nothing in the keynotes to make us think dust is worth playing for another year. if ccp's 10 year development plan for dust lasted 10 months, and we spent 18 months in beta... doesn't it stand to reason that legion will suffer the same fate?
COX Z had a glorious layout of the gameplay changes and how they're implementing character progression. It's just conceptual at the moment, but I feel it's far better in the long haul. Things like ditching skill levels in favor of single-cost unlocks, role-based progressions with meaningful skill trees to associate with them and the nyxxing of power levels (advanced/proto nonsense). There's a lot more than graphical bits but the graphical bits do play a lot more of a role like thick fog that lessens your vision and more deadly weather aspects like meteor showers.
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
133
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:56:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:No. That is not the point to take away from this FanFest. Allow me to go through how I felt hearing the DUST 514 keynote.
"DUST 514 on the PC? Awesome! That means our game can grow! I wonder what that means for the PS3." Keynote ends. "What? That's it? What about my character, my AUR, my BPO's, my SP?" Dev blog comes out that states Legion is a separate project and DUST 514 will become an arcade shooter. "So the game I have been waiting for is not DUST 514 but this Legion? So did I just wait over 200 dollars and 1,000 hours playing this game with the hope and promise it would be something better?"
Look at every other panel that FanFest had; they were longer, they had more people in the audience, and they had more developers/community managers in them. The DUST 514 Progression and More Sand in the Box were entirely about Legion. Watching the CCP keynote, I got the distinct idea that Hilmar had Rouge come out only because of the storm that was going on. During that, all he said was "we will continue to work on DUST and will see if transferring assets is possible, especially if I get the green light from this man." And that was it.
Simply put, the thing to take away from this FanFest is "CCP has zero respect for the DUST 514 community based on the fact that every presentation was about a separate game and no QA after the keynote to answer some of the most basic questions." You see blogs about the CPM and CSM that state "we have known about this for months and were urging CCP to tell the community sooner"... but that didn't happen.
All that had to change was to have all the features about DUST 514 talked about during the keynote, things to work on, a few buzz words, and bring out NOT Project Legion but "DUST 514 on the PC." There would be some concern over the console only people, which is a real **** move by CCP, but it could have been handled by some calm, rational explanation. But, no. CCP didn't care that the community was left in a frenzy for 24 hours and the only thing to calm us was a "we will see what we can do about asset transfer."
CCP: This is the most despicable thing I have ever seen a company do to its customers.
You should see my topic CCP Read this. You will be shocked that this isnt the first time ccp has fuckws up the community.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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Nstomper
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
530
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:59:00 -
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Quote:We already have the PS4
we all wanted ccp to move dust on to ps4 which means we wanted a change but of course ccp were the ones who said " we have no plans for it to be on ps4"which in reality was one of the dumbest things they could have said. |
pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 03:59:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
2998
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:01:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you? Here's the thing man. We have a LOT of new Devs on the crew and they're not "laser focused on the PS3". This is a callback to an older sort of era before the decision was that the hardware limitations just weren't going to cut it. Imo, it should have never even been a PS3 title because of the new technology we have but it's important to remember that they started this game back in 2009, when the PS3 was alive and well. Legion has only been worked on for a few months. It's the redirection of the new Devs coming in, seeing the starlight that was Dust's original concept and basically making the fundamental decision to focus efforts onto making that a reality rather than struggling o accommodate it on nearly dead hardware. It's a very recent decision and if you backtrack a while you can actually get an idea of when it started happening because all communication, even from some of the CPM, flat out died because they literally could not discuss this stuff at such an early stage. Fact is: It's so new, so fresh, that the previous philosophies were almost entirely over-ridden because they simply were not working for a long term, enjoyable experience. And yes, the communication about all of this was bad. They should not have announced this at Fanfest because it is so jarring but it's a point of inevitability in that they had to announce it sometime, somehow, and it was going to suck no matter what. The cards just fell the way they did. Bear in mind, this is all my theory as from what I've learned since being at the round tables and such. No-one outright told me this.
Maybe you've misunderstood me.....Legion (like probably EVERY single game) will be better on the pc because the restrictions are not the same. I totally get that...but how does that benefit the playstation console gamer?
This isn't one of those romance movies where the guy is happy for the girl he wants to be with even if she's with another man (if that's what makes her happy). Playstation console gamers feel burned. This isn't even a title like BF where you have BF2 or BF3. There is no persistence in those games, so you expect those games to die for the new one. If they change the platform...it's ok because you weren't expecting a long term commitment.
But this game was supposed to be persistent and everyone was looking and thinking long term. Spending real money on a free game in support of the game, spending real time on the game, etc. Some of these guys just pub but have no idea the level of commitment that a pc active corp has to have in this game. And now for what?? We are playstation console gamers...not pc gamers. We just got shafted
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
612
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:02:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you? How do you know they never had plans to leave PS3? Because they didn't tell you? People take things far too literally. So the guy used the wrong words, wow, oh no. At the time, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that. Here's hoping Legion gets the green light because it's the game DUST was always supposed to be. I also find it funny how in one post, you say they had no plans to leave the PS3, yet in the very next post, you say you expected ("wouldn't mind") it to go to the PS4. So, which is it? If you want a PS4 port, you should be PUSHING for Legion, since it will be easier for them to port AND be higher quality. Wait...that doesn't make sense to you? I expected it to go to the ps4 but CCP burned my expectations when they said they were laser focused on the ps3. Not sure if I can write that clearer. I'm not pushing for anything that isn't going to be on the playstation (3 or 4). I'm not a pc gamer...so why would I push it for the pc?? Because it'll be easier to port for ps4 doesn't mean that they will port it to the ps4. If they announced that Legion will be on the ps4, then I would have been glad. But placing it on a platform that I don't play..doesn't benefit me at all.
Right on Dubbs. Besides, I completely fail to comprehend how people can keep sweeping under the rug the fact that CCP specifically lied to their player base while purposefully encouraging them to purchase boosters for a now dead game. I could even be much more understanding of it if they provided a 100% guarantee of full character transfers to Legion, but that isn't there. What burned me wasn't CCP moving it to an upgraded platform (whether it would've been PC or PS4), it was them giving out completely false pretenses to the entire player base. Originally I was giving serious thought to continuing with Legion on PC, but I will not be a part of a company that purposefully lies to increase profit margins on something that they will shortly eliminate completely.
Now a very angry and Bitter Vet. CCP, you have further solidified my views that corporations are corrupt POS's.
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
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DUST Fiend wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:I wonder who is responsible for creating the Stupidest Topic of Biomass your characters. I bet that Son of A ***** told other idiots to delete there characters for legion but as of right now. If you deleted your character, nice going genius. You can actually contact CCP Support and they will restore your character, or so says CPM Nova Knife. Just be polite.
I didnt delete my. Im saying that for those of you who deleted your character are screwed.
If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
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JIMvc2 wrote:I wonder who is responsible for creating the Stupidest Topic of Biomass your characters. I bet that Son of A ***** told other idiots to delete there characters for legion but as of right now. If you deleted your character, nice going genius.
i didn't biomass my characters, but i'm not willing to take the time to log in.
i didn't start the biomass thread
eatsbabies cienfuegos
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:03:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you? How do you know they never had plans to leave PS3? Because they didn't tell you? People take things far too literally. So the guy used the wrong words, wow, oh no. At the time, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that. Here's hoping Legion gets the green light because it's the game DUST was always supposed to be. I also find it funny how in one post, you say they had no plans to leave the PS3, yet in the very next post, you say you expected ("wouldn't mind") it to go to the PS4. So, which is it? If you want a PS4 port, you should be PUSHING for Legion, since it will be easier for them to port AND be higher quality. Wait...that doesn't make sense to you? I expected it to go to the ps4 but CCP burned my expectations when they said they were laser focused on the ps3. Not sure if I can write that clearer. I'm not pushing for anything that isn't going to be on the playstation (3 or 4). I'm not a pc gamer...so why would I push it for the pc?? Because it'll be easier to port for ps4 doesn't mean that they will port it to the ps4. If they announced that Legion will be on the ps4, then I would have been glad. But placing it on a platform that I don't play..doesn't benefit me at all.
That's just the thing though man. They WILL NOT announce it unless they are POSITIVE they can do it. And in order to do it, they need more than just a tech demo and so far it's still up in the air as to whether or not that's the case. Beyond that, All these rumors that Sony is backing out are just plain dumb because they have Valkyrie in line for the PS4 and Morpheus. They never ruled out PS4, they never said it would never occur, just that right now they have a prototype (and they're not bullfighting about it being a prototype, it's pretty darn flippant) and they want to make sure it works before they make any kind of promises they can't keep.
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:04:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:I wonder who is responsible for creating the Stupidest Topic of Biomass your characters. I bet that Son of A ***** told other idiots to delete there characters for legion but as of right now. If you deleted your character, nice going genius. You can actually contact CCP Support and they will restore your character, or so says CPM Nova Knife. Just be polite. I didnt delete my. Im saying that for those of you who deleted your character are screwed. Replace "you" with "they" in my post
My bad.
LONG LIVE LEGION!
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:06:00 -
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low genius wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:low genius wrote:ccp is dead to me, old friend.
my eve characters are unsubscribed.
by dust character will never again advance.
my plans of playing valkyrie are dashed.
**** ccp. And that's totally cool if you feel that way man, but I'm telling you to at least sleep on it a while and think it through. I'm incredibly excited for what we saw and the Graphics panel really showed some innovative stuff (watching smoke move when rounds get shot through it is killer!). Just don't delete your characters and if at all possible, give some feedback on how Dust's new path can improve. You are not understanding that we as playstation console players are not going to play pc just for legion. If we were pc gamers, then we wouldn't mind. We would welcome the new change......that's why we wouldn't mind if it went to the ps4. i would play pc for legion. that's the thing. i don't care where the game is at. our game is no more. our skillpoints are valueless. our time is wasted.
if you are going to play pc....I really don't see it being a huge issue. Your sp will be meaningless but your knowledge of the game is something newberries won't have. You will just have to grind again..that's all. May be more skills or maybe the skills may be different.
But CCP has said that they will be transferring characters if it is possible, so you should be fine. On the other hand...die hard playstation console gamers like myself have a real big issue.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
2998
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The problem is....CCP never had plans on leaving the ps3. How can a company of pc game designers not know that the ps3 was aging. In their own words, they were "laser focused on the ps3".
What does that tell you? How do you know they never had plans to leave PS3? Because they didn't tell you? People take things far too literally. So the guy used the wrong words, wow, oh no. At the time, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. All I know is that the game we were all sold on, is Legion, not DUST. DUST helped to build Legion, and I'm ok with that. Here's hoping Legion gets the green light because it's the game DUST was always supposed to be. I also find it funny how in one post, you say they had no plans to leave the PS3, yet in the very next post, you say you expected ("wouldn't mind") it to go to the PS4. So, which is it? If you want a PS4 port, you should be PUSHING for Legion, since it will be easier for them to port AND be higher quality. Wait...that doesn't make sense to you? I expected it to go to the ps4 but CCP burned my expectations when they said they were laser focused on the ps3. Not sure if I can write that clearer. I'm not pushing for anything that isn't going to be on the playstation (3 or 4). I'm not a pc gamer...so why would I push it for the pc?? Because it'll be easier to port for ps4 doesn't mean that they will port it to the ps4. If they announced that Legion will be on the ps4, then I would have been glad. But placing it on a platform that I don't play..doesn't benefit me at all. That's just the thing though man. They WILL NOT announce it unless they are POSITIVE they can do it. And in order to do it, they need more than just a tech demo and so far it's still up in the air as to whether or not that's the case. Beyond that, All these rumors that Sony is backing out are just plain dumb because they have Valkyrie in line for the PS4 and Morpheus. They never ruled out PS4, they never said it would never occur, just that right now they have a prototype (and they're not bullfighting about it being a prototype, it's pretty darn flippant) and they want to make sure it works before they make any kind of promises they can't keep.
So, you're saying that I should have hope in CCP?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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