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zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 20:53:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Son Down wrote:The very reason it's being moved to PC. "PC People" have expendable income. Corporations do not provide goods and services out of a deep latent desire to provide happiness, it's for profit. Apparently "Console People" did not provide enough profit. Oh, aaaaand the game was abysmal due to it being on console. Hmmmm, there's that word again...."console". LOL, PC people are cheap bastards. Despite there being an INSANELY higher number of PCs out there Go hereSee the side bar for retail purchases. 2013 PC gaming software sales: 27,597,660 2013 gaming console/handheld software sales: 434,925,553 I would absolutely love to give you sales data for digital purchases, but the company that makes up 75% of all PC digital sales (steam) does not release sales figures. I can tell you that valve made under 1 billion dollars last year, which would put it at about 1/5th of activision. Face it, PC is a secondary thought to most game publishers because of rampant, easy piracy and easy cheats and lack-luster sales. There is ONE analyst stating that PC software revenue was $22 billion last year, and since steam does release it's numbers, I would love how he came to that figure. Console gaming? 38 billion dollars, and that is from multiple sources. Pc sales are declining 10% a year for the last few years. PC gaming is a socially unacceptable (i.e. nerdy) thing and PC gamers are mostly social pariahs. Sorry guys, it is the truth. Such global stats don't apply as much to building a player base for Dust 2 as they would for most games. You have to have a lot of gamer nerd in you to want to succeed in Dust and go through the progressions, learn the game, figure out the fitting and stats and everything. You have to be even more of a gamer nerd to want to be immersed in emergent gameplay and be active in a corp and all that.
Point is this: Dust needs to be itself to thrive and that means modeling itself after EVE and being basically the shooter version of EVE. This type of game won't attract as many masses as Destiny or whatever, but it will attract some and that community will grow and many of them will stick with the game over the long haul. A lot of PC gamers want that type of game, so that's the market we want for Dust 2. PC is already primed for Dust and there a lot of EVE players and other gamers that will play if it's on PC (and actually an MMOFPS). Console on the other hand has some of the gamer nerd crowd that wants that emergent content but a lot of the base just wants to sit down and relax with a lobby shooter, like the OP. Nothing wrong with that, and there will be ample opportunities for that in Dust 2, but that's not what makes CCP games special.
TLDR: Only a PC platform will enable CCP to realize their and our vision of what Dust can be, and the nature of PC gaming and character of PC gamers gives Dust 2 potentially a broader player base who will buy in to the emergent gameplay. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:06:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:Son Down wrote:The very reason it's being moved to PC. "PC People" have expendable income. Corporations do not provide goods and services out of a deep latent desire to provide happiness, it's for profit. Apparently "Console People" did not provide enough profit. Oh, aaaaand the game was abysmal due to it being on console. Hmmmm, there's that word again...."console". LOL, PC people are cheap bastards. Despite there being an INSANELY higher number of PCs out there Go hereSee the side bar for retail purchases. 2013 PC gaming software sales: 27,597,660 2013 gaming console/handheld software sales: 434,925,553 I would absolutely love to give you sales data for digital purchases, but the company that makes up 75% of all PC digital sales (steam) does not release sales figures. I can tell you that valve made under 1 billion dollars last year, which would put it at about 1/5th of activision. Face it, PC is a secondary thought to most game publishers because of rampant, easy piracy and easy cheats and lack-luster sales. There is ONE analyst stating that PC software revenue was $22 billion last year, and since steam does release it's numbers, I would love how he came to that figure. Console gaming? 38 billion dollars, and that is from multiple sources. Pc sales are declining 10% a year for the last few years. PC gaming is a socially unacceptable (i.e. nerdy) thing and PC gamers are mostly social pariahs. Sorry guys, it is the truth. Such global stats don't apply as much to building a player base for Dust 2 as they would for most games. You have to have a lot of gamer nerd in you to want to succeed in Dust and go through the progressions, learn the game, figure out the fitting and stats and everything. You have to be even more of a gamer nerd to want to be immersed in emergent gameplay and be active in a corp and all that. Point is this: Dust needs to be itself to thrive and that means modeling itself after EVE and being basically the shooter version of EVE. This type of game won't attract as many masses as Destiny or whatever, but it will attract some and that community will grow and many of them will stick with the game over the long haul. A lot of PC gamers want that type of game, so that's the market we want for Dust 2. PC is already primed for Dust and there a lot of EVE players and other gamers that will play if it's on PC (and actually an MMOFPS). Console on the other hand has some of the gamer nerd crowd that wants that emergent content but a lot of the base just wants to sit down and relax with a lobby shooter, like the OP. Nothing wrong with that, and there will be ample opportunities for that in Dust 2, but that's not what makes CCP games special. TLDR: Only a PC platform will enable CCP to realize their and our vision of what Dust can be, and the nature of PC gaming and character of PC gamers gives Dust 2 potentially a broader player base who will buy in to the emergent gameplay.
Maybe, maybe not, one part of your post I have serious doubts about is most of the Eve player base playing or putting much investment into a FPS where apparently even more will depend on player skill than SP than Dust is currently (from what I gathered from the Progression presentation)
I am part of the console gamer nerd middle of the venn diagram if you will. Thus I am pissed I got promised I was going to get something I wanted, but then told nah **** off we used you as a Beta tester for our PC game.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
431
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:13:00 -
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Quill Killian wrote:'Tis funny, in a way. If the global power grid were to be wiped out by, say, a series of massive flares from the Sun, farming and animal husbandry would continue, albeit in a reduced, pre-electrical fashion. Most everything else in society would grind to a halt and quickly de-evolve into savagery, especially in the cities. Your average gamer GÇö PC and console GÇö would likely be among the first to lose his/her life in that sort of social upheaval. So, Beeeees is once again shown to be a short-sighted member of the "master race." As a "hybrid" myself GÇö both console and PC gamer GÇö I'm embarrassed that s/he's "in the club," so to speak. Oh, and just for giggles, it's my belief that console and PC gamers share a common, evolutionary ancestor: THE PINBALL MACHINE PLAYER!
/clap clap clap .
Seriously I think us Hybrids are the only semi-sane ( no duster is fully sane ) left on the board . I mean seriously what are these guys endgame ?
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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major faux-pas
Irish Assassins
123
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:29:00 -
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Alucard Fang wrote:"I want come home after a 12 hour day, sit down on my motherf*cking couch, put my feet up on the coffee table, pop open a beer, and shoot some bastards in the face on my HDTV with 6.1 digital surround, like God freaking intended it."
Which you could do with a PC.
Unless something big changed recently, getting a controller that is both comfortable and works flawlessly with pc games is like pulling off a miracle. Secondly, chilling out is something that doesnt involve watching windows or whatever boot up. Studies have shown that tension enters the shoulders with just visual triggers of WORK.
just because it is feasible doesnt make it practical, workable, or comfortable. Also, those with Work related upper limb disorders ( or RSI ) and other disabilities are being discriminated against by this. i for one dont want to see a mouse in the living room, not sure my wife would be too happy.
And to the sychophants: while you can be a **** and jump on a complaint as a means to discredit the opinion. YOU KNOW that every one of you who bothers to read any dust thread would be guilty of doing the same if CCP took your game away. |
zzZaXxx
The Phoenix Federation
355
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:33:00 -
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major faux-pas wrote:Alucard Fang wrote:"I want come home after a 12 hour day, sit down on my motherf*cking couch, put my feet up on the coffee table, pop open a beer, and shoot some bastards in the face on my HDTV with 6.1 digital surround, like God freaking intended it."
Which you could do with a PC. Unless something big changed recently, getting a controller that is both comfortable and works flawlessly with pc games is like pulling off a miracle. Secondly, chilling out is something that doesnt involve watching windows or whatever boot up. Studies have shown that tension enters the shoulders with just visual triggers of WORK. just because it is feasible doesnt make it practical, workable, or comfortable. Also, those with Work related upper limb disorders ( or RSI ) and other disabilities are being discriminated against by this. i for one dont want to see a mouse in the living room, not sure my wife would be too happy. And to the sychophants: while you can be a **** and jump on a complaint as a means to discredit the opinion. YOU KNOW that every one of you who bothers to read any dust thread would be guilty of doing the same if CCP took your game away.
Hell no. I would buy a PS4. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2014.05.04 21:39:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'll be the last person to defend how CCP went about all of this, all I'm saying is that for me, personally, this was basically the best case scenario. I really hope they manage to port it to PS4 as well, I really do, but for right now, PC is what will allow them the flexibility and breathing room to actually bring us the original vision. I was sold on that vision, and I was just about to set DUST down for good because I knew it would never be able to live up to that vision.
CCP restored my hope with Legion. I'm still skeptical, I still have no plans of throwing my money at them any time soon, but for me, I couldn't ask for better news (again, not HOW that news was given)
It sucks for console only players, no doubt, and they have every right to be upset. However, I think CCP made the right call here, if from no other perspective than a business one. DUST would never compete with next gen games. Legion will give them a run for their money.
CCP is good at one thing only point and click. Eve was the easiest MMO i ever played. No skill involved just fittings that's it. A FPS Is totally different i have zero faith in CCP when it comes to shooters. Just look at Dust and all it's issues. Making Dust part 2 on PC Won't fix the issues CCP have with coding and core gameplay.
Real talk they should stick to point and click games |
DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
13993
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:04:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I'll be the last person to defend how CCP went about all of this, all I'm saying is that for me, personally, this was basically the best case scenario. I really hope they manage to port it to PS4 as well, I really do, but for right now, PC is what will allow them the flexibility and breathing room to actually bring us the original vision. I was sold on that vision, and I was just about to set DUST down for good because I knew it would never be able to live up to that vision.
CCP restored my hope with Legion. I'm still skeptical, I still have no plans of throwing my money at them any time soon, but for me, I couldn't ask for better news (again, not HOW that news was given)
It sucks for console only players, no doubt, and they have every right to be upset. However, I think CCP made the right call here, if from no other perspective than a business one. DUST would never compete with next gen games. Legion will give them a run for their money. CCP is good at one thing only point and click. Eve was the easiest MMO i ever played. No skill involved just fittings that's it. A FPS Is totally different i have zero faith in CCP when it comes to shooters. Just look at Dust and all it's issues. Making Dust part 2 on PC Won't fix the issues CCP have with coding and core gameplay. Real talk they should stick to point and click games I'm more than happy to wait and see. Won't cost me a dime, so it's really no skin off my back.
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Cardio Therapy
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 06:03:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Son Down wrote:The very reason it's being moved to PC. "PC People" have expendable income. Corporations do not provide goods and services out of a deep latent desire to provide happiness, it's for profit. Apparently "Console People" did not provide enough profit. Oh, aaaaand the game was abysmal due to it being on console. Hmmmm, there's that word again...."console". LOL, PC people are cheap bastards. Despite there being an INSANELY higher number of PCs out there Go hereSee the side bar for retail purchases. 2013 PC gaming software sales: 27,597,660 2013 gaming console/handheld software sales: 434,925,553 I would absolutely love to give you sales data for digital purchases, but the company that makes up 75% of all PC digital sales (steam) does not release sales figures. I can tell you that valve made under 1 billion dollars last year, which would put it at about 1/5th of activision. Face it, PC is a secondary thought to most game publishers because of rampant, easy piracy and easy cheats and lack-luster sales. There is ONE analyst stating that PC software revenue was $22 billion last year, and since steam does release it's numbers, I would love how he came to that figure. Console gaming? 38 billion dollars, and that is from multiple sources. Pc sales are declining 10% a year for the last few years. PC gaming is a socially unacceptable (i.e. nerdy) thing and PC gamers are mostly social pariahs. Sorry guys, it is the truth.
I was addicted PC gamer with real gaming pc. I don't play anymore pc games. Pc is meant for work and consoles for gaming.
60% of pc players get their games for free from torrent sides. All pc games can be hacked. I played lineage2 and many other games with hack codes just for fun 95% of console players are buying their games and paying for them with real money. This is the main reason so many companies are making games for consoles and with xbox one and PS4 pc games will drastically decline. The global statistic is that pcs decrease over years and are replaced by tablets and consoles. Also legion will be in beta for 3-4 years and will fail like all other CCP projects except EVE. Until it comes out pc games will be past. Good Luck |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1440
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Posted - 2014.05.05 08:57:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Vance Alken wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Son Down wrote:The very reason it's being moved to PC. "PC People" have expendable income. Corporations do not provide goods and services out of a deep latent desire to provide happiness, it's for profit. Apparently "Console People" did not provide enough profit. Oh, aaaaand the game was abysmal due to it being on console. Hmmmm, there's that word again...."console". Hmmm me = console gamer with disposable income who has spent over $200 on Dust my son = 15 year old PC gamer whose disposable income is what I give him Stereotype some more why don't you. Oh well, you and everyone else who believes that CCP will deliver just because its now on PC can't say you weren't warned or didn't know ahead of time when you get ****** over. Zahle you should talk to your kid, he seems to be a lot smarter with his allowance than you are with yours. I respect his right to play Minecraft and all the ****** little Steam games he wants in his base room between bouts of maturbation to internet ****. I even respect your right to do the same or applaud CCP for ******* a bunch of people over or buying their BS about it being the PS3 holding them back. Seems to me its the "PC master race" that is on the forums here shitting on people. Your boy is allowed to watch **** and play whatever games he wants, whenever he wants?
Best. Dad. Ever.
I've got a little girl, so I'd rather not think about that kinda thing, but I wish my dad had been as cool as you. <3
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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ROEG X
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
56
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:33:00 -
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Vance Alken wrote:Cosgar wrote:Some games are tons better on PC when you think about stuff like modding and full range customization. Not for everybody mind you, but something to consider since cross platforming is going to be a thing. Do what you want, but just consider the option if you don't like having to buy a new console every 4-6 years. This is coming from a guy who's never going to give CCP another dollar, ever. I was trying to figure out what games could be better on consoles... Platformers? You can plug a controller into your PC. Couch co-op games? You can plug your PC into a TV. Those ******, terrible Xbox Live Arcade titles? Hrm, maybe, I mean obviously there's flash games on the PC, but even then most of them aren't that bad.
The PlayStation 4 can do all of those things now. This is the generation where consoles are closing the gap with the PC. |
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Zelorian Dexter snr
Vanguardian Remnant
213
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:40:00 -
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Get the new Alienware X51 its only 599 pounds. |
RogueTrooper 2000AD
RoyaLBanKof
36
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:45:00 -
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Tldr- it sucks to be the op.
Dust.......the most immersive and meaningful mmofps ehever.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
3118
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:49:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:Tldr- it sucks to be the op.
Why is that? Because I don't want to play games on the PC?
Or perhaps it's because I'm forced to listen to PC mastur race scrubs and evetards babble on and on about how easy and super awesum PC gaming is? You got me on that one; that does definitely suck.
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I'm out. See you on the other side.
psn: bobswerski
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RevoItZ
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
400
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:23:00 -
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Build a gaming PC
Winner of EU Prime League Tournament
Winner of EU Squad Cup
RIP MAG
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