It doesn't sound like it.

Watching CCP Rouge onstage during the beginning of CCP Presents was painful. It was obvious the massive blowback from "the announcement" had reached up as high as Hilmar and that he was being forced to do damage control. They basically interrupted CCP Presents so he could fix what he had broken.

All of a sudden Dust was still being supported "some" and they would "try" to find a way to migrate Dust characters "if" they went ahead with the project. But it was all shockingly non-committal. He rocked back and forth nervously and was obviously under a ton of pressure.

We now know how CCP does business. If they don't see the right metrics and momentum I doubt EVE: Legion ever sees the light of day. Their stockholders already saw the snafus related to World of Darkness and Dust 514 on the PS3. They won't let EVE: Legion take up valuable developmental time if it won't be solvent.

Funniest part? The ready-made community they "would have" had if the announcement had been "we are porting to PS4" has now turned on them and now only a tiny portion [of what was a tiny community to begin with] will support the game on PC. The majority of people will probably just troll the forums and show them the console version of scorched earth policy.

If they don't move forward with Legion then Mercs on the Ground is dead in the water. DUST has no future, it is technically impossible for them to achieve the dream on this system under the watch of Sony. It will never happen, and they have already admitted to it.

So, either Legion is a go, or the entire idea gets scrapped.

DUST is dead either way.

...if Legion does well, great, weGÇÖll continue to invest in it. If it doesnGÇÖt, weGÇÖll open up some beers, have some fun and say, "'Ok, that was fun, letGÇÖs do something different now and go again.'"

I agree, although that doesn't seem to be how they see it:


http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction

This isn't the type of confidence I like to see.

great point.

this polygon article even says it: 'The team is unsure if Project Legion will ultimately be turned into a full release' http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction we should collude to make sure things go badly. you took our money Rouge? we'll take ur job.

No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.

After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed.

They're just playing politics to give DUSTies some hope. I actually see that same comment as being very confident. Confident in their ability to get right back on the horse should they fall off.

All I know is that DUST can never be much more than it is now, and Legion is the only logical next step forward.

No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.

After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed.

That's my thinking. If Dust only managed to hold CCP's interest for 12 months after release then what's going to make them live up to the vision presented for Legion? This is not the Eve Online-CCP that sticks with it through good and bad times, this is a different philosophy at work here.

When? 2020? Being on the PC won't magically give CCP any idea how to design better game modes or become better at balancing the existing content. It'll just look prettier.

I know, I agree with you. Dust is finished and is never coming back. But when you just announce a new game that is essentially cancelling out the current one, I don't like to hear someone say "hey this might not work either." Although I also see your interpretation of it.

My point is that clearly they are focusing on Legion, but they just seem afraid to admit it. Sure maybe it doesn't become a commercial product, but it's still the teams primary focus, be confident about it.

When? 2020? Being on the PC won't magically give CCP any idea how to design better game modes or become better at balancing the existing content. It'll just look prettier.

Now, we can get mad and **** our pants and swear to never buy a CCP product ever again. We're certainly justified in feeling that way. Or we can can dry our faces off and hold Shangai's feet to the fire and make sure Legion isn't a horrible flop like Dust. Legion might work, it might not, but we gain nothing by salting the fields and burning bridges.

No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.

After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed.

I agree. I think they're kind of nervous right now after the **** storm that ensued after the reveal.

I just hope they throw themselves into Legion completely, because that's the only way the original vision of DUST will become a reality.

I see we're discussing the right issue: Is it worthwhile to invest into Legion with thoughts, ideas and hope? You're being rather optimistic. My standpoint is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm not saying I won't have a peek at Legion once in a while, but I will tread extremely carefully. And I'd advise everyone else to not put any trust in these people, too.

F you and F Legion!!!

I really hope for CCPs sake that they man up and make a solid commitment to move forward with Legion.

Seriously, how mind-numbingly stupid do you have to be to so thoroughly and publicly alienate you current customers, based entirely on a game that is in such an early state of development that you're not entirely sure will actually make it to release, or when?

I hate to sound so negative, but part of me hopes that this whole fiasco has set CCP on a course that ultimately ends in bankrupcy, because no company that makes such obviously poor decisions deserves to remain in business.

SMH

When? 2020? Being on the PC won't magically give CCP any idea how to design better game modes or become better at balancing the existing content. It'll just look prettier.

I agree. I think they're kind of nervous right now after the **** storm that ensued after the reveal.

I just hope they throw themselves into Legion completely, because that's the only way the original vision of DUST will become a reality.

I see we're discussing the right issue: Is it worthwhile to invest into Legion with thoughts, ideas and hope? You're being rather optimistic. My standpoint is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm not saying I won't have a peek at Legion once in a while, but I will tread extremely carefully. And I'd advise everyone else to not put any trust in these people, too.

The original vision was to connect a PC game to a console game. That is what got them gaming media attention and free advertising when most mainstream gaming sights usually ignore CCP unless some giant battle happens in Eve. With Legion CCP is admitting it failed in that vision, but I'm sure CCP is happy about all the coverage they foot that allowed them to scam more of us.

I guess we were sold on different visions.

I never gave a single crap about this game being on console. I care about persistence, about connection to EVE, about exploring planets and making a difference in New Eden. I care about having a gorgeous environment and high frames per second. I care about massive battles.

Console or PC, I do not care: I just want that vision realized.

Console or PC, I do not care: I just want that vision realized.

We (console users) are just as upset as the PC users were when they found out that this was coming to the PS3, only more so having spent time and money on Dust itself.

I get where you are coming from, but I can't for the life of me see how you can so easily put aside the fact that a lot of people spent a lot of time and money on THIS version on THIS console, both under the premise that CCP was committed to it in the short to mid term.

Now it is not only obvious they are not committed, but that they KNEW they were moving on months ago, and continued the charade.

Stop being myopic and look at the whole picture from not just your perspective, but of those that have been blindsided and are righteously angry.

We (console users) are just as upset as the PC users were when they found out that this was coming to the PS3, only more so having spent time and money on Dust itself.

I get where you are coming from, but I can't for the life of me see how you can so easily put aside the fact that a lot of people spent a lot of time and money on THIS version on THIS console, both under the premise that CCP was committed to it in the short to mid term.

Now it is not only obvious they are not committed, but that they KNEW they were moving on months ago, and continued the charade.

Stop being myopic and look at the whole picture from not just your perspective, but of those that have been blindsided and are righteously angry.