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Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:46:00 -
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It doesn't sound like it.
Watching CCP Rouge onstage during the beginning of CCP Presents was painful. It was obvious the massive blowback from "the announcement" had reached up as high as Hilmar and that he was being forced to do damage control. They basically interrupted CCP Presents so he could fix what he had broken.
All of a sudden Dust was still being supported "some" and they would "try" to find a way to migrate Dust characters "if" they went ahead with the project. But it was all shockingly non-committal. He rocked back and forth nervously and was obviously under a ton of pressure.
We now know how CCP does business. If they don't see the right metrics and momentum I doubt EVE: Legion ever sees the light of day. Their stockholders already saw the snafus related to World of Darkness and Dust 514 on the PS3. They won't let EVE: Legion take up valuable developmental time if it won't be solvent.
Funniest part? The ready-made community they "would have" had if the announcement had been "we are porting to PS4" has now turned on them and now only a tiny portion [of what was a tiny community to begin with] will support the game on PC. The majority of people will probably just troll the forums and show them the console version of scorched earth policy. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
498
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:52:00 -
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That's my thinking. If Dust only managed to hold CCP's interest for 12 months after release then what's going to make them live up to the vision presented for Legion? This is not the Eve Online-CCP that sticks with it through good and bad times, this is a different philosophy at work here. |
Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:52:00 -
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Prius Vecht wrote:It doesn't sound like it.
Watching CCP Rouge onstage during the beginning of CCP Presents was painful. It was obvious the massive blowback from "the announcement" had reached up as high as Hilmar and that he was being forced to do damage control. They basically interrupted CCP Presents so he could fix what he had broken.
All of a sudden Dust was still being supported "some" and they would "try" to find a way to migrate Dust characters "if" they went ahead with the project. But it was all shockingly non-committal. He rocked back and forth nervously and was obviously under a ton of pressure.
We now know how CCP does business. If they don't see the right metrics and momentum I doubt EVE: Legion ever sees the light of day. Their stockholders already saw the snafus related to World of Darkness and Dust 514 on the PS3. They won't let EVE: Legion take up valuable developmental time if it won't be solvent.
Funniest part? The ready-made community they "would have" had if the announcement had been "we are porting to PS4" has now turned on them and now only a tiny portion [of what was a tiny community to begin with] will support the game on PC. The majority of people will probably just troll the forums and show them the console version of scorched earth policy.
Stock holders. Lol, that's a good one. If only there was that.
Lol, you can't ban me forever CCP!
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Tolen Rosas
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
397
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:53:00 -
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great point.
this polygon article even says it: 'The team is unsure if Project Legion will ultimately be turned into a full release' http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction we should collude to make sure things go badly. you took our money Rouge? we'll take ur job.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
656
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:54:00 -
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I noticed this too. The phrasing is all dependent. Then he says *if* he gets a green light.
Wondering just how big of a gamble he made yesterday.
Something clever that makes people think Im not a bitter **.
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Megan Steel
DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:57:00 -
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As guaranteed as the P2Pmarket |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
401
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:58:00 -
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If they really are unsure that Legion will ever be a commercial project, it seems weird to also basically give up on Dust at the same time. Now they've got two games that are sort of being worked, both with futures up in the air.
Doesn't seem like a good way to make a strong or successful game. If you're going to can Dust and work on Legion, fully commit to it. Don't do this, "Well we don't know what we're doing or what it will be." Otherwise we could end up with a **** game again, or even worse, no game at all. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13831
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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:59:00 -
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If they don't move forward with Legion then Mercs on the Ground is dead in the water. DUST has no future, it is technically impossible for them to achieve the dream on this system under the watch of Sony. It will never happen, and they have already admitted to it.
So, either Legion is a go, or the entire idea gets scrapped.
DUST is dead either way.
DUST is DEAD
Long live Legion
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Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
402
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:05:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:If they don't move forward with Legion then Mercs on the Ground is dead in the water. DUST has no future, it is technically impossible for them to achieve the dream on this system under the watch of Sony. It will never happen, and they have already admitted to it.
So, either Legion is a go, or the entire idea gets scrapped.
DUST is dead either way. I agree, although that doesn't seem to be how they see it:
Sean Decker wrote:...if Legion does well, great, weGÇÖll continue to invest in it. If it doesnGÇÖt, weGÇÖll open up some beers, have some fun and say, "'Ok, that was fun, letGÇÖs do something different now and go again.'" http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reaction
I get his point, but this isn't the type of confidence I like to see. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13831
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:08:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:If they don't move forward with Legion then Mercs on the Ground is dead in the water. DUST has no future, it is technically impossible for them to achieve the dream on this system under the watch of Sony. It will never happen, and they have already admitted to it.
So, either Legion is a go, or the entire idea gets scrapped.
DUST is dead either way. I agree, although that doesn't seem to be how they see it: Sean Decker wrote:...if Legion does well, great, weGÇÖll continue to invest in it. If it doesnGÇÖt, weGÇÖll open up some beers, have some fun and say, "'Ok, that was fun, letGÇÖs do something different now and go again.'" http://www.polygon.com/2014/5/3/5677566/Dust-514-project-legion-reactionThis isn't the type of confidence I like to see. They're just playing politics to give DUSTies some hope. I actually see that same comment as being very confident. Confident in their ability to get right back on the horse should they fall off.
All I know is that DUST can never be much more than it is now, and Legion is the only logical next step forward.
DUST is DEAD
Long live Legion
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
724
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:08:00 -
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No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.
After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. |
Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
136
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:09:00 -
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I really hope for CCPs sake that they man up and make a solid commitment to move forward with Legion.
Seriously, how mind-numbingly stupid do you have to be to so thoroughly and publicly alienate you current customers, based entirely on a game that is in such an early state of development that you're not entirely sure will actually make it to release, or when?
I hate to sound so negative, but part of me hopes that this whole fiasco has set CCP on a course that ultimately ends in bankrupcy, because no company that makes such obviously poor decisions deserves to remain in business.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
499
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:10:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.
After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. When? 2020? Being on the PC won't magically give CCP any idea how to design better game modes or become better at balancing the existing content. It'll just look prettier. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:10:00 -
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Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
402
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:They're just playing politics to give DUSTies some hope. I actually see that same comment as being very confident. Confident in their ability to get right back on the horse should they fall off.
All I know is that DUST can never be much more than it is now, and Legion is the only logical next step forward. I know, I agree with you. Dust is finished and is never coming back. But when you just announce a new game that is essentially cancelling out the current one, I don't like to hear someone say "hey this might not work either." Although I also see your interpretation of it.
My point is that clearly they are focusing on Legion, but they just seem afraid to admit it. Sure maybe it doesn't become a commercial product, but it's still the teams primary focus, be confident about it. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4229
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:15:00 -
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They're taking all their attention away from Dust, and giving it to a project they're not even sure will amount to anything.
That simple fact should tell us that they care next to nothing for Dust 514. They may just let both versions die.
Sure, why the f*ck not?
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
691
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:15:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage. After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. Speak for yourself , I'm in agreement with Tolen .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:16:00 -
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Needs a jita statue.
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2542
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:20:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:That's my thinking. If Dust only managed to hold CCP's interest for 12 months after release then what's going to make them live up to the vision presented for Legion? This is not the Eve Online-CCP that sticks with it through good and bad times, this is a different philosophy at work here.
I think now that it's going to be on PC it could become a Project like Eve Online for CCP. No more dealing with shitstorms because they don't have a testserver. They can use Singularity for Legion too. No problems with giving Sony patches first so they can test it. I think CCP made Legion so they have more control over what they do, because they noticed with the way they had to handle patches on the PS3 it would be very difficult to see that vision come true. But they wweren't able to call it Dust because of legal mumbo jumbo I guess.
Now that they guaranteed us our Character transfer I say let Legion come. I'm still interested in the details of that transfer though.
Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
The Containment Unit
692
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:20:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Abron Garr wrote:No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.
After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. When? 2020? Being on the PC won't magically give CCP any idea how to design better game modes or become better at balancing the existing content. It'll just look prettier. Really and would attempt to hide their laziness of attention to detail , yeah it will look great and it won't lag but I bet you will have the same problems with content and all .
But I guess you will have burning trees huh ???
Keep hope alive Abron while players like myself hope it falls and burns in a crash to the ground , if Dust dies I pray that everything that they do henceforth dies as well .
I curse CCP and those who support them until they make right what and who they have wronged .
The console community .
Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
13835
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:23:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:They're just playing politics to give DUSTies some hope. I actually see that same comment as being very confident. Confident in their ability to get right back on the horse should they fall off.
All I know is that DUST can never be much more than it is now, and Legion is the only logical next step forward. I know, I agree with you. Dust is finished and is never coming back. But when you just announce a new game that is essentially cancelling out the current one, I don't like to hear someone say "hey this might not work either." Although I also see your interpretation of it. My point is that clearly they are focusing on Legion, but they just seem afraid to admit it. Sure maybe it doesn't become a commercial product, but it's still the teams primary focus, be confident about it. I agree. I think they're kind of nervous right now after the **** storm that ensued after the reveal.
I just hope they throw themselves into Legion completely, because that's the only way the original vision of DUST will become a reality.
DUST is DEAD
Long live Legion
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
9362
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:26:00 -
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I felt that actually.
CCP Rouge was obviously under pressure, and I saw a disappointed look in Hilmar's face and body language.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
724
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:29:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Abron Garr wrote:No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage.
After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. When? 2020? Being on the PC won't magically give CCP any idea how to design better game modes or become better at balancing the existing content. It'll just look prettier.
For those of us who played EVE in 2011 this fanfest is a bit like Deja Vu. CCP got a little too big for its britches and decided to ignore the playerbase because they felt their vision was more important than customer feedback. Here we are 3 years later and CCP Shanghai is having their Incarna moment.
I'm pissed off like most of you but I also know that CCP Shanghai is going to become more malleable in the next few months. They'll start to really listen to player feedback. They'll become more attentive to complaints. Suddenly, things that were too technically challenging will become possible. It's amazing what fear of unemployment does to a company.
Now, we can get mad and **** our pants and swear to never buy a CCP product ever again. We're certainly justified in feeling that way. Or we can can dry our faces off and hold Shangai's feet to the fire and make sure Legion isn't a horrible flop like Dust. Legion might work, it might not, but we gain nothing by salting the fields and burning bridges.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
499
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:36:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Now, we can get mad and **** our pants and swear to never buy a CCP product ever again. We're certainly justified in feeling that way. Or we can can dry our faces off and hold Shangai's feet to the fire and make sure Legion isn't a horrible flop like Dust. Legion might work, it might not, but we gain nothing by salting the fields and burning bridges. I see we're discussing the right issue: Is it worthwhile to invest into Legion with thoughts, ideas and hope? You're being rather optimistic. My standpoint is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I'm not saying I won't have a peek at Legion once in a while, but I will tread extremely carefully. And I'd advise everyone else to not put any trust in these people, too. |
Cymek Omnius
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:39:00 -
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Legion is a done deal. it will be made. Look at the Focus theme they went with and the launcher proposed with all three characters available on PC. Valkyre, Dust, and Eve. I would not bet against Dust514s days being numbered. The good news is they will port over everything (they can) over to Legion once its time. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:40:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage. After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. F you and F Legion!!!
CEO
Whiskey squad leader, E9
Once Bitten Twice Shy....
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Onesimus Tarsus
703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1969
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:41:00 -
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They have no impetus for doing Legion any differently than DUST. Heck, as a bilk-beta-testers-for-real-money-on-a-crap-game model, DUST ruled.
Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1742
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:They're just playing politics to give DUSTies some hope. I actually see that same comment as being very confident. Confident in their ability to get right back on the horse should they fall off.
All I know is that DUST can never be much more than it is now, and Legion is the only logical next step forward. I know, I agree with you. Dust is finished and is never coming back. But when you just announce a new game that is essentially cancelling out the current one, I don't like to hear someone say "hey this might not work either." Although I also see your interpretation of it. My point is that clearly they are focusing on Legion, but they just seem afraid to admit it. Sure maybe it doesn't become a commercial product, but it's still the teams primary focus, be confident about it. I agree. I think they're kind of nervous right now after the **** storm that ensued after the reveal. I just hope they throw themselves into Legion completely, because that's the only way the original vision of DUST will become a reality. You are a fng idiot...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader, E9
Once Bitten Twice Shy....
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
725
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:46:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Now, we can get mad and **** our pants and swear to never buy a CCP product ever again. We're certainly justified in feeling that way. Or we can can dry our faces off and hold Shangai's feet to the fire and make sure Legion isn't a horrible flop like Dust. Legion might work, it might not, but we gain nothing by salting the fields and burning bridges. I see we're discussing the right issue: Is it worthwhile to invest into Legion with thoughts, ideas and hope? You're being rather optimistic. My standpoint is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'm not saying I won't have a peek at Legion once in a while, but I will tread extremely carefully. And I'd advise everyone else to not put any trust in these people, too.
If I had left after Incarna I would have missed out on 2 years of amazing ship rebalancing, new graphical updates, tiericide and new ships.
I've been with Dust since private Beta. I'd be lying if I said Dust was anything but a disappointment month after month. At least CCP sounds like they're committing to the sandbox instead of a lobby shooter with Legion's move to the PC. Granted, I'll be hesitant to drop any significant cash on Legion until I'm certain they're serious. Unfortunately, CCP's choice of blindsiding their playerbase really hurt whatever trust they've built up with the community and that trust will be hard to earn back. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
725
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Posted - 2014.05.03 20:47:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Abron Garr wrote:No, **** bag, some of us actually want Legion to succeed. Yeah, CCP obviously learned nothing about public relations since Incarna. Yes, they royally ****** up at Fanfest. Let's have our Weekend of Rage. After emotions die down some of us are going to try and make Legion succeed. F you and F Legion!!!
Grow up you little ******. |
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