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Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 822	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:42:00 - [1] - Quote So.. what if CPM1 consists of all Blue Donut people? Don't you think that would be harmful to the game? well.. I have a feeling that since said azure pastry controls a large majority of the most active and ... vocal DUST players, that it won't be hard to set up a system in which, if it comes to a vote, they will have the majority. Seems fishy to me.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12991	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:44:00 - [2] - Quote To my knowledge there are only two candidates from DNS running. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2264	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:45:00 - [3] - Quote Bear in mind, the blue donut may be the most vocal, but they are a very very small number. It's important that you reach out to as many people as possible and convince them to vote (regardless of who they vote for), so that a larger portion of the community is represented. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10051	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:47:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: To my knowledge there are only two candidates from DNS running. Syveven Reed and Zatara Rought are the only two I know of Luk Manag, the glorious individual who made me what I am today! LvL 10 Forum Warrior you scrubs!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7565	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:51:00 - [5] - Quote Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? Or can I dismiss this as propaganda? Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13233	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:52:00 - [6] - Quote I just feel in my belly that CPM1 is going to do far more harm than good. This game is still way too young to throw it to the wolves via "public" voting, when there are CLEARLY systems in place via the playerbase to influence the votes as they see fit. It just has bad juju written all over it. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Incubus, Gallente Proud
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10051	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:56:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? GTFO with your propaganda. Thats actually very debatable, while correct that they had no direct development power or authority their job was to communicate the approximate community wide thoughts and suggestions..... and yet for the most part the greater powers as they could be called are very dismissive of many community wide suggestions. While I can appreciate that these representatives stand out from their compatriots...... a community will have certain reservations against any group put into power, or raised up in some way, as they might perceive it. More so if a large proportion of those all happen to be connected by alliance....... DO we remember the out rage surrounding the CRONOS brigade? Issue being the field is not very wide and contestants are not as varied as we might hope. Luk Manag, the glorious individual who made me what I am today! LvL 10 Forum Warrior you scrubs!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12991	Posted - 2014.05.01 21:56:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: To my knowledge there are only two candidates from DNS running. Syveven Reed and Zatara Rought are the only two I know of I would say that Syeven Reed has about a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Zatara has a chance but it probably depends on just how blinded by DNS hate people are. Also, I'd like to ask, OP - why do you think that having a candidate from DNS on the CPM would be a terrible thing? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10051	Posted - 2014.05.01 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: To my knowledge there are only two candidates from DNS running. Syveven Reed and Zatara Rought are the only two I know of I would say that Syeven Reed has about a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Zatara has a chance but it probably depends on just how blinded by DNS hate people are. Also, I'd like to ask, OP - why do you think that having a candidate from DNS on the CPM would be a terrible thing? Its actually a very positive thing. Every ground that has come to and perhaps you could say "won the endgame" would need a place to represent that particular community, and aid in the development and expansion of that end game. But equally so a candidate needs to be elected based on their qualifications and community contributions rather than where they come from. I find Zatara an interesting applicant, still haven't made up my mind yet. Luk Manag, the glorious individual who made me what I am today! LvL 10 Forum Warrior you scrubs!
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 88	Posted - 2014.05.01 22:03:00 - [10] - Quote They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. The guy from the Hamburger train.

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7567	Posted - 2014.05.01 22:07:00 - [11] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 823	Posted - 2014.05.01 22:13:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: To my knowledge there are only two candidates from DNS running. Syveven Reed and Zatara Rought are the only two I know of I would say that Syeven Reed has about a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Zatara has a chance but it probably depends on just how blinded by DNS hate people are. Also, I'd like to ask, OP - why do you think that having a candidate from DNS on the CPM would be a terrible thing? Did I say it would be a terrible thing? I just asked people if they thought it would be harmful. I'm more concerned about a large group like that's ability to sway such an important part of the direction DUST goes. Not saying any of the candidates are crooked, but it is certainly not outside the realm of possibility for a CPM to take NDA intel and share it with close corp mates, or at the very least, using said intel to sway decisions made in PC, Market manipulation (when it becomes viable) etc. so I'd like honest people in there. but just like in a presidential election, that is probably asking too much. At any rate, I don't mind if Zatara gets in, since I've known him for a while from the PFBHz days, and he seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders. Personally, I feel all aspects of the game should be covered. We need someone with up-to-date PC experience, as well as someone who doesn't hold any districts, but has fought in PC, to look objectively at the formers ideas. We need someone who despirately wants PvE, and a crafting system. We need someone who wants more vehicles, and someone who wants fewer vehicles. we need an all out slayer, and a logi guy who can't pull above a 1.0 KDR. We need balance in the CPM, and the way the public image of DNS is going is that they are mostly greedy PC carebears who are constantly looking out for numero uno. I know not every single member of DNS is like that, but truthfully, in order to hold a PC district right now, it's almost assured you're just interested in personal gain. Get most of the best players in the game (or at least, best slayers), and scare off anyone from even attempting to take a district, since it's pretty much a waste of ISK to attempt to do so. Then blue up with anyone who is a possible threat. sounds just like what happened in EVE with the CFC. and that turned out just great, didn't it? I'm not new to this game. I've been playing since the first round of beta, and quite frankly, I am rather distraught with the way this game has gone south. Such insignificant changes to the broader gameplay (no changes of scenery, no more cover, balances/nerfs that lead to massive imbalances, etc.) All I can say is, I hope CPM1 helps CCP to see that this game is in serious trouble (if they can't see that themselves) and that the only way to dig it out is key changes, and to balance using a scale, not a hammer.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2453	Posted - 2014.05.01 23:51:00 - [13] - Quote dust players voting is just a bad idea. Most people running for cpm1 are terrible and shouldn't even be allowed to the play the game. I dont care what corp/alliances players come from as long as they do a good job for the game and community. Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 794	Posted - 2014.05.01 23:56:00 - [14] - Quote if i knew what it entailed id most likely run but depending on what ccp shows at fanfest tomorrow with dust im done and my accounts going to sit for the next ten years and ill see what ccp has to show then. the previous one hasnt gotten anything done at all which is very unfortunate for you all. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10062	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:04:00 - [15] - Quote I want more vehicles....well just Amarr vehicles...so I also want less vehicles down with Minmatar crap. I shall claim two spots in the CPM, worth two votes and be twice as corrupt as anyone else! Luk Manag, the glorious individual who made me what I am today! LvL 10 Forum Warrior you scrubs!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3766	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:20:00 - [16] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Bear in mind, the blue donut may be the most vocal, but they are a very very small number. Then how are we a donut?
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:20:00 - [17] - Quote The OP is implicitly telling you not to vote for any CPM candidates that have anything to do with DNS. FEAR! ANGER!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7572	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:26:00 - [18] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Then how are we a donut? Hmm.. Heaven's Lost Property Fatal Absolution Ahrrendee Mercenaries TeamPlayers Escrow Removal And Acquisition The Rainbow Effect Ancient Exiles Nyain San G0DS AM0NG MEN Die Valkyrja Dem Durtty Boyz Capital Acquisition LLC Dirt Nap Squad Yeah we definitely are are a very, very, small number Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10067	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:45:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Then how are we a donut? Hmm.. Heaven's Lost Property Fatal Absolution Ahrrendee Mercenaries TeamPlayers Escrow Removal And Acquisition The Rainbow Effect Ancient Exiles Nyain San G0DS AM0NG MEN Die Valkyrja Dem Durtty Boyz Capital Acquisition LLC Dirt Nap Squad Yeah we definitely are are a very, very, small number Well you see the mouth of AE goes right up next to Kains....... And then FA gets right up on in there followed by Nyain and TP....... you all form one lovely artistic circle. Luk Manag, the glorious individual who made me what I am today! LvL 10 Forum Warrior you scrubs!
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 282	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:45:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? Or can I dismiss this as propaganda? Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS MCRMI Recruiting

Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 1348	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:47:00 - [21] - Quote If that were to happen the blame would rest completely in everyone outside DNS's hands. The Metalhead Mercenary
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 282	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:49:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Bear in mind, the blue donut may be the most vocal, but they are a very very small number. Then how are we a donut? MMMMM Donuts EDIT: on left go to district ownership... where it shows DNS having 98.37% of Molden Heath MCRMI Recruiting
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 267	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:49:00 - [23] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Atiim wrote: Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? Or can I dismiss this as propaganda? Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS Uhh, those are EVE players too. Also, just because DUST has 5000 active players doesn't mean they have 5000 players all together. Also, also, not all 1500 or so DNS dust guys are active. Director of G0DS Tanker, Logi, Heavy, and Scout... at your service!
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 282	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:52:00 - [24] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Atiim wrote: Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? Or can I dismiss this as propaganda? Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS Uhh, those are EVE players too. Also, just because DUST has 5000 active players doesn't mean they have 5000 players all together. Also, also, not all 1500 or so DNS dust guys are active. I can agree only a little bit with you dude because I understand that AE CA and NS are more prevelant but yes the largest alliance with the most people would by rationality equal the larger voice and yes I understand your point of dust not having 5000 altogether but the numbers show that dust has on average only 5k users currently as i edit this post there are 4,052 online MCRMI Recruiting
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7572	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:53:00 - [25] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS Great. Now subtract that 1,982 players by the amount of players who are actual DUST 514 Players, and then by those who are actually active. With that logic, just about every corp in the game is vocal. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 282	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:56:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS Great. Now subtract that 1,982 players by the amount of players who are actual DUST 514 Players, and then by those who are actually active. With that logic, just about every corp in the game is vocal. not neccessarily my corp is down to only 25 including our pilots because inactive players got the axe MCRMI Recruiting
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 2096	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:57:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Then how are we a donut? Hmm.. Heaven's Lost Property Fatal Absolution Ahrrendee Mercenaries TeamPlayers Escrow Removal And Acquisition The Rainbow Effect Ancient Exiles Nyain San G0DS AM0NG MEN Die Valkyrja Dem Durtty Boyz Capital Acquisition LLC Dirt Nap Squad Yeah we definitely are are a very, very, small number Himiko was just pointing out Soraya's contradiction which was that he called us a doughnut then said that were very, very few must I go into detail? ISK Donuts are delicious Q_Q Moar
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death Final Resolution. 3182	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:06:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Then how are we a donut? Hmm.. Heaven's Lost Property Fatal Absolution Ahrrendee Mercenaries TeamPlayers Escrow Removal And Acquisition The Rainbow Effect Ancient Exiles Nyain San G0DS AM0NG MEN Die Valkyrja Dem Durtty Boyz Capital Acquisition LLC Dirt Nap Squad Yeah we definitely are are a very, very, small number Himiko was just pointing out Soraya's contradiction which was that he called us a doughnut then said that were very, very few must I go into detail? You are a doughnut because you blued up MH. Must I go into detail? For the record, I actually don't care, but quit the spin. NEEDZ MOAR FULL RESPEC (y'happy, Dildo?) ak.0 // 4 LYFE
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 853	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:46:00 - [29] - Quote As long as you vote, it doesn't matter. If you vote then you can complain all you want. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1477	Posted - 2014.05.02 02:54:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). honestly exploit means to use. Its one of those words like discrimination that always sounds bad. Crush them

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10083	Posted - 2014.05.02 02:59:00 - [31] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Atiim wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). honestly exploit means to use. Its one of those words like discrimination that always sounds bad. Indeed but in the context, exploiting a silly decision is apt. "True is like Batman, you shine that Amarrian symbol and the Golden Knight of the Empress will appear!" - Michael Arck
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4188	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:01:00 - [32] - Quote If we aren't fighting together now, we should be fighting then. Matter of fact, we should be coordinating and fighting period. No offense OP, but I grow tired of these DNS talks. I want to see some action! We got enough sideliners and cheerleaders already. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 285	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:18:00 - [33] - Quote Edit to earlier post http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dirt_Nap_Squad. 1985 members http://evewho.com/alli/Dirt%20Nap%20Squad. 583 are eve pilots 1402 are dust mercs my point still stands largest alliance will have the loudest voice. you remove your alliance tag from your posts but most of us still know who you are MCRMI Recruiting
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10090	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:21:00 - [34] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: Edit to earlier post http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dirt_Nap_Squad. 1985 members http://evewho.com/alli/Dirt%20Nap%20Squad. 583 are eve pilots 1402 are dust mercs my point still stands largest alliance will have the loudest voice. you remove your alliance tag from your posts but most of us still know who you are Until you realise this is a not a democratic election. CCP expressly stated that they have final say in who joins the CPM. "True is like Batman, you shine that Amarrian symbol and the Golden Knight of the Empress will appear!" - Michael Arck
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 287	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:31:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Edit to earlier post http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dirt_Nap_Squad. 1985 members http://evewho.com/alli/Dirt%20Nap%20Squad. 583 are eve pilots 1402 are dust mercs my point still stands largest alliance will have the loudest voice. you remove your alliance tag from your posts but most of us still know who you are Until you realise this is a not a democratic election. CCP expressly stated that they have final say in who joins the CPM. Until you realize the entire process has been democratic The voices aren't just CPM the voices are nerfing/buffing-shaping. The CPM is just a relay MCRMI Recruiting
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10094	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:37:00 - [36] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: True Adamance wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Edit to earlier post http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Dirt_Nap_Squad. 1985 members http://evewho.com/alli/Dirt%20Nap%20Squad. 583 are eve pilots 1402 are dust mercs my point still stands largest alliance will have the loudest voice. you remove your alliance tag from your posts but most of us still know who you are Until you realise this is a not a democratic election. CCP expressly stated that they have final say in who joins the CPM. Until you realize the entire process has been democratic The voices aren't just CPM the voices are nerfing/buffing-shaping. The CPM is just a relay Indeed but in all things over all CCP has the last word, an overriding final third party that makes final decisions wholly invalidates the idea that this is a "democratic process". "True is like Batman, you shine that Amarrian symbol and the Golden Knight of the Empress will appear!" - Michael Arck
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 506	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:45:00 - [37] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just feel in my belly that CPM1 is going to do far more harm than good. This game is still way too young to throw it to the wolves via "public" voting, when there are CLEARLY systems in place via the playerbase to influence the votes as they see fit. It just has bad juju written all over it. Well, I can tell you one thing, it sure isn't based upon monetary representation for what people have put into helping fund Dust, lol. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 362	Posted - 2014.05.02 03:53:00 - [38] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Atiim wrote: Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? Or can I dismiss this as propaganda? Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS Uhh, those are EVE players too. Also, just because DUST has 5000 active players doesn't mean they have 5000 players all together. Also, also, not all 1500 or so DNS dust guys are active. You might want to check your numbers. wouldn't want you to look dumb on the forums
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 270	Posted - 2014.05.02 04:48:00 - [39] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Enji Elric wrote: Atiim wrote: Well considering how the CPM has no actual power in terms of development, no it wouldn't be harmful for the game. Two votes on the CPM won't mean anything, as it would still require votes from other CPM members as well. The only way for the a CPM member to do something significantly harmful to the game is if CCP allowed them to, in which case the blame would rest on CCP's shoulders. Most of the active & vocal players? Would you like to elaborate with something factual? Or can I dismiss this as propaganda? Mathematics DNS has 1982 players in its alliance Dust has 5,000 players look around the forums and start counting how many posts are by DNS Uhh, those are EVE players too. Also, just because DUST has 5000 active players doesn't mean they have 5000 players all together. Also, also, not all 1500 or so DNS dust guys are active. You might want to check your numbers. wouldn't want you to look dumb on the forums Explain. Director of G0DS Tanker, Logi, Heavy, and Scout... at your service!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13001	Posted - 2014.05.02 06:11:00 - [40] - Quote To those people pulling up random numbers who they have no idea what to do with: ~2000 players in DNS is not an accurate representation of the DUST voting base of DNS. A good chunk of those are EVE pilots. Then we have a very large number of inactive players. And then we have the fact that due to it not actually being a completely unified alliance in agreement on everything people aren't going to be uniting to back a single candidate. '5000 DUST players' is an absurd misrepresentation of the numbers. There are about 4000-5000 on at peak times each day. That does not equal the number of DUST players that there are. Not everyone can play daily, and not everyone plays at the same times. The actual number is likely to be vastly higher. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums

Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2270	Posted - 2014.05.02 06:16:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... this game makes me sad....
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13002	Posted - 2014.05.02 06:19:00 - [42] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Atiim wrote: I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... They designed the mechanics. It has been shown several times throughout DUST's history that it is possible to attain a huge degree of MH control and CCP have never intervened. DNS is only the third group to dominate MH. So are you saying that it is violating rules laid down by CCP for gain? Because that would actually be exploitation, and nobody is doing that. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2648	Posted - 2014.05.02 06:33:00 - [43] - Quote I know at least one candidate that is not a member of the blue donut.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 811	Posted - 2014.05.02 06:35:00 - [44] - Quote http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/FACTION_WARFARE_ARMY 3000+ MEMBERS!! DONUT! CONTRABANJOE IS GOING TO USE HIS BLOC TO STEAL CPM! Seriously though, we have like 3 guys running for CPM, and we are NOT a unified voting bloc. There have been no alliance mails about CPM elections and at least dust side, we have a lot of different viewpoints on that matter. Personally, I am likely to have Zatara as one of my top 3 picks, but I am sure that won't be the case for everyone. And Appia won't be on my ballot, but I know that she will be on at least a few of my alliancemates ballots. A lot of the guys probably wont even vote at all... This whole thread smells of fear mongering to unite people against DNS on a political level. Nobody wants to spend the money to clone pack us, so you are trying to fight back whichever way you can. I am here to tell you that your tactic is worse for the game than the "blue donut" that you decry as exploiting. DNS currently contains the majority of the people qualified to speak objectively about serious competitive dust play, and by trying to box those voices out, you are boxing out the voices that can best help relate some of the issues that CAUSE the blue donut. The PC mechanics that need to be changed, the balance issues, the small little stuff that you only pick up on after playing 100+ matches against the top talent in the game (Despite the fact that we are blue now, we have all fought each other repeatedly for over 6 months). You would be doing a worse disservice to the game by trying to conjure fear about a representative in DNS, than we have ever done...
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 562	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:32:00 - [45] - Quote the goons year after year have a member on the csm. they all vote for the same person. if you expect it to e different here youre nuts. if the doughnut risks voting in multiple members they are likly to not get any on. it would be more sane for them to vote for one person to ensure they have a voice on the cpm. that being said bribery may be used to get cpm members to think thier way. ofc i could be hugly wrong and they may not try that. i cant say im just voiceing my thoughts which are y no means saying what anyone will do just what they could do. now thats fixed can i haz a trade window?
Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 825	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:39:00 - [46] - Quote lol... The level of paranoia in this thread is astounding! lol. I'm not even trying to say DNS guys shouldn't be on the council, etc. As I said, I like Zatara, and will probably vote for him. I also like a good number of other, non-running guys whom are also in DNS. In fact, I'd personally rather side with them, than against them. that is for sure. I'm not fear mongering. I'm not a republican radio station, lol. I'm just trying to get it straight, and this thread has done that. Wow. a thread served it's purpose! crazy, eh? Sheesh. At any rate, I encourage anyone to vote for who they see to be best for the job. I was just curious how the community felt. You must admit though, DNS is to DUST what Goons are to EVE, just on a much, much smaller scale (due to a lack of player market... yet) The fact that the handful of corps in DNS, particularly the few that own the lionshare of districts, probably have more ISK than all the other corps in the game put together... that is a great reason for everyone to be concerned about this power creep.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3778	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:43:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Then how are we a donut? Hmm.. Heaven's Lost Property Fatal Absolution Ahrrendee Mercenaries TeamPlayers Escrow Removal And Acquisition The Rainbow Effect Ancient Exiles Nyain San G0DS AM0NG MEN Die Valkyrja Dem Durtty Boyz Capital Acquisition LLC Dirt Nap Squad Yeah we definitely are are a very, very, small number Sver True Blood has more members than basically all of us combined. Number of corporations =/= number of players available.
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 597	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:50:00 - [48] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Atiim wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2271	Posted - 2014.05.02 07:58:00 - [49] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Atiim wrote: I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... They designed the mechanics. It has been shown several times throughout DUST's history that it is possible to attain a huge degree of MH control and CCP have never intervened. DNS is only the third group to dominate MH. So are you saying that it is violating rules laid down by CCP for gain? Because that would actually be exploitation, and nobody is doing that. I'm not saying ccp didn't design the mechanics, or that they aren't the dumbest mechanics ever... I'm saying ccp did not forsee or intend for the mechanics to be EXPLOITED in this manner.... I fully blame ccp for the way this game is, I also fully blame any player that takes advantage of ccp's ignorance... so yes it is violating the rules, because these are not the rules ccp anticipated... are they stupid for not seeing this ...yes... are the people who take advantage of this exploiting the game... also yes... but I do hold the player in a higher regard than I do ccp for discovering and benifitting from this broken shite, because I respect ingenuity and cleverness....people who find exploits usually help make a game better, but ccp's failure to act and the players' willingness to continue to exploit these weaknesses are both regrettable.... I don't think dns or any other person taking advantage of exploits in dust should be punished... but lets call a duck a duck... they are exploiters.... this game makes me sad....
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2271	Posted - 2014.05.02 08:10:00 - [50] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Atiim wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait. I think DNS should be the dust version of eve's RVB....I wouldn't have any problem with how much isk they make if they used a portion of it to fund events, and train noobs, I think you all should work with dust university for the training part, having your vets give lectures and classes there as well as a few districts for training purposes. I think you all should stop pubstomping, until the game grows to point where the population can handle it, right now it just drives new players away who don't understand whats going on. and instead of the tiresome brag and troll threads you all shite on other players with, I think you all should flood the forums with threads to ccp to fix this crap and how, since some of your alliance are some of the smartest and skilled in dust with a deep knowledge of its mechanics... I'm dreaming, I know... but you asked, now troll away..... this game makes me sad....

Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 602	Posted - 2014.05.02 08:12:00 - [51] - Quote Wat dis blu doughnutz u spek off!!1!1!
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 598	Posted - 2014.05.02 08:30:00 - [52] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Atiim wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago. Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait. I think DNS should be the dust version of eve's RVB....I wouldn't have any problem with how much isk they make if they used a portion of it to fund events, and train noobs, I think you all should work with dust university for the training part, having your vets give lectures and classes there as well as a few districts for training purposes. I think you all should stop pubstomping, until the game grows to point where the population can handle it, right now it just drives new players away who don't understand whats going on. and instead of the tiresome brag and troll threads you all shite on other players with, I think you all should flood the forums with threads to ccp to fix this crap and how, since some of your alliance are some of the smartest and skilled in dust with a deep knowledge of its mechanics... I'm dreaming, I know... but you asked, now troll away..... I'm not trolling, I want to know. Personally, I help smaller corps. Won't go into details, but I help out the new guys along with a few people in my Corp. Calling us exploiters though. I don't get it. We don't fight each other, that is not exploitation any way you slice it. As far as pub stomping goes, I don't see a difference tbh. The matches are the same to me. You want us(DNS) to give districts for "training purposes". See, this is where I have issue. Someone always wants something. How bout earn a district? That is what is wrong with kids today. Everyone thinks they deserve a participation ribbon. Sorry buddy, it doesn't work like this. You bash us for doing what we do yet if the shoes were on your feet, you would do the same thing. I know, I know, you will reply with that you would not. This game is about dominating your opponents, why do anything less? It is up to CCP to fix the game, especially pub matches. Their needs to be tiered levels. Basic/Adv/Proto rooms. When/if that were to happen though, people would cry because a 40 million SP Merc fitted himself out in basic gear and stomped out the room. It's never ending. There is no way to make anyone happy unless DNS just gave the districts up on a first come first serve basis, restricted to playing FW with basic gear, had all our ISK taken away and only allowed 8 guys from the same alliance in any match at any given time. Good luck with all of that. I guess you guys can continue QQ'ing because if it is up to me, you won't ever get a piece of land to call your own and their damn sure won't be any place to "learn PC" while farming ISK LOL "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 598	Posted - 2014.05.02 08:31:00 - [53] - Quote Oh, and to add. You want threads to stop from us, quit poking us. Every 3 minutes there is a new hate DNS thread in some part of the forums. Couldn't even read the CPM candidates threads with all the hate there. This is just amazing to me. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4228	Posted - 2014.05.02 08:41:00 - [54] - Quote And if the districts were given, memory loss would happen and heads would increase in size. Everybody wants the one in control to be nice to them until they sit on the throne, then all that time of being the underdog changes in a instant, prompting to be the very thing they at first hated. I wish people will make a stand. Never mind the clone pack issue. Just make a statement. That's what great armies in history did even when they faced sure defeat and death. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Youmadbroyolo Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2014.05.02 08:58:00 - [55] - Quote I think a lot of you are looking at this all wrong, on paper numbers are exactly that, everything looks great on paper. but just like all the wars in MH everything is different past the LOD. I dont know how much voter apathy there is but I can tell you it is high and will be even higher among the casual players. Thus the active and vet players are probably a stronger voting pooljust by the fact that they are more likely to be politically involved. forums is probably the strongest voting pool. when ballet day comes you need to look at who you know is going to show up, not who you think might.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 143	Posted - 2014.05.02 09:11:00 - [56] - Quote You guys vastly overestimate the influence CPM has over CCP. Look at it this way: CPM0 have been calling for clear, systematic and regular lines of communication between the players and CCP. What evidence of that have you seen thus far? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire DAE LE FANFEST RELATED CYNICISM GUISE?!? XDXDxd
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3782	Posted - 2014.05.02 09:17:00 - [57] - Quote pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë Eat The Blue Donut pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2272	Posted - 2014.05.02 10:48:00 - [58] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait. I think DNS should be the dust version of eve's RVB....I wouldn't have any problem with how much isk they make if they used a portion of it to fund events, and train noobs, I think you all should work with dust university for the training part, having your vets give lectures and classes there as well as a few districts for training purposes. I think you all should stop pubstomping, until the game grows to point where the population can handle it, right now it just drives new players away who don't understand whats going on. and instead of the tiresome brag and troll threads you all shite on other players with, I think you all should flood the forums with threads to ccp to fix this crap and how, since some of your alliance are some of the smartest and skilled in dust with a deep knowledge of its mechanics... I'm dreaming, I know... but you asked, now troll away..... I'm not trolling, I want to know. Personally, I help smaller corps. Won't go into details, but I help out the new guys along with a few people in my Corp. Calling us exploiters though. I don't get it. We don't fight each other, that is not exploitation any way you slice it. As far as pub stomping goes, I don't see a difference tbh. The matches are the same to me. You want us(DNS) to give districts for "training purposes". See, this is where I have issue. Someone always wants something. How bout earn a district? That is what is wrong with kids today. Everyone thinks they deserve a participation ribbon. Sorry buddy, it doesn't work like this. You bash us for doing what we do yet if the shoes were on your feet, you would do the same thing. I know, I know, you will reply with that you would not. This game is about dominating your opponents, why do anything less? It is up to CCP to fix the game, especially pub matches. Their needs to be tiered levels. Basic/Adv/Proto rooms. When/if that were to happen though, people would cry because a 40 million SP Merc fitted himself out in basic gear and stomped out the room. It's never ending. There is no way to make anyone happy unless DNS just gave the districts up on a first come first serve basis, restricted to playing FW with basic gear, had all our ISK taken away and only allowed 8 guys from the same alliance in any match at any given time. Good luck with all of that. I guess you guys can continue QQ'ing because if it is up to me, you won't ever get a piece of land to call your own and their damn sure won't be any place to "learn PC" while farming ISK LOL not fighting each other isn't what makes you exploiters.... milking PC for isk with locksand no risk fights is exploitive...the blue donut is exploitive only to the point that it makes it impossible for someone outside the donut to get into PC... even if someone did fight and win a district you all would just continuously attack them, throwing the endless resources you all have accumulated at them till they couldn't resist anymore, but if someone did resist, you all again have enough resources to potentially buy them off perhaps by including them in the donut.... districts for training purposes would actually serve you all... if you all cared about the game and community...it would help it grow.... whats wrong with participation ribbons? humans are social animals, if you want to get philosophical no man can live alone for very long.... death will find him either through his inability to excel at a particular life necessitating skill, or insanity from isolation...a village becomes a city through the inclusion and participation of fellow human beings... but back to the game and as far as it's concerned, the mechanics are so broken here that there is no real way to fight and "earn" anything in PC.... if this were more like eve open world wise and battle population wise then dns would not be able to do what its doing... you cant lock space, so the corps in eve null sec have to be constantly vigilant.... the lock option is an instant win button for you all, so handing out some ribbons for participation, for the communities sake wouldn't be a bad thing.... do I sound like I would do what you all are doing? no I don't, and I wouldn't... I would do what I'm suggesting to you while still being the richest guy in dust...and I agree, it is up to ccp to fix the game and you wont ever make everyone happy, but you don't need to be douchebags... this game makes me sad....
noob cavman Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1397	Posted - 2014.05.02 11:18:00 - [59] - Quote Tbf even if one of us got on the cpm and tried to sway mechanic's in our favour. We would rip them apart and demand there removal. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Jollys quirky inconsistent sidekick. dem spandex yo
Seymor Krelborn L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2273	Posted - 2014.05.02 14:01:00 - [60] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Oh, and to add. You want threads to stop from us, quit poking us. Every 3 minutes there is a new hate DNS thread in some part of the forums. Couldn't even read the CPM candidates threads with all the hate there. This is just amazing to me. not to sound childish.... but you all started it.... what? you think the community just decided to hate you all.... not true.... unlike the districts in PC that's the one thing you all did earn... not all of you are bad, but you can thank the d*ck bags in your alliance for cultivating the animosity you all get.... personally I don't hate you all, but I do think you are all wasting a great opportunity to be community builders....I find the decision you all have made to be the villains regrettable, but I had my welcoming committee to new eden a long time ago, so I get it.... I just strongly believe that dns is doing their part to kill this game.... cant honestly say I deeply care about that either... but it is unfortunate. this game makes me sad....

bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 603	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:17:00 - [61] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: bigolenuts wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait. I think DNS should be the dust version of eve's RVB....I wouldn't have any problem with how much isk they make if they used a portion of it to fund events, and train noobs, I think you all should work with dust university for the training part, having your vets give lectures and classes there as well as a few districts for training purposes. I think you all should stop pubstomping, until the game grows to point where the population can handle it, right now it just drives new players away who don't understand whats going on. and instead of the tiresome brag and troll threads you all shite on other players with, I think you all should flood the forums with threads to ccp to fix this crap and how, since some of your alliance are some of the smartest and skilled in dust with a deep knowledge of its mechanics... I'm dreaming, I know... but you asked, now troll away..... I'm not trolling, I want to know. Personally, I help smaller corps. Won't go into details, but I help out the new guys along with a few people in my Corp. Calling us exploiters though. I don't get it. We don't fight each other, that is not exploitation any way you slice it. As far as pub stomping goes, I don't see a difference tbh. The matches are the same to me. You want us(DNS) to give districts for "training purposes". See, this is where I have issue. Someone always wants something. How bout earn a district? That is what is wrong with kids today. Everyone thinks they deserve a participation ribbon. Sorry buddy, it doesn't work like this. You bash us for doing what we do yet if the shoes were on your feet, you would do the same thing. I know, I know, you will reply with that you would not. This game is about dominating your opponents, why do anything less? It is up to CCP to fix the game, especially pub matches. Their needs to be tiered levels. Basic/Adv/Proto rooms. When/if that were to happen though, people would cry because a 40 million SP Merc fitted himself out in basic gear and stomped out the room. It's never ending. There is no way to make anyone happy unless DNS just gave the districts up on a first come first serve basis, restricted to playing FW with basic gear, had all our ISK taken away and only allowed 8 guys from the same alliance in any match at any given time. Good luck with all of that. I guess you guys can continue QQ'ing because if it is up to me, you won't ever get a piece of land to call your own and their damn sure won't be any place to "learn PC" while farming ISK LOL not fighting each other isn't what makes you exploiters.... milking PC for isk with locksand no risk fights is exploitive...the blue donut is exploitive only to the point that it makes it impossible for someone outside the donut to get into PC... even if someone did fight and win a district you all would just continuously attack them, throwing the endless resources you all have accumulated at them till they couldn't resist anymore, but if someone did resist, you all again have enough resources to potentially buy them off perhaps by including them in the donut.... districts for training purposes would actually serve you all... if you all cared about the game and community...it would help it grow.... whats wrong with participation ribbons? humans are social animals, if you want to get philosophical no man can live alone for very long.... death will find him either through his inability to excel at a particular life necessitating skill, or insanity from isolation...a village becomes a city through the inclusion and participation of fellow human beings... but back to the game and as far as it's concerned, the mechanics are so broken here that there is no real way to fight and "earn" anything in PC.... if this were more like eve open world wise and battle population wise then dns would not be able to do what its doing... you cant lock space, so the corps in eve null sec have to be constantly vigilant.... the lock option is an instant win button for you all, so handing out some ribbons for participation, for the communities sake wouldn't be a bad thing.... do I sound like I would do what you all are doing? no I don't, and I wouldn't... I would do what I'm suggesting to you while still being the richest guy in dust...and I agree, it is up to ccp to fix the game and you wont ever make everyone happy, but you don't need to be douchebags... What district is locked? Come help yourself if you want a district. See, this is the frustrating thing. Guys making comments but really don't know what is going on. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1476	Posted - 2014.05.02 15:20:00 - [62] - Quote What the fu*k does it matter? This game just died. Go ahead and attack a DNS district. Nobody is going to defend it now Canari Elphus for CPM1
Orin the Freak The Solecism of Limitation 834	Posted - 2014.05.02 16:59:00 - [63] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: What the fu*k does it matter? This game just died. Go ahead and attack a DNS district. Nobody is going to defend it now Yep. I don't care who gets on the CPM anymore. Just like that, my fucks-given-o-meter has gone to zero.


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