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Seymor Krelborn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:RYN0CER0S wrote:They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago.
Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning).
so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain?
no?
ok, then it's exploitation....
this game makes me sad....
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Seymor Krelborn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Atiim wrote:
I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation.
That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning).
so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... They designed the mechanics. It has been shown several times throughout DUST's history that it is possible to attain a huge degree of MH control and CCP have never intervened. DNS is only the third group to dominate MH. So are you saying that it is violating rules laid down by CCP for gain? Because that would actually be exploitation, and nobody is doing that.
I'm not saying ccp didn't design the mechanics, or that they aren't the dumbest mechanics ever... I'm saying ccp did not forsee or intend for the mechanics to be EXPLOITED in this manner.... I fully blame ccp for the way this game is, I also fully blame any player that takes advantage of ccp's ignorance...
so yes it is violating the rules, because these are not the rules ccp anticipated... are they stupid for not seeing this ...yes... are the people who take advantage of this exploiting the game... also yes... but I do hold the player in a higher regard than I do ccp for discovering and benifitting from this broken shite, because I respect ingenuity and cleverness....people who find exploits usually help make a game better, but ccp's failure to act and the players' willingness to continue to exploit these weaknesses are both regrettable....
I don't think dns or any other person taking advantage of exploits in dust should be punished... but lets call a duck a duck... they are exploiters....
this game makes me sad....
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Seymor Krelborn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 08:10:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Atiim wrote:RYN0CER0S wrote:They may be exploiting the game, but it's only because CCP refused to put a fix in motion several months ago.
Sure, I want some honest homers in the CPM for sanity's sake, but I'd also like to see people that understand how to put a **** mechanic through the ringer and report it. We all know who the assholes are and the naught chances they have to win a seat. I understand the mechanics behind Planetary Conquest are not that great, but please refrain from using terms such as exploitation. That would imply that they've violated a rule/regulation specifically set forth by CCP, and needs DEV moderation (ie, banning). so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain? no? ok, then it's exploitation.... I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait.
I think DNS should be the dust version of eve's RVB....I wouldn't have any problem with how much isk they make if they used a portion of it to fund events, and train noobs, I think you all should work with dust university for the training part, having your vets give lectures and classes there as well as a few districts for training purposes.
I think you all should stop pubstomping, until the game grows to point where the population can handle it, right now it just drives new players away who don't understand whats going on.
and instead of the tiresome brag and troll threads you all shite on other players with, I think you all should flood the forums with threads to ccp to fix this crap and how, since some of your alliance are some of the smartest and skilled in dust with a deep knowledge of its mechanics...
I'm dreaming, I know... but you asked, now troll away.....
this game makes me sad....
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Seymor Krelborn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 10:48:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
so you're saying ccp intended for molden heath to be controlled by one alliance who just farms isk out of it and then goes and crushes noobs in pub matches thanks to their infinite isk fountain?
no?
ok, then it's exploitation....
I asked this in another thread and since I didn't see you on it, I'll ask you here. What do you want us(DNS) to do? For months on end we fought each for the land grab. Either for our own land(s) or being hired be other corps and fighting against each other for someone elses land(s). This went on and on and was still going on up until we all went under the same umbrella. What would you do? Keep fighting the same 16-24 guys every night? Tell me/us right here; what do you want from DNS? Just say it, don't be shy. I am curious of your thoughts and will be respectful of them. I'll wait. I think DNS should be the dust version of eve's RVB....I wouldn't have any problem with how much isk they make if they used a portion of it to fund events, and train noobs, I think you all should work with dust university for the training part, having your vets give lectures and classes there as well as a few districts for training purposes. I think you all should stop pubstomping, until the game grows to point where the population can handle it, right now it just drives new players away who don't understand whats going on. and instead of the tiresome brag and troll threads you all shite on other players with, I think you all should flood the forums with threads to ccp to fix this crap and how, since some of your alliance are some of the smartest and skilled in dust with a deep knowledge of its mechanics... I'm dreaming, I know... but you asked, now troll away..... I'm not trolling, I want to know. Personally, I help smaller corps. Won't go into details, but I help out the new guys along with a few people in my Corp. Calling us exploiters though. I don't get it. We don't fight each other, that is not exploitation any way you slice it. As far as pub stomping goes, I don't see a difference tbh. The matches are the same to me. You want us(DNS) to give districts for "training purposes". See, this is where I have issue. Someone always wants something. How bout earn a district? That is what is wrong with kids today. Everyone thinks they deserve a participation ribbon. Sorry buddy, it doesn't work like this. You bash us for doing what we do yet if the shoes were on your feet, you would do the same thing. I know, I know, you will reply with that you would not. This game is about dominating your opponents, why do anything less? It is up to CCP to fix the game, especially pub matches. Their needs to be tiered levels. Basic/Adv/Proto rooms. When/if that were to happen though, people would cry because a 40 million SP Merc fitted himself out in basic gear and stomped out the room. It's never ending. There is no way to make anyone happy unless DNS just gave the districts up on a first come first serve basis, restricted to playing FW with basic gear, had all our ISK taken away and only allowed 8 guys from the same alliance in any match at any given time. Good luck with all of that. I guess you guys can continue QQ'ing because if it is up to me, you won't ever get a piece of land to call your own and their damn sure won't be any place to "learn PC" while farming ISK LOL
not fighting each other isn't what makes you exploiters.... milking PC for isk with locksand no risk fights is exploitive...the blue donut is exploitive only to the point that it makes it impossible for someone outside the donut to get into PC... even if someone did fight and win a district you all would just continuously attack them, throwing the endless resources you all have accumulated at them till they couldn't resist anymore, but if someone did resist, you all again have enough resources to potentially buy them off perhaps by including them in the donut....
districts for training purposes would actually serve you all... if you all cared about the game and community...it would help it grow.... whats wrong with participation ribbons? humans are social animals, if you want to get philosophical no man can live alone for very long.... death will find him either through his inability to excel at a particular life necessitating skill, or insanity from isolation...a village becomes a city through the inclusion and participation of fellow human beings... but back to the game and as far as it's concerned, the mechanics are so broken here that there is no real way to fight and "earn" anything in PC....
if this were more like eve open world wise and battle population wise then dns would not be able to do what its doing... you cant lock space, so the corps in eve null sec have to be constantly vigilant.... the lock option is an instant win button for you all, so handing out some ribbons for participation, for the communities sake wouldn't be a bad thing.... do I sound like I would do what you all are doing? no I don't, and I wouldn't... I would do what I'm suggesting to you while still being the richest guy in dust...and I agree, it is up to ccp to fix the game
and you wont ever make everyone happy, but you don't need to be douchebags...
this game makes me sad....
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Seymor Krelborn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:01:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Oh, and to add. You want threads to stop from us, quit poking us. Every 3 minutes there is a new hate DNS thread in some part of the forums. Couldn't even read the CPM candidates threads with all the hate there. This is just amazing to me.
not to sound childish.... but you all started it.... what? you think the community just decided to hate you all.... not true.... unlike the districts in PC that's the one thing you all did earn... not all of you are bad, but you can thank the d*ck bags in your alliance for cultivating the animosity you all get....
personally I don't hate you all, but I do think you are all wasting a great opportunity to be community builders....I find the decision you all have made to be the villains regrettable, but I had my welcoming committee to new eden a long time ago, so I get it....
I just strongly believe that dns is doing their part to kill this game.... cant honestly say I deeply care about that either... but it is unfortunate.
this game makes me sad....
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