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Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 81	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:20:00 - [1] - Quote Been playing the game regularly since December and I currently run 2 types of suits... -Minmitar logi (80% of the time) -Caldari Scout (20% of time) When I run the logi, I usually have either my six kin or core focused repper out and I use it to support my team-mates while they do the killing. I make reviving downed team-mates my priority and I'll only break out my assault rifle when I'm playing alone or when I'm forced to due to an enemy flanking our position and engaging me directly. The end result of this style of play is that I mostly end up having a KDR under 1 and I score a shitload of WPs. When I run the Scout, I basically just focus on killing enemies and end up having a KDR above 1 and I score an average amount of WPs. So my lifetime KDR is under 1, yet I feel like I contribute more to the team as a logi then as a scout. Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor? How do you kill that which has no life?
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 633	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Been playing the game regularly since December and I currently run 2 types of suits... -Minmitar logi (80% of the time) -Caldari Scout (20% of time) When I run the logi, I usually have either my six kin or core focused repper out and I use it to support my team-mates while they do the killing. I make reviving downed team-mates my priority and I'll only break out my assault rifle when I'm playing alone or when I'm forced to due to an enemy flanking our position and engaging me directly. The end result of this style of play is that I mostly end up having a KDR under 1 and I score a shitload of WPs. When I run the Scout, I basically just focus on killing enemies and end up having a KDR above 1 and I score an average amount of WPs. So my lifetime KDR is under 1, yet I feel like I contribute more to the team as a logi then as a scout. Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor? If your K/D is above one you are doing well as a logi. Try to use cover a bit more. If your heavy is chasing after people in a way that is getting you killed, tell him to ease up a bit. If you can't talk to him, leave him and find a better heavy. Heavys and logis have to be aware of each other and work together. Run back to back to keep an eye one each other, use a mass driver to help disperse a group before your heavy moves in, or a long range weapon to pick a couple off before you get in range. Its not all about the rep all the time. Sometimes a gun is just better. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 304	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:30:00 - [3] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Been playing the game regularly since December and I currently run 2 types of suits... -Minmitar logi (80% of the time) -Caldari Scout (20% of time) When I run the logi, I usually have either my six kin or core focused repper out and I use it to support my team-mates while they do the killing. I make reviving downed team-mates my priority and I'll only break out my assault rifle when I'm playing alone or when I'm forced to due to an enemy flanking our position and engaging me directly. The end result of this style of play is that I mostly end up having a KDR under 1 and I score a shitload of WPs. When I run the Scout, I basically just focus on killing enemies and end up having a KDR above 1 and I score an average amount of WPs. So my lifetime KDR is under 1, yet I feel like I contribute more to the team as a logi then as a scout. Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor? KDR is irrelevant when it comes to logis. Some of the best logis I know have less than 1 KDRs. A better measurement for logis is WP to death ratio. You should play your logi in whatever style suits you best. That said, I very much consider myself a support logi. I'd never fire a round if I could avoid it, but somehow I've ended up with a 1.39 or so KDR. So it's not impossible to be a rep 1st logi and still go positive.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 931	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:34:00 - [4] - Quote mostly the community does not value non killing players, though they may try to make you think otherwise . I personally love playing the way you described, my weapon is my last resort, I use equipment almost exclusively. That said, I manage a 1.5 KDR so you can interpret that number how you like *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 36	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote When I started playing Dust, I started off as a Logi (this was before racial suits so there was only one logi) and my KD/R was horrible. But thats how I liked it. I was a support logi. Reptool, Injector, Nanohives. My weapon was only there if my Heavy died or I was separated. Now that there are different races, the role has changed, however when I run my MinLogi, I stick to the first role I did: Support, with reptool injector and hives. And my KD/R on my MinLogi is still horrible. For people saying that having a KD/R above 1 is 'doing well' as a logi, they obviously have been Logis since the different suits that came out and have been and have been running Kill Logis. I do not believe that these logis are true logis. A logi that does well can earn 2k+ WP in a 50 man ambush. KD/R does not and should not matter to LogiBros, only WPs. Come Join the War
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4348	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:39:00 - [6] - Quote The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi. If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect. If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
Spike Slania Horizons' Edge 60	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:40:00 - [7] - Quote If I want a logi I don't look at k/d. Half the time I tell them to run cheap stuff if they want to try to follow my heavy since it's a suicidal 7k isk Sentinel. 1.7 Logi's where one of the most important things for corps to have, now it's becoming a warzone between Sentinels trying to keep Logis alive from the new Scout mechanic. Because what will the enemy target first, the weaker guy who is healing the stronger guy or try their luck on the stronger suit? I lost several logis to scouts trying to isolate me. I'm not too far from you, I can't wait to see you, again and again
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 588	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:40:00 - [8] - Quote You're doing a service to your team and to the game in general. Logis are out of fashion right now, and as a result most people feel the lack of support. I can't tell you how often I had to call in a LAV to drive myself back to the home point supply depot to restock on ammo because no one wanted to bring out a nanohive on their fit. I wouldn't worry about KDR. Unless you're trying to get into the top 10 corps out there no one is looking at it besides you. I was a Logi from 1.3 - 1.7 and specced out in 1.8 due to me feeling like my role had been marginalized. But I've always missed it. Keep at it. If you've found your role don't let the stats change your mind. You're doing well, soldier. Omnia mutantur nihil interit FW lvl10 reward
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 277	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:41:00 - [9] - Quote I prefer the logi to focus on a support role... Cause you know that's what they're there for. Slayer logis are just a joke. Noobasaures: "Rawr" STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 635	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:42:00 - [10] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: When I started playing Dust, I started off as a Logi (this was before racial suits so there was only one logi) and my KD/R was horrible. But thats how I liked it. I was a support logi. Reptool, Injector, Nanohives. My weapon was only there if my Heavy died or I was separated. Now that there are different races, the role has changed, however when I run my MinLogi, I stick to the first role I did: Support, with reptool injector and hives. And my KD/R on my MinLogi is still horrible. For people saying that having a KD/R above 1 is 'doing well' as a logi, they obviously have been Logis since the different suits that came out and have been and have been running Kill Logis. I do not believe that these logis are true logis. A logi that does well can earn 2k+ WP in a 50 man ambush. KD/R does not and should not matter to LogiBros, only WPs. Beta logi with a 1.3 K/D who regularly scores 2k+ plus a fifty man ambush. Played with only a mass driver until the ScR came out (still the only two infantry weapons ive specced.) I run needle, rep, and link/hive on every one of my logi suits. Maybe you should take some advice from my first post as well... Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?

Roofer Madness 1106	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote I have a feeling that a lot of people will tell you that WPs are more important than KDs for logis. Those people are what you call: ahem War Point Whores Logis need gun game too. Sometimes support means killing. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3557	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:51:00 - [12] - Quote If you are thinking longterm you have to be able to kill as a logi. There's room for perhaps 1 super support logi in a 16v16 PC battle. The best logis on the great PC teams have KDRs of 2+ most of the time. KDR not mattering for a logi is one of the dumbest things that has ever been uttered on these forums. And that talk is what has gimped the logi suits and nerfed the crap out of all the equipment. Trust me, if you envision PC in your future you simple HAVE to be able to kill. It really comes down to knowing when to have your rep tool out and when to have your gun out. With all the scouts that are running around you'd be better suited having your gun out watching your heavy's six. If he needs reps turn around and get your rep tool out. I run around as a heavy and I'll take a dude with his gun out over a rep tool any day. I love the reps, but I'll ask for them or expect them after an engagement. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3557	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:53:00 - [13] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Been playing the game regularly since December and I currently run 2 types of suits... -Minmitar logi (80% of the time) -Caldari Scout (20% of time) When I run the logi, I usually have either my six kin or core focused repper out and I use it to support my team-mates while they do the killing. I make reviving downed team-mates my priority and I'll only break out my assault rifle when I'm playing alone or when I'm forced to due to an enemy flanking our position and engaging me directly. The end result of this style of play is that I mostly end up having a KDR under 1 and I score a shitload of WPs. When I run the Scout, I basically just focus on killing enemies and end up having a KDR above 1 and I score an average amount of WPs. So my lifetime KDR is under 1, yet I feel like I contribute more to the team as a logi then as a scout. Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor? If your K/D is above one you are doing well as a logi. Try to use cover a bit more. If your heavy is chasing after people in a way that is getting you killed, tell him to ease up a bit. If you can't talk to him, leave him and find a better heavy. Heavys and logis have to be aware of each other and work together. Run back to back to keep an eye one each other, use a mass driver to help disperse a group before your heavy moves in, or a long range weapon to pick a couple off before you get in range. Its not all about the rep all the time. Sometimes a gun is just better. Solid advice here Level 3 Forum Warrior
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 38	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:54:00 - [14] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: When I started playing Dust, I started off as a Logi (this was before racial suits so there was only one logi) and my KD/R was horrible. But thats how I liked it. I was a support logi. Reptool, Injector, Nanohives. My weapon was only there if my Heavy died or I was separated. Now that there are different races, the role has changed, however when I run my MinLogi, I stick to the first role I did: Support, with reptool injector and hives. And my KD/R on my MinLogi is still horrible. For people saying that having a KD/R above 1 is 'doing well' as a logi, they obviously have been Logis since the different suits that came out and have been and have been running Kill Logis. I do not believe that these logis are true logis. A logi that does well can earn 2k+ WP in a 50 man ambush. KD/R does not and should not matter to LogiBros, only WPs. Beta logi with a 1.3 K/D who regularly scores 2k+ plus a fifty man ambush. Played with only a mass driver until the ScR came out (still the only two infantry weapons ive specced.) I run needle, rep, and link/hive on every one of my logi suits. Maybe you should take some advice from my first post as well... So just because you have a positive KD/R doesn't mean I should take your advice. Also back then the Mass Driver was a bit OP. As I said before, KD/R isn't important to support logis. We are (as someone said before) War Point Whores. So why should I bother killing? Come Join the War
Cheydinhal Guard Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:57:00 - [15] - Quote When I started logi-ing back in like 1.4 (?) as CalLogi my KD/R was terrible. I always prioritized killing before supporting, even with my terribad gungame. I got better over time, as does everyone. I still prefer to be in the frontlines with my gun out prepared to rep or rez than behind a heavy for the entirety of the match, but I support a lot more than before. Now my KD/R is 2.03. I hope this doen't make me a slayer logi Full-time GalLogi, overtime CalScout. Nulli secundus
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 741	Posted - 2014.04.29 20:57:00 - [16] - Quote KDR matters a lot less for support logis but if you can you need to stay alive. If you are one of the 1st to die then you can not help anyone else. Fit a Combat Rifle as those things are murderous. Generally it is a balance between when to rep and when to shoot.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 638	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:00:00 - [17] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Jonny D Buelle wrote: When I started playing Dust, I started off as a Logi (this was before racial suits so there was only one logi) and my KD/R was horrible. But thats how I liked it. I was a support logi. Reptool, Injector, Nanohives. My weapon was only there if my Heavy died or I was separated. Now that there are different races, the role has changed, however when I run my MinLogi, I stick to the first role I did: Support, with reptool injector and hives. And my KD/R on my MinLogi is still horrible. For people saying that having a KD/R above 1 is 'doing well' as a logi, they obviously have been Logis since the different suits that came out and have been and have been running Kill Logis. I do not believe that these logis are true logis. A logi that does well can earn 2k+ WP in a 50 man ambush. KD/R does not and should not matter to LogiBros, only WPs. Beta logi with a 1.3 K/D who regularly scores 2k+ plus a fifty man ambush. Played with only a mass driver until the ScR came out (still the only two infantry weapons ive specced.) I run needle, rep, and link/hive on every one of my logi suits. Maybe you should take some advice from my first post as well... So just because you have a positive KD/R doesn't mean I should take your advice. Also back then the Mass Driver was a bit OP. As I said before, KD/R isn't important to support logis. We are (as someone said before) War Point Whores. So why should I bother killing? The MD has been through more buffs and nerfs than any weapon in this game so dont give me the "it was OP" line. Even at its best, it was circumstancial. OP asked for advice, I gave it. Even got a couple likes out of it. If you don't want to take it that's your choice. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES Proficiency V. 177	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:04:00 - [18] - Quote Not a logi... (Commando), but the logi(s) I do have for me always stay behind me as best they can while I'm using my AscR to mow down everyone else. The only time I tell them to pull out their weapons (I'm usually the Squad Leader) is when the area is clear of anything that doesn't pose a huge threat. I also have my logis to the hacking while I cover them, since if I hacked they'd be really vulnerable. Less Than three logis. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
Glantix Karmic-Snow Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:14:00 - [19] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi. If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect. If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... With an excess amount of module slots, only 3 equipment, and a Racial bonus to deployable equipment, I feel that the CaLogi is equally as deserving of being considered more of an Assault Logi. Especially ones like me who only run Nanohives and nothing else. I don't care if you say I'm doing it wrong or that I am not a LogiBro. My job is clear, make sure my team is stocked up on ammo. This involves making sure my hives are in a good position, and always keeping one on me in case a squad member needs ammo but can't get to one my hives quickly. Aside from this though, I have nothing else to do but kill, or at least grant support fire. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2440	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:20:00 - [20] - Quote I tend to run near a 5 kdr as a scout/gallogi since open beta. I do have a much lower kdr for PC though because i tend to be repper/scanners/uplinks and die doing it. I tend to use my cal scout as repper because its just better than a minmatar logi. Never had a instance in pubs or pc that I can say my heavy would have lived if i had the minmatar logi bonus. logi and assaults really need a bit more love from ccp. lets hope we get some from fanfest Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another

akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 59	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:24:00 - [21] - Quote I run ADV Minnie logi with one of the 2 proto gun variants got a 1.0 kdr but I focus on repping people.. needling the ones that have fallen and giving ammo. I do pull the gun when its right to.. guy flanking us that I see, fire suppress while heavies are reloading etc. kd/r means nothing to me, this is not COD or BO2 or MW#. I'm not 15 and could care less. I look to max out my WP for SP capping. i'll let the younger folks or the people who care get the high kdr. because without decent logi support and preferably some squads.. you are going to loose the match. and someday loosing the match will matter more then how many kills you got while loosing the game. When PC 2.? or FW 2.? or whatever other mode that is actually persistent and matters then the KD/R point will become moot. until then.. i'll play all styles and goof off for the most part.. seeing it is just a game
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2759	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:33:00 - [22] - Quote Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 641	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:36:00 - [23] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2760	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:38:00 - [24] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1356	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:40:00 - [25] - Quote If you can be a good support logi - always there with the right equipment to support your squad when they need it - and get a good KDR then that is fantastic. I've seen players that can do this, and they are worth their weight in gold. I'm certainly not at that level myself though. However, If, as a logi, you let your running & gunning get in the way of your logi-work then you are a poor logi. My advice would be to concentrate on being the best support logi you can when running in a squad, and work on getting kills when the support isn't required. The other half of KDR, the deaths, is something you should be looking to keep to an absolute minimum anyway. A dead logi isn't supporting their team at all. This is my big weakness, tbh. I leeroy in with my rep tool, injector or hives when I really shouldn't sometimes, purely through being over-eager to help my squad mates. It ends up being counterproductive. When I see a player on the leaderboard with 2 kills, 1 death and 2000 WP then I think "that's a good logi". RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 641	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:45:00 - [26] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle! Lol. Can we just call it a tie? Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4353	Posted - 2014.04.29 22:45:00 - [27] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi. If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect. If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... With an excess amount of module slots, only 3 equipment, and a Racial bonus to deployable equipment, I feel that the CaLogi is equally as deserving of being considered more of an Assault Logi. Especially ones like me who only run Nanohives and nothing else. I don't care if you say I'm doing it wrong or that I am not a LogiBro. My job is clear, make sure my team is stocked up on ammo. This involves making sure my hives are in a good position, and always keeping one on me in case a squad member needs ammo but can't get to one my hives quickly. Aside from this though, I have nothing else to do but kill, or at least grant support fire. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Haha the callogi is in a tough situation, it was the go to murder logi for the longest time (from 1.0 - 1.7) I believe that the callogi is more of a skirmisher type logi, it's sort of the counterpart to the amarr logi. Amarr logi is like the most assault oriented, slower, but has the sidearm slot, wereas callogi is the second most assault oriented, high mobility, very high regen. If it came down to holding down the point, id pick the amarr logi, but for aggressive attacking on multiple points, callogi is probably he best for that. If you truly logi, than again, my hats off to you, if not, then...... Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 4975	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:01:00 - [28] - Quote KDR is meaningless to a logi- just make sure you save more clones than you lose from dying. /timetravel Best thread of all time
Glantix Karmic-Snow Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:10:00 - [29] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi. If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect. If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... With an excess amount of module slots, only 3 equipment, and a Racial bonus to deployable equipment, I feel that the CaLogi is equally as deserving of being considered more of an Assault Logi. Especially ones like me who only run Nanohives and nothing else. I don't care if you say I'm doing it wrong or that I am not a LogiBro. My job is clear, make sure my team is stocked up on ammo. This involves making sure my hives are in a good position, and always keeping one on me in case a squad member needs ammo but can't get to one my hives quickly. Aside from this though, I have nothing else to do but kill, or at least grant support fire. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Haha the callogi is in a tough situation, it was the go to murder logi for the longest time (from 1.0 - 1.7) I believe that the callogi is more of a skirmisher type logi, it's sort of the counterpart to the amarr logi. Amarr logi is like the most assault oriented, slower, but has the sidearm slot, wereas callogi is the second most assault oriented, high mobility, very high regen. If it came down to holding down the point, id pick the amarr logi, but for aggressive attacking on multiple points, callogi is probably he best for that. If you truly logi, than again, my hats off to you, if not, then...... Couldn't have said it better myself. As for if I'm a true Logi, I can at least say I do not use damage mods. I don't use the rep tool of injector, so I am not a LogiBro, but I do support by dropping nanohives where needed(A whole 3 hives, yay for next-to-no skill points). I also find myself using my AV nades a lot, and I have to say, with nanohives even the basic ones can severely damage or kill a tank. But most of the time I am trying to get kills with my Rail Rifle...... Does this mean I should not be considered a true Logi? Sincerely, Glantix / Snow
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 642	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:15:00 - [30] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi. If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect. If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... With an excess amount of module slots, only 3 equipment, and a Racial bonus to deployable equipment, I feel that the CaLogi is equally as deserving of being considered more of an Assault Logi. Especially ones like me who only run Nanohives and nothing else. I don't care if you say I'm doing it wrong or that I am not a LogiBro. My job is clear, make sure my team is stocked up on ammo. This involves making sure my hives are in a good position, and always keeping one on me in case a squad member needs ammo but can't get to one my hives quickly. Aside from this though, I have nothing else to do but kill, or at least grant support fire. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Haha the callogi is in a tough situation, it was the go to murder logi for the longest time (from 1.0 - 1.7) I believe that the callogi is more of a skirmisher type logi, it's sort of the counterpart to the amarr logi. Amarr logi is like the most assault oriented, slower, but has the sidearm slot, wereas callogi is the second most assault oriented, high mobility, very high regen. If it came down to holding down the point, id pick the amarr logi, but for aggressive attacking on multiple points, callogi is probably he best for that. If you truly logi, than again, my hats off to you, if not, then...... Couldn't have said it better myself. As for if I'm a true Logi, I can at least say I do not use damage mods. I don't use the rep tool of injector, so I am not a LogiBro, but I do support by dropping nanohives where needed(A whole 3 hives, yay for next-to-no skill points). I also find myself using my AV nades a lot, and I have to say, with nanohives even the basic ones can severely damage or kill a tank. But most of the time I am trying to get kills with my Rail Rifle...... Does this mean I should not be considered a true Logi? Sincerely, Glantix / Snow No. And I say this purely because you said you do not have good hives. If you have put more points into your weapon than your support gear, i cannot call you a truelogi. Also, you have 3 slots and get a bonus to needle as well. You really should strive to get a proto needle. At least Adv with some healy hives. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?

Glantix Karmic-Snow Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:31:00 - [31] - Quote 800 000 lifetime sp Lvl 3 Nanocircuitry Lvl 1 CaLogi Lvl 1 Modules Lvl 1 Rail Rifle Lvl 2 Grenadier I don't have more points put into weapons than my equipment. As for running a Nanite Injector, I want my role to be dedicated to ammo resupply. I know it doesn't give out very many points but it is something people rarely do, so I feel it is something that I and mainly I alone can contribute to my team. Running a Nanite Injector would reduce the number of hives I drop out by 33% at Adv or Proto, and I don't want that to take away from the niche I fulfil. If I am still not considered a true Logi, then whatever. I know I am contributing to my team by acting as both an Ammo Resupply unit and as a Frontline Assault-like suit, and no-one can convince me otherwise. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow
horad c 4	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:33:00 - [32] - Quote logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well DNS - we the best ... and yall fuc*king SUCK
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2763	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:45:00 - [33] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle! Lol. Can we just call it a tie? Deal. We both win! And lose. ( at least every few months, that is) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2763	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:46:00 - [34] - Quote horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 11	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:53:00 - [35] - Quote I think I have a KD/R I can't tell. I'm too busy responding to demands for more ammo and fixing booboo's
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 644	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:53:00 - [36] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: 800 000 lifetime sp Lvl 3 Nanocircuitry Lvl 1 CaLogi Lvl 1 Modules Lvl 1 Rail Rifle Lvl 2 Grenadier I don't have more points put into weapons than my equipment. As for running a Nanite Injector, I want my role to be dedicated to ammo resupply. I know it doesn't give out very many points but it is something people rarely do, so I feel it is something that I and mainly I alone can contribute to my team. Running a Nanite Injector would reduce the number of hives I drop out by 33% at Adv or Proto, and I don't want that to take away from the niche I fulfil. If I am still not considered a true Logi, then whatever. I know I am contributing to my team by acting as both an Ammo Resupply unit and as a Frontline Assault-like suit, and no-one can convince me otherwise. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow That's actually pretty good for how new you are. I wasn't trying to bash your playstyle at all. Not many needle anymore either (at least not seriously.) With a proto needle, a callogi can pick up downed mercs with 100% armor. With Amarr and Gal heavys getting close to 2k armor, it can be invaluable on the battlefield. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
Will Driver Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:55:00 - [37] - Quote One of the things I do enjoy about DUST is that there is not one definition of success. Players will debate whether success looks like high K/D ratio, WP, ISK or victory/defeat ratio (among others), they all have there place depending on a player's priorities. I've seen support Logi's have a great multiplier effect on a game. I've revived a Logi, seen him go on to revive others, we're that much ahead of the other team. One uplink goes down on the enemy side, I spawn in and put down 2 more, suddenly we're pinching the red-dots from two sides. If I'm repping a Heavy and so he stands in the fire fight longer than our adversary, and we are able to push the point/clear a room, we're that much closer to winning the match. Those are the kind of games I enjoy most, when I feel I'm really making a difference. Did I win the game by myself, heck no, but I have the satisfaction that I played a crucial role. I may even top the leaderboard in WPs sometimes, that's pretty cool! I wish I could be a great slayer Logi, and brag about my K/D. I wish for a lot of things that will never be. For those who can and do have a great K/D, my hat's off to them. They are better slayers than me. But I will still find a way to contribute, I'll hack, drop uplinks, resupply ammo, rep/revive team mates (after clearing a threat). If there's tank or dropship problem, I'll break out my Swarmers and at least chase them off for a while. So the point, some will prefer one style over the other. I think you should just do what you can to contribute and have fun, and don't worry about what is "best." Side note, seems like there are a lot fewer Logis around since 1.8 (everyone is Scouting I think, which I've also dabbled in). But when I'm repping, I literally have the Heavies lining up for help - that generates a lot of WP for yours truly GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1864	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:00:00 - [38] - Quote When you see players in First place on the leaderboards but with scores like 0/0, 1/1, 2/2 etc... You know they are beast.. Often right under is someone that goes 20+kills/0deaths that they where supporting. Often the Logi's have some of the best killing ability in the squad aswell but has to put that aside to repair someone or pick someone up quick.. Most of these Logi's started off killing and slaying, then soon found out they had little time to do so in an active squad being so aware of their surroundings. Good logi's make their kills from the enemies that are flanking their squad.. And often are left to fight the threat alone as the squad mates are oblivious to their Logi... A Good Logi can literally pull out wins single handily saving 20-30 clones in pick ups and similar numbers in armor repairs.
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 305	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:02:00 - [39] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 644	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:31:00 - [40] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2763	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:01:00 - [41] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4353	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:01:00 - [42] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi. If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect. If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... With an excess amount of module slots, only 3 equipment, and a Racial bonus to deployable equipment, I feel that the CaLogi is equally as deserving of being considered more of an Assault Logi. Especially ones like me who only run Nanohives and nothing else. I don't care if you say I'm doing it wrong or that I am not a LogiBro. My job is clear, make sure my team is stocked up on ammo. This involves making sure my hives are in a good position, and always keeping one on me in case a squad member needs ammo but can't get to one my hives quickly. Aside from this though, I have nothing else to do but kill, or at least grant support fire. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Haha the callogi is in a tough situation, it was the go to murder logi for the longest time (from 1.0 - 1.7) I believe that the callogi is more of a skirmisher type logi, it's sort of the counterpart to the amarr logi. Amarr logi is like the most assault oriented, slower, but has the sidearm slot, wereas callogi is the second most assault oriented, high mobility, very high regen. If it came down to holding down the point, id pick the amarr logi, but for aggressive attacking on multiple points, callogi is probably he best for that. If you truly logi, than again, my hats off to you, if not, then...... Couldn't have said it better myself. As for if I'm a true Logi, I can at least say I do not use damage mods. I don't use the rep tool of injector, so I am not a LogiBro, but I do support by dropping nanohives where needed(A whole 3 hives, yay for next-to-no skill points). I also find myself using my AV nades a lot, and I have to say, with nanohives even the basic ones can severely damage or kill a tank. But most of the time I am trying to get kills with my Rail Rifle...... Does this mean I should not be considered a true Logi? Sincerely, Glantix / Snow I know you're a good player, and have created multiple characters to figure out the best sp allocation for a newer player, so I do believe you are truly trying to be a logi :) As for equipment, try nanohives, armour rep and any 3rd equipment (triage hives?) that may be a bit of a better set up and may be more "logi-esque" :) Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 663	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:13:00 - [43] - Quote I use my caldari scout as a logi. One less equipment slot but 78 passive scans keeping you safe from bricked scouts. Best support build evar.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 646	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:19:00 - [44] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. Well even at 200 if you convert the points back into "kills" at 50 points a pop, thats a 4.0 kd Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 60	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:19:00 - [45] - Quote Minnie logi proto rep gun going for proto hives and pen the combat medic.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2764	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:19:00 - [46] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. Well even at 200 if you convert the points back into "kills" at 50 points a pop, thats a 4.0 kd Yeah, that's sorta the lines along which I was thinking, since a 3.0 KDR is what I hear slayers use as their benchmark - but 150 WP/D sounded low because that's 10 deaths for 1500 WP. 5 deaths for 1000 sounded pretty reasonable as a logi benchmark. (Plus, I'm a little over that so all the better to set it there! ) So that leaves us with: 100 WP/d: scrub 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: very good? Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 153	Posted - 2014.04.30 03:13:00 - [47] - Quote A good logi is definitely someone who keeps their teammates repped and repaired. But the better logi knows when to switch to his gun. Too often I find myself being the team spotter while rolling with the rep tool because the assaults and heavies get tunnel vision (having a better passive scan then them helps). We don't often lead the squads be I often find that the logis are the ones directing everyone where to go.
Glantix Karmic-Snow Frozen Karma 11	Posted - 2014.04.30 05:52:00 - [48] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I know you're a good player, and have created multiple characters to figure out the best sp allocation for a newer player, so I do believe you are truly trying to be a logi :) As for equipment, try nanohives, armour rep and any 3rd equipment (triage hives?) that may be a bit of a better set up and may be more "logi-esque" :) This made my day. You are probably the first person to make my constant restarting seem like a good thing, everyone else I have told just got dumbfounded and/or called me an idiot. I just wish I had kept track of how many times I restarted so I would be able to say a definite number, but over the past 8 months I have been playing I know I have at least broken 100. Logi has definitely been my favourite role, with Scout coming second, and Commando scoring a nice third. As always, Glantix / Snow
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.04.30 06:01:00 - [49] - Quote I rarely get better than a 1KDR when I'm running logi. As full support that doesn't bother me. When I can get 5000+ WP and 400k+ ISK for a match my K/D can suck it. If I want to kill I go solo with a scout or heavy.
G Torq ALTA B2O 769	Posted - 2014.04.30 06:07:00 - [50] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor? Mr. Noobiam, Can I suggest that you punch your stats into DUST514Stats.com and see where you end up on the combined ranking? Look at both the Support rating and the Combo score, to understand if you're doing a good job. Regards, G Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with DUST514Stats.com. Team Fairy DUST HTTP://Dust.Thang.DK/ - DUST514 Fitting Tool based on DUST SDE

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 142	Posted - 2014.04.30 07:01:00 - [51] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. Never worked mine out before and was pleasantly surprised to be at 240. I officially like this thread. Being a logi is tantamount to having a large bullseye on the front and back of your head as well as being yellow !!!! So being able to kill when required is for me another aspect of the logi role. Communication and running with a squad is good but I also like the challenge of running solo and helping randoms. Cool thread btw. GÇ£Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.GÇ¥ GÇò Frank Zappa
XxVEXESxX Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 13	Posted - 2014.04.30 07:01:00 - [52] - Quote I've run min logi with great success. 2.37kdr 4.5 mil wps. Cover, Awareness and Aim make good logis. If your running negative somethings a miss.
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 139	Posted - 2014.04.30 09:44:00 - [53] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with: 100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite? Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol. Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have. Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396 WP/d for the month = 590 WP/d this week = 586 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4358	Posted - 2014.04.30 11:22:00 - [54] - Quote Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I know you're a good player, and have created multiple characters to figure out the best sp allocation for a newer player, so I do believe you are truly trying to be a logi :) As for equipment, try nanohives, armour rep and any 3rd equipment (triage hives?) that may be a bit of a better set up and may be more "logi-esque" :) This made my day. You are probably the first person to make my constant restarting seem like a good thing, everyone else I have told just got dumbfounded and/or called me an idiot. I just wish I had kept track of how many times I restarted so I would be able to say a definite number, but over the past 8 months I have been playing I know I have at least broken 100. Logi has definitely been my favourite role, with Scout coming second, and Commando scoring a nice third. As always, Glantix / Snow Haha well it's true, I was to lazy to wait the 8 hours to create a new toon, and I've been here for 3(?) respecs so I've had quite the learning experience in terms of sp allocation. As for logis, there are a few different types of logis, there is the full out medic (common concept of a true logi) (rep tool injector, equipment 3) or there is more "combat engineer" type logis (nanohives, uplinks, scanner(?)) so perhaps you are a combat engineer more than a logi-medic Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 648	Posted - 2014.04.30 11:37:00 - [55] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with: 100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite? Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol. Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have. Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck WP Wh_re But seriously, we found where the elite benchmark is. I didnt expect your k/d to be so low tho. Maybe I am more of a slayer logi than I thought. Btw i like that you slipped your monthly wp/d in there. Im sure we all sucked horribly at logi when we started (at least I did,) kinda skews the stats. I'll have to see what my monthly is. Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2771	Posted - 2014.04.30 11:50:00 - [56] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Crazy Cat Lady wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with: 100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite? Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol. Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have. Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck WP Wh_re But seriously, we found where the elite benchmark is. I didnt expect your k/d to be so low tho. Maybe I am more of a slayer logi than I thought. Btw i like that you slipped your monthly wp/d in there. Im sure we all sucked horribly at logi when we started (at least I did,) kinda skews the stats. I'll have to see what my monthly is. I knew her k/d but... Daaaaayyyyyymn I did not expect to see over 500! I am bad and should feel bad! Guess it's time to ditch the LR assault suit and start whoring... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
lrian Locust Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 408	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:00:00 - [57] - Quote In a universe where mercs can't die, KDR doesn't mean anything. The win/loss ratio is the most important index to judge the value of a merc, next to their average WP/match. Quit whining about KDR, Dust isn't CoD.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 648	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:14:00 - [58] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: In a universe where mercs can't die, KDR doesn't mean anything. The win/loss ratio is the most important index to judge the value of a merc, next to their average WP/match. Quit whining about KDR, Dust isn't CoD. No but you can be cloned. So k/dr should matter to everyone to some extent. Doesn't matter how well you do if you get cloned out. Most PC battles are determined by clones, not MCC Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
RolyatDerTeufel 1725	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:24:00 - [59] - Quote http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/George-Popcorn.gif ^ me as I read this thread. waiting...... waiting...... pokes a few logi about this thread Twitch.TV Live Stream YouTube Channel
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2775	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:41:00 - [60] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/George-Popcorn.gif ^ me as I read this thread. waiting...... waiting...... pokes a few logi about this thread True, this is the Dust forums after all. Apologies for being so calm and constructive. You may have to keep waiting. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2778	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:46:00 - [61] - Quote I motion to approve these criteria as listed. Do I have a second? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Gotmy Tightpantson S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 47	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:54:00 - [62] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Been playing the game regularly since December and I currently run 2 types of suits... -Minmitar logi (80% of the time) -Caldari Scout (20% of time) When I run the logi, I usually have either my six kin or core focused repper out and I use it to support my team-mates while they do the killing. I make reviving downed team-mates my priority and I'll only break out my assault rifle when I'm playing alone or when I'm forced to due to an enemy flanking our position and engaging me directly. The end result of this style of play is that I mostly end up having a KDR under 1 and I score a shitload of WPs. When I run the Scout, I basically just focus on killing enemies and end up having a KDR above 1 and I score an average amount of WPs. So my lifetime KDR is under 1, yet I feel like I contribute more to the team as a logi then as a scout. Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor? My opinion is, Logis were meant to be the equipment carriers/reppers. So dont worry about the KDR if thats your suit. If you are racking up points repping and such, you are contributing to your team/squad in a big way. Of course...you can use the logi suit however you want and turn it into a slayer suit I guess. Id say its really up to the player wearing the suit in which direction they wanna take it. Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?! http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 305	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:07:00 - [63] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck HAIL TO THE LOGI QUEEN!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2784	Posted - 2014.04.30 21:19:00 - [64] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I motion to approve these criteria as listed. Do I have a second? Really? Nobody took the bait? That is no fun at all! Going to have to start another thread, methinks. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 655	Posted - 2014.05.01 04:24:00 - [65] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: I motion to approve these criteria as listed. Do I have a second? Really? Nobody took the bait? That is no fun at all! Going to have to start another thread, methinks. I'll second (sorry i was gone so long.) Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?


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