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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2759	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:33:00 - [1] - Quote Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2760	Posted - 2014.04.29 21:38:00 - [2] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2763	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:45:00 - [3] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot. My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot. Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle! Lol. Can we just call it a tie? Deal. We both win! And lose. ( at least every few months, that is) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2763	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:46:00 - [4] - Quote horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2763	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:01:00 - [5] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: horad c wrote: logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2764	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:19:00 - [6] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Lv2spd2 wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone? I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. Well even at 200 if you convert the points back into "kills" at 50 points a pop, thats a 4.0 kd Yeah, that's sorta the lines along which I was thinking, since a 3.0 KDR is what I hear slayers use as their benchmark - but 150 WP/D sounded low because that's 10 deaths for 1500 WP. 5 deaths for 1000 sounded pretty reasonable as a logi benchmark. (Plus, I'm a little over that so all the better to set it there! ) So that leaves us with: 100 WP/d: scrub 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: very good? Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2771	Posted - 2014.04.30 11:50:00 - [7] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Crazy Cat Lady wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with: 100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite? Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol. Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have. Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck WP Wh_re But seriously, we found where the elite benchmark is. I didnt expect your k/d to be so low tho. Maybe I am more of a slayer logi than I thought. Btw i like that you slipped your monthly wp/d in there. Im sure we all sucked horribly at logi when we started (at least I did,) kinda skews the stats. I'll have to see what my monthly is. I knew her k/d but... Daaaaayyyyyymn I did not expect to see over 500! I am bad and should feel bad! Guess it's time to ditch the LR assault suit and start whoring... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2775	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:41:00 - [8] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/George-Popcorn.gif ^ me as I read this thread. waiting...... waiting...... pokes a few logi about this thread True, this is the Dust forums after all. Apologies for being so calm and constructive. You may have to keep waiting. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2778	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:46:00 - [9] - Quote I motion to approve these criteria as listed. Do I have a second? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2784	Posted - 2014.04.30 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I motion to approve these criteria as listed. Do I have a second? Really? Nobody took the bait? That is no fun at all! Going to have to start another thread, methinks. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

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