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Glantix Karmic-Snow
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:31:00 -
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800 000 lifetime sp
Lvl 3 Nanocircuitry Lvl 1 CaLogi Lvl 1 Modules Lvl 1 Rail Rifle Lvl 2 Grenadier
I don't have more points put into weapons than my equipment. As for running a Nanite Injector, I want my role to be dedicated to ammo resupply. I know it doesn't give out very many points but it is something people rarely do, so I feel it is something that I and mainly I alone can contribute to my team. Running a Nanite Injector would reduce the number of hives I drop out by 33% at Adv or Proto, and I don't want that to take away from the niche I fulfil.
If I am still not considered a true Logi, then whatever. I know I am contributing to my team by acting as both an Ammo Resupply unit and as a Frontline Assault-like suit, and no-one can convince me otherwise.
Sincerely, Glantix / Snow |
horad c
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:33:00 -
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logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well
DNS - we the best ... and yall fuc*king SUCK
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2763
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:45:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:P14GU3 wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot.
My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot.
Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative. Thank you for saying what I didn't put into words well. My K/D maybe above one, but it's usually because I didn't die, not because I did a lot of killing. Edited for grammatical errors You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle! Lol. Can we just call it a tie?
Deal. We both win! And lose. ( at least every few months, that is)
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2763
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:46:00 -
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horad c wrote:logi's need a heal / death ratio ... meaning how much they heal / over how much they die and it should be shown at the end of the match and have their place in the leaderboards as well
That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone?
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:53:00 -
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I think I have a KD/R
I can't tell. I'm too busy responding to demands for more ammo and fixing booboo's |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:53:00 -
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Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote:800 000 lifetime sp
Lvl 3 Nanocircuitry Lvl 1 CaLogi Lvl 1 Modules Lvl 1 Rail Rifle Lvl 2 Grenadier
I don't have more points put into weapons than my equipment. As for running a Nanite Injector, I want my role to be dedicated to ammo resupply. I know it doesn't give out very many points but it is something people rarely do, so I feel it is something that I and mainly I alone can contribute to my team. Running a Nanite Injector would reduce the number of hives I drop out by 33% at Adv or Proto, and I don't want that to take away from the niche I fulfil.
If I am still not considered a true Logi, then whatever. I know I am contributing to my team by acting as both an Ammo Resupply unit and as a Frontline Assault-like suit, and no-one can convince me otherwise.
Sincerely, Glantix / Snow That's actually pretty good for how new you are. I wasn't trying to bash your playstyle at all. Not many needle anymore either (at least not seriously.) With a proto needle, a callogi can pick up downed mercs with 100% armor. With Amarr and Gal heavys getting close to 2k armor, it can be invaluable on the battlefield.
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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Will Driver
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:55:00 -
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One of the things I do enjoy about DUST is that there is not one definition of success. Players will debate whether success looks like high K/D ratio, WP, ISK or victory/defeat ratio (among others), they all have there place depending on a player's priorities.
I've seen support Logi's have a great multiplier effect on a game. I've revived a Logi, seen him go on to revive others, we're that much ahead of the other team. One uplink goes down on the enemy side, I spawn in and put down 2 more, suddenly we're pinching the red-dots from two sides. If I'm repping a Heavy and so he stands in the fire fight longer than our adversary, and we are able to push the point/clear a room, we're that much closer to winning the match.
Those are the kind of games I enjoy most, when I feel I'm really making a difference. Did I win the game by myself, heck no, but I have the satisfaction that I played a crucial role. I may even top the leaderboard in WPs sometimes, that's pretty cool!
I wish I could be a great slayer Logi, and brag about my K/D. I wish for a lot of things that will never be. For those who can and do have a great K/D, my hat's off to them. They are better slayers than me. But I will still find a way to contribute, I'll hack, drop uplinks, resupply ammo, rep/revive team mates (after clearing a threat). If there's tank or dropship problem, I'll break out my Swarmers and at least chase them off for a while.
So the point, some will prefer one style over the other. I think you should just do what you can to contribute and have fun, and don't worry about what is "best."
Side note, seems like there are a lot fewer Logis around since 1.8 (everyone is Scouting I think, which I've also dabbled in). But when I'm repping, I literally have the Heavies lining up for help - that generates a lot of WP for yours truly
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1864
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:00:00 -
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When you see players in First place on the leaderboards but with scores like 0/0, 1/1, 2/2 etc... You know they are beast.. Often right under is someone that goes 20+kills/0deaths that they where supporting.
Often the Logi's have some of the best killing ability in the squad aswell but has to put that aside to repair someone or pick someone up quick.. Most of these Logi's started off killing and slaying, then soon found out they had little time to do so in an active squad being so aware of their surroundings.
Good logi's make their kills from the enemies that are flanking their squad.. And often are left to fight the threat alone as the squad mates are oblivious to their Logi... A Good Logi can literally pull out wins single handily saving 20-30 clones in pick ups and similar numbers in armor repairs. |
Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:02:00 -
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I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average.
On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
644
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:31:00 -
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Lv2spd2 wrote:I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :(
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2763
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:01:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Lv2spd2 wrote:I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :(
Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop
I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
4353
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:01:00 -
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Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:The only logi that can be considered as acceptable to get a KD of 1+ in a match is the amarr logi, it's the assault oriented logi so I believe that it's acceptable to do slightly more killing with an amarr logi.
If you are a true logi, than my hats off to ya, respect.
If you're one of those murder logis who just use logis as beefed up assaults......i blame you for causing us logis to lose our armour rep bonus..... With an excess amount of module slots, only 3 equipment, and a Racial bonus to deployable equipment, I feel that the CaLogi is equally as deserving of being considered more of an Assault Logi. Especially ones like me who only run Nanohives and nothing else. I don't care if you say I'm doing it wrong or that I am not a LogiBro. My job is clear, make sure my team is stocked up on ammo. This involves making sure my hives are in a good position, and always keeping one on me in case a squad member needs ammo but can't get to one my hives quickly. Aside from this though, I have nothing else to do but kill, or at least grant support fire. Sincerely, Glantix / Snow Haha the callogi is in a tough situation, it was the go to murder logi for the longest time (from 1.0 - 1.7) I believe that the callogi is more of a skirmisher type logi, it's sort of the counterpart to the amarr logi. Amarr logi is like the most assault oriented, slower, but has the sidearm slot, wereas callogi is the second most assault oriented, high mobility, very high regen. If it came down to holding down the point, id pick the amarr logi, but for aggressive attacking on multiple points, callogi is probably he best for that. If you truly logi, than again, my hats off to you, if not, then...... Couldn't have said it better myself. As for if I'm a true Logi, I can at least say I do not use damage mods. I don't use the rep tool of injector, so I am not a LogiBro, but I do support by dropping nanohives where needed(A whole 3 hives, yay for next-to-no skill points). I also find myself using my AV nades a lot, and I have to say, with nanohives even the basic ones can severely damage or kill a tank. But most of the time I am trying to get kills with my Rail Rifle...... Does this mean I should not be considered a true Logi? Sincerely, Glantix / Snow I know you're a good player, and have created multiple characters to figure out the best sp allocation for a newer player, so I do believe you are truly trying to be a logi :)
As for equipment, try nanohives, armour rep and any 3rd equipment (triage hives?) that may be a bit of a better set up and may be more "logi-esque" :)
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
663
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:13:00 -
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I use my caldari scout as a logi. One less equipment slot but 78 passive scans keeping you safe from bricked scouts. Best support build evar. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:19:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Lv2spd2 wrote:I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. Well even at 200 if you convert the points back into "kills" at 50 points a pop, thats a 4.0 kd
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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akira 1999
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
60
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:19:00 -
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Minnie logi
proto rep gun going for proto hives and pen
the combat medic. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2764
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:19:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Lv2spd2 wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:
That's what WP/D is for, though it must admit I'm not sure what the benchmark should be for that. Anyone?
I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good. Well even at 200 if you convert the points back into "kills" at 50 points a pop, thats a 4.0 kd
Yeah, that's sorta the lines along which I was thinking, since a 3.0 KDR is what I hear slayers use as their benchmark - but 150 WP/D sounded low because that's 10 deaths for 1500 WP. 5 deaths for 1000 sounded pretty reasonable as a logi benchmark. (Plus, I'm a little over that so all the better to set it there! )
So that leaves us with:
100 WP/d: scrub 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: very good?
Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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IR Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:13:00 -
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A good logi is definitely someone who keeps their teammates repped and repaired. But the better logi knows when to switch to his gun. Too often I find myself being the team spotter while rolling with the rep tool because the assaults and heavies get tunnel vision (having a better passive scan then them helps). We don't often lead the squads be I often find that the logis are the ones directing everyone where to go. |
Glantix Karmic-Snow
Frozen Karma
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Posted - 2014.04.30 05:52:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote: I know you're a good player, and have created multiple characters to figure out the best sp allocation for a newer player, so I do believe you are truly trying to be a logi :)
As for equipment, try nanohives, armour rep and any 3rd equipment (triage hives?) that may be a bit of a better set up and may be more "logi-esque" :)
This made my day. You are probably the first person to make my constant restarting seem like a good thing, everyone else I have told just got dumbfounded and/or called me an idiot.
I just wish I had kept track of how many times I restarted so I would be able to say a definite number, but over the past 8 months I have been playing I know I have at least broken 100.
Logi has definitely been my favourite role, with Scout coming second, and Commando scoring a nice third.
As always, Glantix / Snow |
Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:01:00 -
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I rarely get better than a 1KDR when I'm running logi. As full support that doesn't bother me.
When I can get 5000+ WP and 400k+ ISK for a match my K/D can suck it. If I want to kill I go solo with a scout or heavy. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
769
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:07:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor?
Mr. Noobiam, Can I suggest that you punch your stats into DUST514Stats.com and see where you end up on the combined ranking? Look at both the Support rating and the Combo score, to understand if you're doing a good job.
Regards, G
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:01:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Lv2spd2 wrote:I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average. On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths. Better than mine. I'm about 180/death. You also have a better k/d than me tho. :( Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good.
Never worked mine out before and was pleasantly surprised to be at 240. I officially like this thread.
Being a logi is tantamount to having a large bullseye on the front and back of your head as well as being yellow !!!! So being able to kill when required is for me another aspect of the logi role. Communication and running with a squad is good but I also like the challenge of running solo and helping randoms.
Cool thread btw.
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XxVEXESxX
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:01:00 -
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I've run min logi with great success. 2.37kdr 4.5 mil wps.
Cover, Awareness and Aim make good logis. If your running negative somethings a miss.
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Crazy Cat Lady
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
139
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:44:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with:
100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite?
Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol.
Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have.
Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then..
- WP/d lifetime = 396
- WP/d for the month = 590
- WP/d this week = 586
But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
4358
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:22:00 -
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Glantix Karmic-Snow wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote: I know you're a good player, and have created multiple characters to figure out the best sp allocation for a newer player, so I do believe you are truly trying to be a logi :)
As for equipment, try nanohives, armour rep and any 3rd equipment (triage hives?) that may be a bit of a better set up and may be more "logi-esque" :)
This made my day. You are probably the first person to make my constant restarting seem like a good thing, everyone else I have told just got dumbfounded and/or called me an idiot. I just wish I had kept track of how many times I restarted so I would be able to say a definite number, but over the past 8 months I have been playing I know I have at least broken 100. Logi has definitely been my favourite role, with Scout coming second, and Commando scoring a nice third. As always, Glantix / Snow Haha well it's true, I was to lazy to wait the 8 hours to create a new toon, and I've been here for 3(?) respecs so I've had quite the learning experience in terms of sp allocation.
As for logis, there are a few different types of logis, there is the full out medic (common concept of a true logi) (rep tool injector, equipment 3) or there is more "combat engineer" type logis (nanohives, uplinks, scanner(?)) so perhaps you are a combat engineer more than a logi-medic
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:37:00 -
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Crazy Cat Lady wrote:John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with:
100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite?
Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol.
Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have. Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck WP Wh_re
But seriously, we found where the elite benchmark is. I didnt expect your k/d to be so low tho. Maybe I am more of a slayer logi than I thought.
Btw i like that you slipped your monthly wp/d in there. Im sure we all sucked horribly at logi when we started (at least I did,) kinda skews the stats. I'll have to see what my monthly is.
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
2771
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:50:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Crazy Cat Lady wrote:John Demonsbane wrote: So that leaves us with:
100 WP/d: scrub 150 WP/d: average 200 WP/d: good 300 WP/d: elite?
Not sure where to put elite, maybe we should check with crazy cat lady, lol.
Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have. Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590 But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck WP Wh_re But seriously, we found where the elite benchmark is. I didnt expect your k/d to be so low tho. Maybe I am more of a slayer logi than I thought. Btw i like that you slipped your monthly wp/d in there. Im sure we all sucked horribly at logi when we started (at least I did,) kinda skews the stats. I'll have to see what my monthly is.
I knew her k/d but... Daaaaayyyyyymn I did not expect to see over 500! I am bad and should feel bad!
Guess it's time to ditch the LR assault suit and start whoring...
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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lrian Locust
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:00:00 -
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In a universe where mercs can't die, KDR doesn't mean anything.
The win/loss ratio is the most important index to judge the value of a merc, next to their average WP/match.
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:14:00 -
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lrian Locust wrote:In a universe where mercs can't die, KDR doesn't mean anything.
The win/loss ratio is the most important index to judge the value of a merc, next to their average WP/match.
Quit whining about KDR, Dust isn't CoD. No but you can be cloned. So k/dr should matter to everyone to some extent. Doesn't matter how well you do if you get cloned out. Most PC battles are determined by clones, not MCC
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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RolyatDerTeufel
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:24:00 -
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http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/George-Popcorn.gif
^ me as I read this thread.
waiting...... waiting......
*pokes a few logi about this thread*
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:41:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/George-Popcorn.gif
^ me as I read this thread.
waiting...... waiting......
*pokes a few logi about this thread*
True, this is the Dust forums after all. Apologies for being so calm and constructive. You may have to keep waiting.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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