Been playing the game regularly since December and I currently run 2 types of suits...

-Minmitar logi (80% of the time)
-Caldari Scout (20% of time)

When I run the logi, I usually have either my six kin or core focused repper out and I use it to support my team-mates while they do the killing. I make reviving downed team-mates my priority and I'll only break out my assault rifle when I'm playing alone or when I'm forced to due to an enemy flanking our position and engaging me directly. The end result of this style of play is that I mostly end up having a KDR under 1 and I score a shitload of WPs.

When I run the Scout, I basically just focus on killing enemies and end up having a KDR above 1 and I score an average amount of WPs.

So my lifetime KDR is under 1, yet I feel like I contribute more to the team as a logi then as a scout.

Question to the community... How do you perceive logis who focus on supporting their team (especially heavies) as opposed to being slayer logis? Should logis strive to be slayers? Kill, kill, kill, then rep whoever is left standing after the fire fight. Or should logis keep the repper on the big boys and make sure they can mow down the opposition without worrying about their armor?

When I started playing Dust, I started off as a Logi (this was before racial suits so there was only one logi) and my KD/R was horrible. But thats how I liked it. I was a support logi. Reptool, Injector, Nanohives. My weapon was only there if my Heavy died or I was separated.

Now that there are different races, the role has changed, however when I run my MinLogi, I stick to the first role I did: Support, with reptool injector and hives. And my KD/R on my MinLogi is still horrible.

For people saying that having a KD/R above 1 is 'doing well' as a logi, they obviously have been Logis since the different suits that came out and have been and have been running Kill Logis. I do not believe that these logis are true logis. A logi that does well can earn 2k+ WP in a 50 man ambush.

KD/R does not and should not matter to LogiBros, only WPs.

So just because you have a positive KD/R doesn't mean I should take your advice. Also back then the Mass Driver was a bit OP.

As I said before, KD/R isn't important to support logis. We are (as someone said before) War Point Whores. So why should I bother killing?

Really it's not so much that your KDR shouldn't matter as a logi, it's more so that you shouldn't die a lot.

My KDR is around 1 and slowly creeping up, but it's slow going because I average maybe 4-5 kills at most a battle when really playing logi. Having a KDR below 1 as a logi is fine IMO, if you are not dying a lot.

Example: If you consistently pull a lot of WP but go 1/2 every time, your KDR is crap at 0.5 but you are overall a benefit to the team assuming they perform well with your support. If instead you are going 8/16, you are dying entirely too much and probably a net negative.

You're welcome. Though I might put my LR against your MD in the who's had the biggest nerf/buff cycle!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As for if I'm a true Logi, I can at least say I do not use damage mods. I don't use the rep tool of injector, so I am not a LogiBro, but I do support by dropping nanohives where needed(A whole 3 hives, yay for next-to-no skill points). I also find myself using my AV nades a lot, and I have to say, with nanohives even the basic ones can severely damage or kill a tank. But most of the time I am trying to get kills with my Rail Rifle......

Does this mean I should not be considered a true Logi?

Sincerely, Glantix / Snow

800 000 lifetime sp

Lvl 3 Nanocircuitry
Lvl 1 CaLogi
Lvl 1 Modules
Lvl 1 Rail Rifle
Lvl 2 Grenadier

I don't have more points put into weapons than my equipment. As for running a Nanite Injector, I want my role to be dedicated to ammo resupply. I know it doesn't give out very many points but it is something people rarely do, so I feel it is something that I and mainly I alone can contribute to my team. Running a Nanite Injector would reduce the number of hives I drop out by 33% at Adv or Proto, and I don't want that to take away from the niche I fulfil.

If I am still not considered a true Logi, then whatever. I know I am contributing to my team by acting as both an Ammo Resupply unit and as a Frontline Assault-like suit, and no-one can convince me otherwise.

Sincerely, Glantix / Snow

I dunno for sure, but as a near full time logi, mine is at about 275 WP per death, so let's call that "average" until proven below average.

On the off chance there is anyone reading this that doesn't know, to determine your WPs/D, just look at your player card, and divide lifetime WPs by total deaths.

Yeah, 275 is pretty solid. Mine was 250 before I spent the last month running LR assault in ambush nonstop

I was going to say about 200 or so would be the point at which you transition from average to good.

Measuring a logi's value using their character's stats- We all recognize that this wont paint a full picture of their performance but I guess we have to work with what we have.


Using a WP/d ration ... hmmm well being a full support logi can often mean intentionally sacrificing your own life so your friend can keep enough HP up to get through the opposition (best friends carry nanite injectors just for you ). But if this is the one you want then.. WP/d lifetime = 396, WP/d for the month = 590

But I have a KDR of 0.39 so I totally suck

In a universe where mercs can't die, KDR doesn't mean anything.

The win/loss ratio is the most important index to judge the value of a merc, next to their average WP/match.

Quit whining about KDR, Dust isn't CoD.

Really? Nobody took the bait? That is no fun at all!

Going to have to start another thread, methinks.