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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:05:00 -
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I am not saying that the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is bad, it isn't; the slot layout is amazing leading to many diverse fits.
What I am saying is that comparatively to the other scout suits, the Amarr Scout is complete and utter terribad garbage TRASH.
Caldari - Can see all which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Gallente - Can't be seen which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Minmatar - Hack speed bonus, in short, the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE DAMNED GAME, HACKING THINGS
Amarr - Stamina pool and recovery, good for still running slower than everyone else and not being able to go further than the other scouts. We have graphs proving this.
Even with profile dampeners, Cal Scouts can see me. Even with precision enhancers, other scouts sneak up on me, Even when I need to hack or move quickly, Min scouts hack quicker, and all the scouts move faster.
Yeah I'm mad and I challenge someone to give me a GOOD and SOLID positive of the Amarr scout that it has over any of the other scouts BESIDES brick tanking to have high eHP.
=^,.,^=
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3058
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:09:00 -
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5% to ScP RoF.....
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
4567
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:11:00 -
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For the Amarr!
Buff them till they're OP!
It's only the natural way of things, we should be superior to all races, for we are superior as a peoples.
May the Empress live forever.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2290
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:12:00 -
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*shrug* I posted furiously about this repeatedly leading up to 1.8 during the feedback phase, to no effect. I doubt it's going to change now.
Nerdier than thou
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:12:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:5% to ScP RoF.....
Preferably some sort of EWAR bonus.
=^,.,^=
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
3095
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:12:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:For the Amarr!
Buff them till they're OP!
It's only the natural way of things, we should be superior to all races, for we are superior as a peoples.
May the Empress live forever.
She probably will ;D
ak.0 // 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak // I speak for the trees.
Jillic gave me my 3000th like!
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7427
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:14:00 -
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How about this:
Quote:+X% Scrambler Pistol ROF Per Level
The X represents the 1/5 of the Scrambler Pistol ROF nerf, effectively 'un-nerfing' the Scrambler Pistol at Operation V.
Are Scrambler Pistols competitive enough?
Proposed Mobile CRU Changes
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3058
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:16:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:5% to ScP RoF..... Preferably some sort of EWAR bonus.
Well all we have left is.... I'm sorry sir we're all out of useful sh*t.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
3095
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:How about this: Quote:+X% Scrambler Pistol ROF Per Level The X represents the 1/5 of the Scrambler Pistol ROF nerf, effectively 'un-nerfing' the Scrambler Pistol at Operation V. Are Scrambler Pistols competitive enough?
That would be OP; ScP was devastatingly powerful in 1.7; I honestly preferred my Carthum to my Viziam ScR inside 30m.
On my Amarr Assault.
With an extra 2 shots in the magazine? No, that's excessive.
ak.0 // 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak // I speak for the trees.
Jillic gave me my 3000th like!
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Onesimus Tarsus
703rd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1944
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:19:00 -
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They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout.
1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy.
I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9869
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:20:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout.
Thats assuming you use armour plates....which you really never should, how else do you fit the two Dampeners, Armour Repper, and Kin Kats you need?
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4587
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:22:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout.
That would shoehorn people into using armor plates over other modules.
=^,.,^=
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3061
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:24:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout.
Hell then we should really just call it an assault with that bonus
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7428
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:26:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:That would be OP; ScP was devastatingly powerful in 1.7; I honestly preferred my Carthum to my Viziam ScR inside 30m.
On my Amarr Assault.
With an extra 2 shots in the magazine? No, that's excessive.
Isn't that the point?
Sidearms are supposed to be devastating in CQC, while having less range than their Light/Heavy Weapon counterparts. Not to mention the fact that the Scrambler Rifle should never be preferable in CQC (bar the Assault Scrambler Rifle).
That seemed working as intended to me. The only way to "LOLWTFBBQPWN" someone was with headshots, and they did next to crap in Long Range Combat compared to Light Weapons.
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Onesimus Tarsus
703rd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1944
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:34:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout. Hell then we should really just call it an assault with that bonus
Fastest dang assault out there. And, I'm assuming Amarr scouts still have the stamina bonus.
1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy.
I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
3157
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:38:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:5% to ScP RoF.....
*remembers pre nerfed ScP*
Nope nope nope.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Forever ETC
703rd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
411
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:38:00 -
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I'm just thinking out loud here, what if it could dual wield side arms... Scrambler on my right, Magsec on my left.
Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd.
Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013
THIS IS AMARR!!!
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
3097
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:That would be OP; ScP was devastatingly powerful in 1.7; I honestly preferred my Carthum to my Viziam ScR inside 30m.
On my Amarr Assault.
With an extra 2 shots in the magazine? No, that's excessive. Isn't that the point? Sidearms are supposed to be devastating in CQC, while having less range than their Light/Heavy Weapon counterparts. Not to mention the fact that the Scrambler Rifle should never be preferable in CQC (bar the Assault Scrambler Rifle). That seemed working as intended to me. The only way to "LOLWTFBBQPWN" someone was with headshots, and they did next to crap in Long Range Combat compared to Light Weapons.
The thing is that I'm a bad shot.
I would get only body shots. (Mostly.)
The ScP performs in exactly the same manner to the ScR, only with short range and high damage, and now lower RoF
While I agree that the ScR shouldn't really be a CQC weapon (and it isn't anymore, thanks to the nerf; can't deal with armour buffer) the ScP shouldn't have been a better weapon for the same situation.
I think increasing headshot damage would be better than increasing RoF; reward skill over spam. (Which seems to be the defining characteristic of the pistols at this point)
ak.0 // 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak // I speak for the trees.
Jillic gave me my 3000th like!
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1372
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:40:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I am not saying that the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is bad, it isn't; the slot layout is amazing leading to many diverse fits.
What I am saying is that comparatively to the other scout suits, the Amarr Scout is complete and utter terribad garbage TRASH.
Caldari - Can see all which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Gallente - Can't be seen which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Minmatar - Hack speed bonus, in short, the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE DAMNED GAME, HACKING THINGS
Amarr - Stamina pool and recovery, good for still running slower than everyone else and not being able to go further than the other scouts. We have graphs proving this.
Even with profile dampeners, Cal Scouts can see me. Even with precision enhancers, other scouts sneak up on me, Even when I need to hack or move quickly, Min scouts hack quicker, and all the scouts move faster.
Yeah I'm mad and I challenge someone to give me a GOOD and SOLID positive of the Amarr scout that it has over any of the other scouts BESIDES brick tanking to have high eHP.
I'd be happy with a bonus that reduces heat build up for the ScR. Or an increase in mag capacity for ScP.
My Amarr weapons are the best. But only with the OHR bonus.
Crush them
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
231
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:41:00 -
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A-scout should have a dmg resistance of 1% per level totally 5%. I think that is very fair and is in line with the Amarr's way of tech.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:42:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:I am not saying that the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is bad, it isn't; the slot layout is amazing leading to many diverse fits.
What I am saying is that comparatively to the other scout suits, the Amarr Scout is complete and utter terribad garbage TRASH.
Caldari - Can see all which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Gallente - Can't be seen which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Minmatar - Hack speed bonus, in short, the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE DAMNED GAME, HACKING THINGS
Amarr - Stamina pool and recovery, good for still running slower than everyone else and not being able to go further than the other scouts. We have graphs proving this.
Even with profile dampeners, Cal Scouts can see me. Even with precision enhancers, other scouts sneak up on me, Even when I need to hack or move quickly, Min scouts hack quicker, and all the scouts move faster.
Yeah I'm mad and I challenge someone to give me a GOOD and SOLID positive of the Amarr scout that it has over any of the other scouts BESIDES brick tanking to have high eHP.
I'd be happy with a bonus that reduces heat build up for the ScR. Or an increase in mag capacity for ScP. My Amarr weapons are the best. But only with the OHR bonus.
Personally, I feel the overheat bonus should go to all Amarr suits as a standard.
=^,.,^=
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4587
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:43:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:A scout should have a dmg resistance of 1% per level totally 5%. I think that is very fair and is in line with the Amarr's way of tech.
YES YES YES YES YES! A resistance bonus would be amazing.
=^,.,^=
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
7428
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:43:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout.
So basically negate the sacrifice that balances the Scout's eWAR and Speed capabilities in the first place?
I don't think you want 8-900HP suits running around with cloaks and 0% speed penalty.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
244
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:44:00 -
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Can someone explain how the ability to be invisible for less PG and CPU, being able to run whilst invisible to near the other end of the map with a few seconds to get stamina back not a good bonus? put a complex kin cat and cardiac reg. you run for 75 seconds and get all that back in about 6 seconds. that bonus is fine. it just needs an ewar bonus. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2444
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:47:00 -
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You guys also have more health than us. Why do Amarr Scouts always leave that part out?
Only thing that would be cooler is if the bonus gave a little more than currently, but not enough to make it OP to running 600 with faster stamina regen than a minmatar. |
Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:50:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:You guys also have more health than us. Why do Amarr Scouts always leave that part out?
Only thing that would be cooler is if the bonus gave a little more than currently, but not enough to make it OP to running 600 with faster stamina regen than a minmatar.
You clearly didn't read the OP.
=^,.,^=
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
4464
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:How about this: Quote:+X% Scrambler Pistol ROF Per Level The X represents the 1/5 of the Scrambler Pistol ROF nerf, effectively 'un-nerfing' the Scrambler Pistol at Operation V. Are Scrambler Pistols competitive enough?
Even with Gimped ROF, they still heavily outclass most pistols (Flaylock, Ion, Bolt)
Throw this back in, and the other three are done for.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2603
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Posted - 2014.04.29 01:58:00 -
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With a reduction to armor speed penalty it would have its niche. It would not be the ewar specialist that the caldari or gallente scouts are, but it would certainly still have a place in the game. It would essentially be a light assault suit with a cloak, but that is kind of the amarr way, they are meant to be EHP kings. |
Onesimus Tarsus
703rd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1944
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Posted - 2014.04.29 02:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout. So basically negate the sacrifice that balances the Scout's eWAR and Speed capabilities in the first place? I don't think you want 8-900HP suits running around with cloaks and 0% speed penalty.
Yeah. Kinda.
1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy.
I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
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Scheneighnay McBob
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
4970
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Posted - 2014.04.29 02:08:00 -
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The skill could be buffed, it's not bad for some scout play styles.
Amarr need to get new equipment ASAP so we (scouts) can take the uplink bonus that's rightfully ours.
/timetravel
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