DUST Search - For Christ's Sake, Give the Amarr Scout a Competitive Bonus

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

I am not saying that the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is bad, it isn't; the slot layout is amazing leading to many diverse fits.

What I am saying is that comparatively to the other scout suits, the Amarr Scout is complete and utter terribad garbage TRASH.

Caldari - Can see all which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Gallente - Can't be seen which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles
Minmatar - Hack speed bonus, in short, the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE DAMNED GAME, HACKING THINGS
Amarr - Stamina pool and recovery, good for still running slower than everyone else and not being able to go further than the other scouts. We have graphs proving this.

Even with profile dampeners, Cal Scouts can see me. Even with precision enhancers, other scouts sneak up on me, Even when I need to hack or move quickly, Min scouts hack quicker, and all the scouts move faster.

Yeah I'm mad and I challenge someone to give me a GOOD and SOLID positive of the Amarr scout that it has over any of the other scouts BESIDES brick tanking to have high eHP.

EDIT

Since it is apparent the Amarr scout is really an assault suit in disguise, my proposed bonus is a weapon ROF bonus.

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ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 575	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:08:00 - [31] - Quote well to start out it is a scout so it gets all that the class provides: speed, low sig, high precision, 50% longer base scan range, the smallest hitbox and can cloak viably. it has the same slot layout as a Gal scout with more CPU allowing for more divers fits and has higher base armor. it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to get under the raider of a cal scouts p scan. one complex damp and a cloak lets it beat a triple precision cal. you can show me all the charts and graphs you want, but you're under selling the stamina bonus. max kin cats and feroscale plates work like a charm for me. IDK it's whatever you can make out of it. out of all the scouts it is the best for straight combat combat. think of it as a slightly weaker assault with two equipment slots. Thr33 is the magic number.
MINA Longstrike 577	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:12:00 - [32] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: 5% to ScP RoF..... That is a completely ***ing useless bonus that adresses none of the amarr scouts issues nor is it even needed or god for the ScP. Stop trying to shoehorn your whining about the scrambler pistol getting appropriately balanced into discussions about the scout class. A bonus to a class of suit should define* its playstyle, as it does with sentinels, commandos, logis and every other role in the game aside from the amarr scout. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4591	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:15:00 - [33] - Quote ugg reset wrote: well to start out it is a scout so it gets all that the class provides: speed, low sig, high precision, 50% longer base scan range, the smallest hitbox and can cloak viably. it has the same slot layout as a Gal scout with more CPU allowing for more divers fits and has higher base armor. it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to get under the raider of a cal scouts p scan. one complex damp and a cloak lets it beat a triple precision cal. you can show me all the charts and graphs you want, but you're under selling the stamina bonus. max kin cats and feroscale plates work like a charm for me. IDK it's whatever you can make out of it. out of all the scouts it is the best for straight combat. think of it as a slightly weaker assault with two equipment slots. Ok, well tell CCP to rename it to the Amarr Light Assault, oh wait, it's called the Amarr SCOUT. =^,.,^=
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3064	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:20:00 - [34] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: 5% to ScP RoF..... That is a completely ***ing useless bonus that adresses none of the amarr scouts issues nor is it even needed or god for the ScP*. Stop trying to shoehorn your whining about the scrambler pistol getting appropriately balanced into discussions about the scout class. Aww now who touched you in the bum hole again? Seriously it's not a useless bonus & and it's a hell of a lot better than running slow for the longest time. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1704	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:21:00 - [35] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: For Christ's Sake, Give the Amarr Scout a Competitive Bonus Negative, enjoy your stay in Flaylock land. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1944	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:26:00 - [36] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: ugg reset wrote: well to start out it is a scout so it gets all that the class provides: speed, low sig, high precision, 50% longer base scan range, the smallest hitbox and can cloak viably. it has the same slot layout as a Gal scout with more CPU allowing for more divers fits and has higher base armor. it's not out of the realm of possibility for it to get under the raider of a cal scouts p scan. one complex damp and a cloak lets it beat a triple precision cal. you can show me all the charts and graphs you want, but you're under selling the stamina bonus. max kin cats and feroscale plates work like a charm for me. IDK it's whatever you can make out of it. out of all the scouts it is the best for straight combat. think of it as a slightly weaker assault with two equipment slots. Ok, well tell CCP to rename it to the Amarr Light Assault, oh wait, it's called the Amarr SCOUT. No, it's the AMARR scout. 1.9 forum warrior. SMG wielder. Mama's boy. I'm right, you're wrong. Adjust.
MINA Longstrike 577	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:44:00 - [37] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: 5% to ScP RoF..... That is a completely ***ing useless bonus that adresses none of the amarr scouts issues nor is it even needed or god for the ScP. Stop trying to shoehorn your whining about the scrambler pistol getting appropriately balanced into discussions about the scout class. Aww now who touched you in the bum hole again? Seriously it's not a useless bonus & and it's a hell of a lot better than running slow for the longest time. 5% ScP is useless and* unnecessary. It doesn't define the scouts role like it does with the min scout which is an assassin first and an infiltrator second. The dampening bonus and a scan range on the gallente scout make it an infiltrator capable of picking its fights. The precision and range on the cal scout make it an anti-scout. Stam, Stan recharge and ScP rof make the amarr scout what? A confused little hunchback? Part of what needs to be done with scouts is that they need their stamina/recharge nerfed (especially the min scout, which could still have the lowest recharge at say 7-8 seconds but without much total stamina). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14397	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:47:00 - [38] - Quote Nuuu I love my tank chaser fit. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9877	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:51:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nuuu I love my tank chaser fit. Dude whose tanks are you chasing? I have tanks and Amarr Scouts....... if I let one of those deformed little monstrosities anywhere near me..... why.....I'd..... I'd honestly be ashamed of myself. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4592	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:52:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Nuuu I love my tank chaser fit. What I'm saying is either drop the stamina pool or the recharge bonus while keeping the other then giving it another bonus such as resistance or a weapon ROF bonus since it seems the Amarr scout is simply a light assault. =^,.,^=

Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 363	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:57:00 - [41] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: 8% to ScP RoF..... fix it
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 363	Posted - 2014.04.29 02:59:00 - [42] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: 5% to ScP RoF..... why a bonus to a overnerf to death weapon lolololollolo
DozersMouse XIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 545	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:00:00 - [43] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I am not saying that the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is bad, it isn't; the slot layout is amazing leading to many diverse fits. What I am saying is that comparatively to the other scout suits, the Amarr Scout is complete and utter terribad garbage TRASH. Caldari - Can see all which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles Gallente - Can't be seen which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles Minmatar - Hack speed bonus, in short, the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE DAMNED GAME, HACKING THINGS Amarr - Stamina pool and recovery, good for still running slower than everyone else and not being able to go further than the other scouts. We have graphs proving this. Even with profile dampeners, Cal Scouts can see me. Even with precision enhancers, other scouts sneak up on me, Even when I need to hack or move quickly, Min scouts hack quicker, and all the scouts move faster. Yeah I'm mad and I challenge someone to give me a GOOD and SOLID positive of the Amarr scout that it has over any of the other scouts BESIDES brick tanking to have high eHP. it would have to be a bonus that compliments the low slots IMO range is an alright bonus maybe a bonus to rep modules (but its not a ewar bonus) maybe a bonus to armor (again not ewar and would provoke tanking) it looks like we need more ewar mods CCP Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3065	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:10:00 - [44] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: 5% to ScP RoF..... That is a completely ***ing useless bonus that adresses none of the amarr scouts issues nor is it even needed or god for the ScP. Stop trying to shoehorn your whining about the scrambler pistol getting appropriately balanced into discussions about the scout class. Aww now who touched you in the bum hole again? Seriously it's not a useless bonus & and it's a hell of a lot better than running slow for the longest time. 5% ScP is useless and* unnecessary. It doesn't define the scouts role like it does with the min scout which is an assassin first and an infiltrator second. The dampening bonus and a scan range on the gallente scout make it an infiltrator capable of picking its fights. The precision and range on the cal scout make it an anti-scout. Stam, Stan recharge and ScP rof make the amarr scout what? A confused little hunchback? Part of what needs to be done with scouts is that they need their stamina/recharge nerfed (especially the min scout, which could still have the lowest recharge at say 7-8 seconds but without much total stamina). How to kill a scout/ cqc ninja 1. Shoot them from a distance 2. Tea bag them 3. Repeat Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 391	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:12:00 - [45] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Eko Sol wrote: A scout should have a dmg resistance of 1% per level totally 5%. I think that is very fair and is in line with the Amarr's way of tech. YES YES YES YES YES! A resistance bonus would be amazing. You already have the most HP "Shine bright like a diamond"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9881	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:27:00 - [46] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Eko Sol wrote: A scout should have a dmg resistance of 1% per level totally 5%. I think that is very fair and is in line with the Amarr's way of tech. YES YES YES YES YES! A resistance bonus would be amazing. You already have the most HP But scouts don't need EHP and 35 HP is not worth the slightest damn. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 382	Posted - 2014.04.29 03:30:00 - [47] - Quote I like the Amarr Scout, Kincats a armor rep and two damage mods in the highs. Stealth death dealing machine with the srambler riffle. Just don't run in a group and keep on running... the key is to keep on running and never stop. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 394	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:31:00 - [48] - Quote needs a bonus to cloak time.
DozersMouse XIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 545	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:34:00 - [49] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: needs a bonus to cloak time. no. Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2471	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:41:00 - [50] - Quote Perhaps the Amarr scout should get a bonus to the effectiveness of HP and repair on reactive plates? Amarr bonus: 10% bonus to repair and HP value of reactive armor plates per level. Reactive plate stats with level 5 amarr scout skill (without lvl 5 armor plates skill): STD - 37.5 hp // 1.5 hp/s ENH - 60 hp // 1.5 hp/s CPLX - 90 hp // 3 hp/s Reactive plate stats with level 5 amarr scout skill (with lvl 5 armor plates skill): STD - 41.25 hp // 1.5 hp/s ENH - 66 hp // 1.5 hp/s CPLX - 99 hp // 3 hp/s It makes a lot of sense to me. HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes. "I tried so hard and got so far.... but in the end it doesnt even matter."

Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 365	Posted - 2014.04.29 08:42:00 - [51] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Perhaps the Amarr scout should get a bonus to the effectiveness of HP and repair on reactive plates? Amarr bonus: 10% bonus to repair and HP value of reactive armor plates per level. Reactive plate stats with level 5 amarr scout skill (without lvl 5 armor plates skill): STD - 37.5 hp // 1.5 hp/s ENH - 60 hp // 1.5 hp/s CPLX - 90 hp // 3 hp/s Reactive plate stats with level 5 amarr scout skill (with lvl 5 armor plates skill): STD - 41.25 hp // 1.5 hp/s ENH - 66 hp // 1.5 hp/s CPLX - 99 hp // 3 hp/s It makes a lot of sense to me. 14 pg wastingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 942	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:33:00 - [52] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I am not saying that the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is bad, it isn't; the slot layout is amazing leading to many diverse fits. What I am saying is that comparatively to the other scout suits, the Amarr Scout is complete and utter terribad garbage TRASH. Caldari - Can see all which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles Gallente - Can't be seen which is useful for allowing a SCOUT to pick and choose his/her battles Minmatar - Hack speed bonus, in short, the ENTIRE OBJECTIVE OF THE DAMNED GAME, HACKING THINGS Amarr - Stamina pool and recovery, good for still running slower than everyone else and not being able to go further than the other scouts. We have graphs proving this. Even with profile dampeners, Cal Scouts can see me. Even with precision enhancers, other scouts sneak up on me, Even when I need to hack or move quickly, Min scouts hack quicker, and all the scouts move faster. Yeah I'm mad and I challenge someone to give me a GOOD and SOLID positive of the Amarr scout that it has over any of the other scouts BESIDES brick tanking to have high eHP. EDIT Since it is apparent the Amarr scout is really an assault suit in disguise, my proposed bonus is a weapon ROF bonus. Well I see why this bonus seems underwhelming but its not THAT bad. Sure you won't be able to run faster (or reach any position faster by default) but there still uses for a high stamina. Even if you are slower than other scouts you can run longer and jump more often which can be quite useful. Also the suit itself is not that bad. You have a similar flexibility like the gallente suit. But all in all I would agree that a better bonus could be in place, I would like something that emphases on the amarr philosophy. Instead of the stamina bonus for me acceptable would be: 2 % more rof to ScP or 2% more damage to ScP (or laser based sidearms) 5 % CPU/PG reduction to plates 2% armor plate efficacy
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 942	Posted - 2014.04.29 09:36:00 - [53] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Perhaps the Amarr scout should get a bonus to the effectiveness of HP and repair on reactive plates? Amarr bonus: 10% bonus to repair and HP value of reactive armor plates per level. Reactive plate stats with level 5 amarr scout skill (without lvl 5 armor plates skill): STD - 37.5 hp // 1.5 hp/s ENH - 60 hp // 1.5 hp/s CPLX - 90 hp // 3 hp/s Reactive plate stats with level 5 amarr scout skill (with lvl 5 armor plates skill): STD - 41.25 hp // 1.5 hp/s ENH - 66 hp // 1.5 hp/s CPLX - 99 hp // 3 hp/s It makes a lot of sense to me. Hmm as active tanking is more of a gallente thing I am not sure if this is a good way to buff the amarr but may be a bonus to ferroscales? This would allow to have moderate tank with acceptable speed...
LT apparition Molon Labe. 88	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:47:00 - [54] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: For the Amarr! Buff them till they're OP! It's only the natural way of things, we should be superior to all races, for we are superior as a peoples. May the Empress live forever. Sota hey.... sorry to say this but... Clearing Throat...I/We of the Gallente Had naughty Hot Time with your Empress... Freedom ! PS: She Really Enjoyed The Boat. We Fight, We Kill, You Die, The End.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2014.04.29 10:59:00 - [55] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout. That would shoehorn people into using armor plates over other modules. Amarr are tankers! Recruiter link here: https://dust514.com/recruit/FepTs1/ Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4601	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:02:00 - [56] - Quote tander09 wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout. That would shoehorn people into using armor plates over other modules. Amarr are tankers! It's a scout suit, not assault remember? =^,.,^=
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7436	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:03:00 - [57] - Quote tander09 wrote: Amarr are tankers! But Scouts are not... Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 95	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:14:00 - [58] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: tander09 wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should remove all armor speed penalties for the AmScout. That would shoehorn people into using armor plates over other modules. Amarr are tankers! It's a scout suit, not assault remember? If it's amarr= it's a tanker! Recruiter link here: https://dust514.com/recruit/FepTs1/ Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 3055	Posted - 2014.04.29 11:56:00 - [59] - Quote How about they keep their current bonus, minmatar lose a massive chunk out of their ridiculous stamina recharge that is entirely unnecessary (if CCP want min scouts to be able to endlessly melee and/or jump, they should just reduce the stamina reqs on those things), and here's my little bonus buff for amarr... lower scan profile for all deployed equipment. Okay, so only really useful for sneaky uplink placement but also could be good for snipers or just hiding a cheeky nanohive near an enemy point or for supplying snipers without giving their positions away. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
fixitgd S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.04.29 14:24:00 - [60] - Quote 5% Range per level to keep in line with ewar and tech. Considering their weapons are for medium range combat.



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