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The-Errorist 657	Posted - 2014.04.28 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote Here's what the stats are currently: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 10% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 10% What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are mess massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP at has 6% higher movement penalty then a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. It should be something like this: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 5% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 7% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 8% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 8% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 9% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 11%
The-Errorist 672	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:58:00 - [2] - Quote Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine?
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1411	Posted - 2014.05.04 02:01:00 - [3] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Thanks for pointing it out Also complex plates take too much recources even at level 4 optimisation I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10749	Posted - 2014.05.04 02:15:00 - [4] - Quote Weird Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1314	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Bad design. It has been that way since The Brilliant Vehicle Gank aka Re-balancing of 1.7. It will not change. At least you should hope not. How many things have changed for the better in this game? And so it goes.
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:18:00 - [6] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply.
The-Errorist 674	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:28:00 - [7] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. I'm not asking which should be more effective, what I am is asking from a balance standpoint, which should have a higher speed penalty.
BL4CKST4R warravens Final Resolution. 2681	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:02:00 - [8] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. 60mm Kevler has much less mass than 120mm iron, in fact 60mm iron would be more massive than kevlar. Whoever can stop a bullet better I don't know, but just because the material is lighter does not mean it is less effective. For example reactive armor plates aren't very massive at all but they are able to distribute energy a lot better than solid armor plates making them better at getting shot with anti tank missiles. Markdown:
Asha Starwind 886	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:12:00 - [9] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. [center][/center]
The-Errorist 678	Posted - 2014.05.06 05:35:00 - [10] - Quote Anyone else want to share their thoughts on this? Stop interpreting the Dust/Legion news from others, get it from the source: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp (then click videos)

XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 1309	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:03:00 - [11] - Quote I agree 60mm plate should be less than the 120mm plate speed reduction. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2682	Posted - 2014.05.06 10:22:00 - [12] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. If it's thicker it would obviously be heavier... mass would remain the same but weight (the interaction of mass and gravity) would be different. Markdown:
The-Errorist 678	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:33:00 - [13] - Quote I've updated the OP so the information is a little neater and I added another possible way to balance the speed penalty. Stop interpreting the Dust/Legion news from others, get it from the source: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp (then click videos)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 725	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:34:00 - [14] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Thanks for pointing it out Also complex plates take too much recources even at level 4 optimisation I know it's like they did that so you could put the shield mods on the Maddies and the armor mods on the Gunners . It should have been a flat percentage in CPU / PG so that you could have more choices but it seems that they are anti-choice . They also should reduce the run times on the damage mods and bring them more into the lines of the infantry mods by active time allowed . Militia with the shortest run times and so on to the prototype with the recharge times kept the same , this will kill the double and triple stacking damage mod tank scrubbers and would also make them more situational instead of them being heavily relied upon , so if someone wants to stack they will be more vulnerable as well as constantly cycling the mods because the times will be less and the charge times will be more than the actual run time ... which sounds more like a window instead of these scrub players constantly cycling damage mods . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 71	Posted - 2014.05.08 01:05:00 - [15] - Quote Yup.
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 756	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:47:00 - [16] - Quote This and the fix for 60mm armor plate progression would be a nice change. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:53:00 - [17] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. I'm not asking which should be more effective, what I am is asking from a balance standpoint, which should have a higher speed penalty. Edit: Also iron is around 5 times heavier than kevlar. We used rolled tungsten, not iron. The old plate style was far superior anyways. A lot of things pre-1.7 was better. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 756	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:55:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ... So what do you think about my proposal? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:15:00 - [19] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ... So what do you think about my proposal? The second option, and change the MLT to 5 and 10. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2570	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:22:00 - [20] - Quote on the list you go "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


The-Errorist SVER True Blood 761	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:25:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Great Godin Thekiller wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ... So what do you think about my proposal? The second option, and change the MLT to 5 and 10. I changed the MLT to have the same speed penalty as PRO in the possible fixes section. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2014.06.12 10:04:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. If it's thicker it would obviously be heavier... mass would remain the same but weight (the interaction of mass and gravity) would be different. What if it's made out of a material with negative mass? MIND=BLOWN
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 762	Posted - 2014.06.12 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. If it's thicker it would obviously be heavier... mass would remain the same but weight (the interaction of mass and gravity) would be different. What if it's made out of a material with negative mass? MIND=BLOWN If it had negative mass, there would be nothing holding it together since the effects of the gravity it has would be reversed. Also can we stop arguing about that? It's a little off topic. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.06.12 15:18:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah, I was messing around with my Grimsnes fit yesterday and noticed I could replace my 60 mm plate with 120 mm plate for no extra movement penalty. It was awesome, but that should probably be changed for the future, even if my fat Gallente 4600 Hp boat will be slowed down.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1000	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:40:00 - [25] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Thanks for pointing it out Also complex plates take too much recources even at level 4 optimisation Shield extenders as well. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1454	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:47:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Is the extra skill added to the armor tanking part of vehicles going to be functional in hotfix bravo?? Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 810	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:41:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Can this be on the list of things to address for Hotfix Delta? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 100	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:53:00 - [28] - Quote Thanks, although I just created a new combination of very low penalty armor I have not seen flown before :l NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 448	Posted - 2014.09.02 06:28:00 - [29] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. 60mm Kevler has much less mass than 120mm iron, in fact 60mm iron would be more massive than kevlar. Whoever can stop a bullet better I don't know, but just because the material is lighter does not mean it is less effective. For example reactive armor plates aren't very massive at all but they are able to distribute energy a lot better than solid armor plates making them better at getting shot with anti tank missiles. iron are u ***** kidding me ironnnnn ** dude are we living in the iron age. nope
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 130	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:35:00 - [30] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: The-Errorist wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. I'm not asking which should be more effective, what I am is asking from a balance standpoint, which should have a higher speed penalty. Edit: Also iron is around 5 times heavier than kevlar. We used rolled tungsten, not iron. The old plate style was far superior anyways. A lot of things pre-1.7 was better. i miss my polycrystalline plates no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2476	Posted - 2014.09.02 10:13:00 - [31] - Quote That would explain why I have noticed soma and madrugar HAVs are easier to kill than Sica and Gunnlogi. It only takes three-four shots to kill either when the hardener is down but the gunnlogi are more likely to get out of range/sight before I can snap off a killshot. Also is there a bug that makes it so the shield hardeners don't flash? I notice a few gunns that take more ammo then its worth to bust em. But in the same match I will encounter a similar tank and absolutely chop it to chutney. I need to pay closer attention to ID tags
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 726	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:00:00 - [32] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Here's what the stats are currently: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 10% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 10% What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are less massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP has a 6% higher movement penalty than a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. What it should be like is this: [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 7/4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 11/8/9/11% It could instead be [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 6/4/5/6% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 12/8/10/12% Related thread: Rebalance 60mm armor plate HP, so that it has a consitent HP increase [Request] Raise enhanced shied extender to 44 HP since 60 is half of 120 why not just half the speed penality? [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game 122	Posted - 2014.09.02 17:02:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go you can drop in Maurder and Enforcer tanks like that Chasing FOTM since crome.. `SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED`
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 816	Posted - 2014.09.02 18:03:00 - [34] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: The-Errorist wrote: ... ...What it should be like is this: [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 7/4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 11/8/9/11% It could instead be [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 6/4/5/6% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 12/8/10/12% ... since 60 is half of 120 why not just half the speed penality? The names don't really mean much and I wouldn't want that because the penalties for the 60mm plates wouldn't go up by a fixed amount like so: [60mm] Standard/Advanced/Prototype 4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 8/10/14% Also having the penalty double from 2% from the 435HP increase from STD to ADV and have that double to 4% from ADV to PRO for the same 435HP, doesn't doesn't seam right. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 822	Posted - 2014.10.03 21:43:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go For Hotfix Echo? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
TH1EFOFSOuLS Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2014.10.04 04:03:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go What... hes actually helping tanks in some way..... can I get a repsec! REPSPEC! The apocalypse is among us tanks are ganna be op!
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2197	Posted - 2014.10.04 14:09:00 - [37] - Quote TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go What... hes actually helping tanks in some way..... can I get a repsec! REPSPEC! The apocalypse is among us tanks are ganna be op! If you check the time of that post, you'll see that he obviousely cares very little about HAVs "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
Teeee Bone C0M8AT V3T3RANS 123	Posted - 2014.10.04 16:44:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go I like having you in charge.. You listen. How about an update to your aurum suit.. FULL PROTO!!! I love the smell of orbital support in the morning!!!
Major IMPACT Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 24	Posted - 2014.10.24 01:28:00 - [39] - Quote This going be in the list for 1.9, or hotfix Echo? EWAR makes you stronger Stand a little taller Doesn't mean I'm lonely when I'm alone......
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1401	Posted - 2014.10.24 12:51:00 - [40] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are less massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP has a 6% higher movement penalty than a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. What it should be like is this: [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 7/4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 11/8/9/11% It could instead be [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 6/4/5/6% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 12/8/10/12% The suggested fix has one problem: Light vehicles and heavy vehicles (+theoretical mediums). The available (within PG/CPU) plates for light vehicles are the ones that have small speed penalty. Therefore, light vehicles would not have to sacrifice that much speed to get their level's maximum plate HP. Possible additional fixes to handle that: a) Smaller plates limited to light vehicles and bigger to heavies. Not a beautiful fix. b) Implementing thrust mechanic in the physics engine which would mean that LAVs have less torque to deal with plate mass while HAVs would have more. Dunno if UR3 engine already supports it. c) some brilliant PG/CPU, HP gain, speed penalty -value setting. Not sure if doable. So no one of those is a pretty fix. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change

manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 175	Posted - 2014.10.24 13:55:00 - [41] - Quote could dropship manouverability buff be added to the list? without an afterburner the dropship seems to have the same stunlock feeling that HMG used to cause on people. NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 830	Posted - 2014.10.24 18:19:00 - [42] - Quote Major IMPACT wrote: This going be in the list for 1.9, or hotfix Echo? Based on the the time he said that it was "on the list", 2014.06.12, I won't be surprised if this will be addressed post 1.9. KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The-Errorist wrote: What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are less massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP has a 6% higher movement penalty than a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. What it should be like is this: [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 7/4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 11/8/9/11% It could instead be [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 6/4/5/6% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 12/8/10/12% The suggested fix has one problem: Light vehicles and heavy vehicles (+theoretical mediums). The available (within PG/CPU) plates for light vehicles are the ones that have small speed penalty. Therefore, light vehicles would not have to sacrifice that much speed to get their level's maximum plate HP. ... Light vehicles not having to sacrifice that much speed to get their level's maximum plate HP doesn't sound like a problem, instead it sounds like what it logically should be, since 60mm plates give less HP compared to 120mm plates and their HP progression is also less than 120mm plates. If you disagree, then logically you'd also want complex light shield extenders to have the same penalty as complex heavy shield extenders. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1405	Posted - 2014.10.25 01:06:00 - [43] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: The suggested fix has one problem: Light vehicles and heavy vehicles (+theoretical mediums). The available (within PG/CPU) plates for light vehicles are the ones that have small speed penalty. Therefore, light vehicles would not have to sacrifice that much speed to get their level's maximum plate HP. ... Light vehicles not having to sacrifice that much speed to get their level's maximum plate HP doesn't sound like a problem, instead it sounds like what it logically should be, since 60mm plates give less HP compared to 120mm plates and their HP progression is also less than 120mm plates. If you disagree, then logically you'd also want complex light shield extenders to have the same penalty as complex heavy shield extenders. Dang, there's gonna be a post here.... People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 839	Posted - 2014.11.06 19:34:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Still wondering if this is still on the list and if this ever gonna be addressed. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14248	Posted - 2014.11.06 20:05:00 - [45] - Quote Bearing in mind those speed penalties can always be reduced by up to 50% can't they? Do they feel like they are enough? GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 847	Posted - 2014.11.06 20:10:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Bearing in mind those speed penalties can always be reduced by up to 50% can't they? Do they feel like they are enough? I'm not sure but that can be looked at later and is a slightly different topic. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2487	Posted - 2014.11.06 20:37:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Bearing in mind those speed penalties can always be reduced by up to 50% can't they? Do they feel like they are enough? That skill needs to go. There's no point for it, it takes one of the main things that limits armor vehicles and pretty much makes it moot. Either that or add a shield resistance skill. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 853	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:44:00 - [48] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bearing in mind those speed penalties can always be reduced by up to 50% can't they? Do they feel like they are enough? That skill needs to go. There's no point for it, it takes one of the main things that limits armor vehicles and pretty much makes it moot. Either that or add a shield resistance skill. I think True Adamance was asking if the current speed penalties are high enough, not talking about a skills. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14252	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:49:00 - [49] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bearing in mind those speed penalties can always be reduced by up to 50% can't they? Do they feel like they are enough? That skill needs to go. There's no point for it, it takes one of the main things that limits armor vehicles and pretty much makes it moot. Either that or add a shield resistance skill. I think True Adamance was asking if the current speed penalties are high enough, not talking about a skills. Indeed as you suggested prototype plates might have up to a 12% Mass Penalty (term for it from EVE) however using the skill to reduce it (Armour Honey Combing in EVE) it reduces that mass penalty to 6%. Just wondering if this had been considered in relation to the proposal and if you might make modifications based on it. @ Vulpes - Armour Vehicles suffer enough under the current vehicle iterations the skill key to ensuring that even if Armour vehicles wanted to use plating they would not have their mobility options crippled by it. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game RUST415 215	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:24:00 - [50] - Quote Unfortunately due to the ridiculous nature of swarms now incubus is forced to stack armour just to survive NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life Delta- bye bye ads, bye bye scr

CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 49	Posted - 2014.11.07 01:43:00 - [51] - Quote proto plates should be lighter then advanced and standard but the armor increase should not be as much also all tanks need an ehp buff av is far too overpowered thats why i respeced out of tanks
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 856	Posted - 2014.11.07 19:05:00 - [52] - Quote manboar thunder fist wrote: Unfortunately due to the ridiculous nature of swarms now incubus is forced to stack armour just to survive That's a bit off topic, this thread is about the speed penalty different between 60 & 120mm armor plates. CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: proto plates should be lighter then advanced and standard but the armor increase should not be as much also all tanks need an ehp buff av is far too overpowered thats why i respeced out of tanks Again, going a bit off topic and can you reasons as to why you think proto plates should be lighter? Shouldn't more HP give you more of speed penalty? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14938	Posted - 2014.11.07 19:34:00 - [53] - Quote Please, by all means, keep nerfing the Incubus o7 And no, its not off topic, because Heavy Plate light rep is basically the only Incubus buikd that even comes close to being halfway reasonable. Im sick of every god damn thing dealing insane damage to armor when we have the least ability to mitigate it, and the least mobility. Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+ Bitter Vet extraordinaire
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 856	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:05:00 - [54] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Please, by all means, keep nerfing the Incubus o7 And no, its not off topic, because Heavy Plate light rep is basically the only Incubus buikd that even comes close to being halfway reasonable. Im sick of every god damn thing dealing insane damage to armor when we have the least ability to mitigate it, and the least mobility. At leasr your numbers aren't high So what you're saying is, talking about whether all tanks need an HP buff, viable armor fits on a certain vehicle, and nerfs relating to that vehicle are directly related to the difference between speed penalties of 2 types of armor plates, because only a certain fit is viable. I don't think I follow that logic. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1412	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:09:00 - [55] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? It has never made any sense. But this is Dust, so why would it? The idea that any of this technology is logical is silly. It isn't. None of it in EVE Online makes any sense either. Its Icelandic Science Fiction so whatever they stick in it is what goes in. To my way of thinking the issue with Complex anything is punishment. It is supposed to be a nearly negative cost solution. Very expensive, short term gains, high resource cost, difficult to fit and the list is probably longer than that. But, it needs to be difficult and expensive because the alternative is everyone will simply run Complex everything and that means every encounter will be a proto stomp. Or at least an attempted proto stomp. From many viewpoints the recent vehicle balance and the hot fix Buff/Nerf cycles that have followed 1.7 have appeared (to me) that the best fit in many cases is STD gear. Good cost, better than Militia resources and no overly harsh punishments for using them. But Complex plating speed penalties have never made sense. It was an early attempt at balancing. Like many of the earlier attempts they left much to be desired, as in better balancing. I haven't played much since HT Delta so I am most definitely out of date. Once 1.9 settles down I will give it a go and see what is happening. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 880	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:49:00 - [56] - Quote Bump MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 196	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:09:00 - [57] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. This XxGhazbaranxX wrote: I agree 60mm plate should be less than the 120mm plate speed reduction. And this.
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 899	Posted - 2014.11.17 19:15:00 - [58] - Quote Bump MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
The-Errorist 975	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:02:00 - [59] - Quote It seems as if this issue got buried and forgotten MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
Velvet Overkill SI6MA Learning Alliance 130	Posted - 2015.03.11 23:32:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Still waiting

Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 443	Posted - 2015.03.12 00:10:00 - [61] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Here's what the stats are currently: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 10% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 10% What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are less massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP has a 6% higher movement penalty than a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. What it should be like is this: [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 7/4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 11/8/9/11% It could instead be [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 6/4/5/6% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 12/8/10/12% Related thread: Rebalance 60mm armor plate HP, so that it has a consitent HP increase like 120mm plates Is CPU and PG the same for each set maybe you are missing a key piece maybe
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17598	Posted - 2015.03.12 00:48:00 - [62] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Here's what the stats are currently: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 10% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 10% What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are less massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP has a 6% higher movement penalty than a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. What it should be like is this: [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 7/4/5/7% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 11/8/9/11% It could instead be [60mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 6/4/5/6% [120mm] Militia/Standard/Advanced/Prototype 12/8/10/12% Related thread: Rebalance 60mm armor plate HP, so that it has a consitent HP increase like 120mm plates Is CPU and PG the same for each set maybe you are missing a key piece maybe Any less speed penalty and the speed penalty becomes barely noticeable. Consider it like a Mass Penalty. I wish Pokey could explain mass penalties for me relative to speed. Raphael: I'm warning you. Do not leave me here. I will find you. Castiel: Maybe one day. Today you're my little bitch
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 216	Posted - 2015.03.12 00:58:00 - [63] - Quote A mass/inertia based system (with torque...etc etc) would be far and above more beneficial in general than just a top speed penalty IMO... however, if it remains just a modifier on speed, I agree that it merits examination, and there's nothing too borked with the numbers Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal


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