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The-Errorist 657	Posted - 2014.04.28 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote Here's what the stats are currently: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 10% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 10% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 6% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 10% What doesn't make sense is that thinner plates that offer less protection that are mess massive, have just as much of a speed penalty as heavier plates; A complex 60mm plate that gives 684HP at has 6% higher movement penalty then a heavier standard 120mm plate that gives 331 more HP, which doesn't make any sense. It should be something like this: Militia 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Basic 60mm Armor Plates HP: 365 Speed penalty: 4% Enhanced 60mm Armor Plates HP: 513 Speed penalty: 5% Complex 60mm Armor Plates HP: 684 Speed penalty: 7% Militia 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 8% Basic 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1015 Speed penalty: 8% Enhanced 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1450 Speed penalty: 9% Complex 120mm Armor Plates HP: 1885 Speed penalty: 11%
The-Errorist 672	Posted - 2014.05.04 01:58:00 - [2] - Quote Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine?
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1411	Posted - 2014.05.04 02:01:00 - [3] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Thanks for pointing it out Also complex plates take too much recources even at level 4 optimisation I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10749	Posted - 2014.05.04 02:15:00 - [4] - Quote Weird Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1314	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Bad design. It has been that way since The Brilliant Vehicle Gank aka Re-balancing of 1.7. It will not change. At least you should hope not. How many things have changed for the better in this game? And so it goes.
BioClone Ax-45 Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:18:00 - [6] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply.
The-Errorist 674	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:28:00 - [7] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. I'm not asking which should be more effective, what I am is asking from a balance standpoint, which should have a higher speed penalty.
BL4CKST4R warravens Final Resolution. 2681	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:02:00 - [8] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. 60mm Kevler has much less mass than 120mm iron, in fact 60mm iron would be more massive than kevlar. Whoever can stop a bullet better I don't know, but just because the material is lighter does not mean it is less effective. For example reactive armor plates aren't very massive at all but they are able to distribute energy a lot better than solid armor plates making them better at getting shot with anti tank missiles. Markdown:
Asha Starwind 886	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:12:00 - [9] - Quote BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. [center][/center]
The-Errorist 678	Posted - 2014.05.06 05:35:00 - [10] - Quote Anyone else want to share their thoughts on this? Stop interpreting the Dust/Legion news from others, get it from the source: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp (then click videos)

XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 1309	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:03:00 - [11] - Quote I agree 60mm plate should be less than the 120mm plate speed reduction. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2682	Posted - 2014.05.06 10:22:00 - [12] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. If it's thicker it would obviously be heavier... mass would remain the same but weight (the interaction of mass and gravity) would be different. Markdown:
The-Errorist 678	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:33:00 - [13] - Quote I've updated the OP so the information is a little neater and I added another possible way to balance the speed penalty. Stop interpreting the Dust/Legion news from others, get it from the source: http://www.twitch.tv/ccp (then click videos)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 725	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:34:00 - [14] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Thanks for pointing it out Also complex plates take too much recources even at level 4 optimisation I know it's like they did that so you could put the shield mods on the Maddies and the armor mods on the Gunners . It should have been a flat percentage in CPU / PG so that you could have more choices but it seems that they are anti-choice . They also should reduce the run times on the damage mods and bring them more into the lines of the infantry mods by active time allowed . Militia with the shortest run times and so on to the prototype with the recharge times kept the same , this will kill the double and triple stacking damage mod tank scrubbers and would also make them more situational instead of them being heavily relied upon , so if someone wants to stack they will be more vulnerable as well as constantly cycling the mods because the times will be less and the charge times will be more than the actual run time ... which sounds more like a window instead of these scrub players constantly cycling damage mods . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 71	Posted - 2014.05.08 01:05:00 - [15] - Quote Yup.
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 756	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:47:00 - [16] - Quote This and the fix for 60mm armor plate progression would be a nice change. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:53:00 - [17] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. I'm not asking which should be more effective, what I am is asking from a balance standpoint, which should have a higher speed penalty. Edit: Also iron is around 5 times heavier than kevlar. We used rolled tungsten, not iron. The old plate style was far superior anyways. A lot of things pre-1.7 was better. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 756	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:55:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ... So what do you think about my proposal? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2586	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:15:00 - [19] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ... So what do you think about my proposal? The second option, and change the MLT to 5 and 10. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 2570	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:22:00 - [20] - Quote on the list you go "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


The-Errorist SVER True Blood 761	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:25:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Great Godin Thekiller wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ... So what do you think about my proposal? The second option, and change the MLT to 5 and 10. I changed the MLT to have the same speed penalty as PRO in the possible fixes section. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2014.06.12 10:04:00 - [22] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. If it's thicker it would obviously be heavier... mass would remain the same but weight (the interaction of mass and gravity) would be different. What if it's made out of a material with negative mass? MIND=BLOWN
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 762	Posted - 2014.06.12 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. Your example is only valid,whixh it isn't, if the plates are made out of different materials. Thickness being the only difference between the two in classification directly implies that all other characteristics are the same. If it's thicker it would obviously be heavier... mass would remain the same but weight (the interaction of mass and gravity) would be different. What if it's made out of a material with negative mass? MIND=BLOWN If it had negative mass, there would be nothing holding it together since the effects of the gravity it has would be reversed. Also can we stop arguing about that? It's a little off topic. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.06.12 15:18:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah, I was messing around with my Grimsnes fit yesterday and noticed I could replace my 60 mm plate with 120 mm plate for no extra movement penalty. It was awesome, but that should probably be changed for the future, even if my fat Gallente 4600 Hp boat will be slowed down.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1000	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:40:00 - [25] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Thanks for pointing it out Also complex plates take too much recources even at level 4 optimisation Shield extenders as well. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1454	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:47:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Is the extra skill added to the armor tanking part of vehicles going to be functional in hotfix bravo?? Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 810	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:41:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: on the list you go Can this be on the list of things to address for Hotfix Delta? MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
manboar thunder fist Dead Man's Game 100	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:53:00 - [28] - Quote Thanks, although I just created a new combination of very low penalty armor I have not seen flown before :l NERF SCOUTS, NERF TANKS, NERF AV, NERF ASSAULTS, NERF LOGIS, NERF HEAVIES nerf life
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 448	Posted - 2014.09.02 06:28:00 - [29] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. 60mm Kevler has much less mass than 120mm iron, in fact 60mm iron would be more massive than kevlar. Whoever can stop a bullet better I don't know, but just because the material is lighter does not mean it is less effective. For example reactive armor plates aren't very massive at all but they are able to distribute energy a lot better than solid armor plates making them better at getting shot with anti tank missiles. iron are u ***** kidding me ironnnnn ** dude are we living in the iron age. nope
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 130	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:35:00 - [30] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: The-Errorist wrote: BioClone Ax-45 wrote: The-Errorist wrote: Does anyone see a problem with this or think it's fine? Volume means nothing, should a 120mm Iron be more effective than a 60mm kevlar? you know the reply. I'm not asking which should be more effective, what I am is asking from a balance standpoint, which should have a higher speed penalty. Edit: Also iron is around 5 times heavier than kevlar. We used rolled tungsten, not iron. The old plate style was far superior anyways. A lot of things pre-1.7 was better. i miss my polycrystalline plates no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil



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