I know that dust is FAR from being the game it was hoped to be and I kinda feel like one of the biggest reason is the simple fact that the engine the game runs on is far too resource hungry and it shows due to the unreasonable lag (compared to other game engines)

If you look at basically ANY game thats used the unreal engine, its always ran like a turd if it wasn't heavily optimized, and even then, once you get to the point of optimizing it well, its no longer the same engine and could constitute as another engine entirely (see CryEngine turning into Dunia Engine), and EVEN THEN, the engine will probably still run like a turd due to the base of it being ****.

What I'm saying is CCP should consider trying to find an engine from a truly PS3 dedicated team, e.g. SCE Santa Monica. Once game in particular that stands out and has especial relevance is Starhawk. This game can handle 32 players just like Dust but unlike Dust, it has (semi) barren maps, reason being is players bring in their own structures, which is limited to 64 (if I guess right), and even then, each single player is allowed to be in a vehicle. Best yet, during no-action play, the game feels smooth and I would guess at around 40 -50 FPS, during action it averages at around 30, which is WAY more than what dust can offer.

The developers of dust should seriously consider using a game engine from a well developed studio or to (in the background) develop their own 'from scratch' engine.

We have a better engine. It's called Carbon. Sadly, it melts PS3s into oblivion. When/if DUST goes to PS4 odds are the "original" on Carbon will be ready to go.

If you seriously expect them to work on two, possibly three engines at once, I want your pills.

They seem to be good ****.

Sadly I don't think the PS4 is even up to it. Besides, if Dust is already on the Unreal Engine (at least an early version of it) then it can easily be later ported over to one of the later versions which doesn't have as much problems as its predecessors. This also means easier transfer of old data to the new engine so that none of us can suffer a character wipe.

The thing about that is that CCPs version of the unreal engine is heavily modified meaning that it probably wont be ported to unreal 4 because it would take too much time and resources to do so. Instead they'll probably add some of the better features/fixes from unreal 4 to their modified engine.

@ OP

Do you realize how hard it is to port a game from one engine to another? You pretty much have to throw away 80% of the work you've done on the older engine to port it to the new one which I doubt CCP will do a second time.

CCP wants the game to run on PS3 and PS4 at the same time. They will keep it on the U3 engine as a result.

It is possible to make cross-play happen, but it would be a technical nightmare to make it happen on different engines.

You are more likely going to see graphical upgrades on the PS4 version using the same engine with a better frame rate.

CCP wants the game to run on PS3 and PS4 at the same time. They will keep it on the U3 engine as a result.

It is possible to make cross-play happen, but it would be a technical nightmare to make it happen on different engines.

You are more likely going to see graphical upgrades on the PS4 version using the same engine with a better frame rate.

When Dust releaseson ps4. Both PS3 and PS4 players will play together and against = Seccess.

The UR3 does a great job when a OB arrives from space to ground. Unlike other game engines that developers tweak and change = bad. The engine of Starhawk is soo effin smooth that I get Zero Lag. On the other hand, Dust 514 on my Vizio 75 Inch LED Smart TV at 120+ HZ = Dust runs at 60 FPS.

Im not sure what Starhawk your playing. It can have some SERIOUS framerate drops at times.

For example. Go splitscreen online, 32 players, large map and choas in a small area. The game plays like microsoft powerpoint.

Im not sure what Starhawk your playing. It can have some SERIOUS framerate drops at times.

For example. Go splitscreen online, 32 players, large map and choas in a small area. The game plays like microsoft powerpoint.

Man I loved Starhawk beta, then tried the game and realized that they had no intention of actually balancing the game.

Hear it got better but first impressions ruined it for me, and apparently most of the players.

Why do you guys want to port Dust514 to PS4? Part of the reason for slow development is that every patch and update needs Soney's approval.

Yes, the PS3 is more capable than what is currently displayed in Dust514. Is it the fault of the engine, the people working on the game, etc.? I don't know.

Problem is, if the PS3 version retains its lackluster performance (and I expect that it will), PS4 users will blast PS3 users to smithereens. But of course that's still better than no compatibility at all.

Well thats an extreme case.

Thats the probably the equivalents of an entire matches vehicles on in the (what I think is) the caldari research facility in a PC match.

Thats just taking stress testing to an extreme. For the most part, starhawk runs silky smooth with exceptions of slight (but still playable) frame drops when real action occurs. Unlike Dust where the game is bordering playable most of the time and during PC or certain maps the game DOES become a slideshow.

I'm not seeing a problem at all.

If you're going to buy better hardware you deserve better results.

We don't whine and moan about differences in hardware performance between PC users for various games, so why consider this a problem for consoles?

It seems like you guys don't really quite understand how game engines work. It's not like some graphics card that you pull out and replace with a new one and voila!

If this game were to start using a different engine, The entire game would have to be rebuilt. Every asset ranging from art, models, and coding in the game would likely have to be almost completely redone. This of course would take years of development time. As such, I think the chances of DUST porting to a different engine anytime soon is around 0%.

FFS Carbon isn't a graphics engine, why can't people understand that? Go read http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technology

FFS Carbon isn't a graphics engine, why can't people understand that? Go read http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/technology

If you are complaining about the fact that someone mentioned the carbon engine as a graphical engine then you can't blame them can you, as the technology framework it is embedded within is called CARBON. At this point people know the Trinity Graphics Engine as the carbon engine. Saying TGE is uneeded when people know what you are talking about and you are just trying to be snooty. Whats the point of language may I ask you? By saying carbon engine and that person knowing what is meant (you obviously did) then has language achieved its purpose?

We have a better engine. It's called Carbon. Sadly, it melts PS3s into oblivion. When/if DUST goes to PS4 odds are the "original" on Carbon will be ready to go.

If you seriously expect them to work on two, possibly three engines at once, I want your pills.

They seem to be good ****.

Carbon was originally a Eve engine and got discarded. CCP tried to use it for Dust514 but the effort to adapt it for a FPS game is just too much. The Unreal Engine itself is fine if you ask me. And porting this game to PS4 is not an option because Eve valkyrie is probs beeing developed for that at the moment. Most of the people that want dust on PS4 is because there are allmost no decent games on that console to justify its pricetag.

I want DUST on PS4 so it can run at acceptable performance, that's all. I don't even have a PS4 yet. I don't see what this has to do with Valkyrie though.

I could code this game on a dirty napkin don't you tell me they can't port this Sh!T

Sorry, PS4 is not a magic bullet - it won't fix performance problems just by porting. Games still can run horrible on the PS4 just like on the PC, even with bad graphics.

I too wish to have it on PS4, but things like the market, Conquest mode (we've seen Skirmish 1.0 and it was working), proper Planetary Conquest, proper corp UI can and could be done on the PS3. Most of the things don't even require messing with the game engine itself.