Give us blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon. Doesn't really have to be in that order either.


Before you get tiny nuts all twisted and start whatever blah blah rant, you asked anyone to answer what we would like DNS to do for everyone. To be honest, I couldn't care less if it's DNS, CCP, ML, OH or anyone else that gives them to everyone... I just like getting blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon.

Question answered for you?

I laugh at DNS every time someone tells the community to "be competitive". Which corp in DNS is the most competitive? None. How can I say that? Easy, neither of you guys fight the best with something of value on the line. So, next question, which corp in DNS is the best PC corp? Unknown. Now, there will be a lot of talk back and forth about who is the best, but really how will one know if the best only fight each other in FW matches? Nothing of value is on the line. Isk you say? No, because their districts will just replace it.

The only real way to figure out who the best is, is to fight each other in PC, take over the district, and keep it. Then and only then will you find out which of the DNS corps is really the best. Also, by doing just that DNS will actually practice what they preach and "be competitive".

You want the community to "get good"? Sure, but it takes time and isk. Time we have, isk we don't. Unlike DNS, the community doesn't have billions of isk coming in every day to spend. So, unless DNS is going to start giving 10's of millions of isk to the community so that they can spend it on suits and crap packs to attack you guys and "get good", quit crying like a whiny child. Makes you look dumb.

Now what is this prepping you speak of? This next war that is clearly going to be against yourselves. I say that since you already cry about the community not putting out against you, so really, who is gonna fight this next war that has you prepping for it? It has to be each other since I really doubt there is an undercover super duper alliance thats gonna magic missle DNS and give them a run for their isk. Really DNS, quit the crying, quit the lame as* reasoning you guys claim and just STFU and HTFU cause ya'll coming off like a bunch rich kid cry babies that are mad no one wants to play with them.

Man I hate posts like these, filled with meta and tears. Nothing was even said. I bet he copied and pasted this from 3 other threads and pretended it was his original rage/tear post.

My thinking was this:
A PC battle should, in essence, be a skirmish match with an even amount of clones on each side (let's assume 150.) Bringing in a non-alliance member to ring should deduct 5 clones from your clone count, whereas an alliance member could cost 2 or 3. So a merc corporation (outside of the alliance) that supplied all 16 players for a match would have only 70 clones vs. the opponent's 150. Even that might not be enough of a penalty to stop the uber-deathsquads from securing the win, but it should make things much more interesting for more evenly-matched corps.

Other things:
A clone pack should place the attacker on equal footing with the defender for the battle. So if you had a district with 450 clones or whatever, the actual battle would be between the same number of clones in the clone pack (again, 150 as a hypothetical example.) If the attacking side wins, they can either press the attack with whatever clones they had left from the battle or restock with another clone pack. Pressing the attack would ensure that another corporation couldn't launch an attack on the weakened enemy, whereas using a clone pack resupply could result in a small timer penalty that opens up a window of opportunity for other corps to snipe an attack. Either way, the district isn't lost until the defender's clone count reaches zero. This--combined with relatively cheap prices for a clone pack--would enable the large, lower-quality corporations to wage wars of attrition against stronger opposition.

For the defending side, districts should restock at least one battle's worth of clones each day while providing ISK revenue. I honestly don't know what sort of amounts are currently involved with district ownership, so I'll have to defer to those of you that are currently involved in PC to figure out a reasonable amount of ISK that helps cover losses incurred without becoming ISK farms.

Thoughts?

First paragraph: I am completely against 'even' playing fields in a war game. It's up to both sides to create that themselves. The fact everyone is trying to get an edge on one another adds a layer of flavor to this game you can't find anywhere else. That is a step towards CoD and BF4 and I will be very adamant against any ideas such these.

I also am sick of skirmish and want a new game mode that actually 'feels' like a battle. It makes no sense that the defenders aren't already set up on there own land. I want to take it from them - not just skirmish them as if we were in a pub game. Lack of different game mode also turns people off in entering PC since it's literally just the same thing - just with tryhards.

Second paragraph: Clone packs definitely need a huge over-all. Instead of 'equal footing' like you keep suggesting, it should be options of how many you want to buy/send/commit. If you want to just harass - 120 clone pack. If you're looking to just win a single battle - 150 clone pack. If you're looking to flip - 300 clone pack.

And in a game where we're all suppose to be 'mercs' it sort of goes against lore/point of game to limit/penalize people for using mercenaries.

Defenders getting both clones regen and ISK is also something I'll never support - a district should keep producing just clones till it max - then at that point start producing ISK depending on the amount of clones it would of produced. Which is currently how the system works.

Other things:
A clone pack should place the attacker on equal footing with the defender for the battle. So if you had a district with 450 clones or whatever, the actual battle would be between the same number of clones in the clone pack (again, 150 as a hypothetical example.) If the attacking side wins, they can either press the attack with whatever clones they had left from the battle or restock with another clone pack. Pressing the attack would ensure that another corporation couldn't launch an attack on the weakened enemy, whereas using a clone pack resupply could result in a small timer penalty that opens up a window of opportunity for other corps to snipe an attack. Either way, the district isn't lost until the defender's clone count reaches zero. This--combined with relatively cheap prices for a clone pack--would enable the large, lower-quality corporations to wage wars of attrition against stronger opposition.



Thoughts?

Man I hate posts like these, filled with meta and tears. Nothing was even said. I bet he copied and pasted this from 3 other threads and pretended it was his original rage/tear post.

That was it? I tell DNS to quit crying like a whiny child and my post somehow has rage and tears in it? You're not so good at trolling. You and darrith (oops ) need to do better, this didn't make me laugh at all, just smh in disappointment at both of you.

Oh, right let my guess rage and tears in this one too right? Come bra (oops ) give me some giggles. Talk to sapphire or what ever his name is.. that dude had me rolling in local the other night.

Quote from him "If I got every chick I f*cked pregnant, I would have twice the population of china in babies." That was when he flipped out over me calling his anus virgin turf for me. He went on and on for probably 30 mins.. pretty funny sh*t to laugh at.

Also I would like to point out, I am not trolling, but would very much like some trolling to be done here.. This the war room, WHY SO SERIOUS?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o

Wait, what? You respond to a, "What should we do" post with a, "Blow me" and then want to pretend you're not raging and crying??????

I don't need to troll you, you're doing it yourself. o.0

"How will we know whose the best if they're only fighting in FW?" - lol really? Being is being in PC a different game mode for you or something? 16 vs 16 full corps on both sides in FW = same thing as PC, but with more maps.... so arguably, a better thing to do, matches are even too, besides maps themselves giving an edge to one side over the other. So you can tell with an even clearer picture which teams the better one.

First paragraph: I am completely against 'even' playing fields in a war game. It's up to both sides to create that themselves. The fact everyone is trying to get an edge on one another adds a layer of flavor to this game you can't find anywhere else. That is a step towards CoD and BF4 and I will be very adamant against any ideas such these.

I also am sick of skirmish and want a new game mode that actually 'feels' like a battle. It makes no sense that the defenders aren't already set up on there own land. I want to take it from them - not just skirmish them as if we were in a pub game. Lack of different game mode also turns people off in entering PC since it's literally just the same thing - just with tryhards.

Second paragraph: Clone packs definitely need a huge over-all. Instead of 'equal footing' like you keep suggesting, it should be options of how many you want to buy/send/commit. If you want to just harass - 120 clone pack. If you're looking to just win a single battle - 150 clone pack. If you're looking to flip - 300 clone pack.

And in a game where we're all suppose to be 'mercs' it sort of goes against lore/point of game to limit/penalize people for using mercenaries.

Defenders getting both clones regen and ISK is also something I'll never support - a district should keep producing just clones till it max - then at that point start producing ISK depending on the amount of clones it would of produced. Which is currently how the system works.

That was it? I tell DNS to quit crying like a whiny child and my post somehow has rage and tears in it? You're not so good at trolling. You and darrith (oops ) need to do better, this didn't make me laugh at all, just smh in disappointment at both of you.

Oh, right let my guess rage and tears in this one too right? Come bra (oops ) give me some giggles. Talk to sapphire or what ever his name is.. that dude had me rolling in local the other night.

Quote from him "If I got every chick I f*cked pregnant, I would have twice the population of china in babies." That was when he flipped out over me calling his anus virgin turf for me. He went on and on for probably 30 mins.. pretty funny sh*t to laugh at.

Also I would like to point out, I am not trolling, but would very much like some trolling to be done here.. This the war room, WHY SO SERIOUS?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o

Oh, and thank you for the constructive discussion. I know I'm nothing special in this game and nowhere near good enough to be playing in the current version of PC, but I do believe that PC should be the pinnacle of Dust gameplay and that as things currently stand, there's very little hope of scrubs like me and most new players ever being able to take part in it.

Wait, what? You respond to a, "What should we do" post with a, "Blow me" and then want to pretend you're not raging and crying??????

I don't need to troll you, you're doing it yourself. o.0

"How will we know whose the best if they're only fighting in FW?" - lol really? Being is being in PC a different game mode for you or something? 16 vs 16 full corps on both sides in FW = same thing as PC, but with more maps.... so arguably, a better thing to do, matches are even too, besides maps themselves giving an edge to one side over the other. So you can tell with an even clearer picture which teams the better one.

Wow this no name scrub actually thinks time and isk will help the garbage dust community "get good" The dust community was trash in closed beta and is still trash to this day. Keep telling yourself that you will get good one day. The players in DNS were rich before DNS. We got here by being good at the game. Scrub corps will always be trash no matter how much time and isk you have. Even SP only takes you so far. Know your place scrub.

Wow this no name scrub actually thinks time and isk will help the garbage dust community "get good" The dust community was trash in closed beta and is still trash to this day. Keep telling yourself that you will get good one day. The players in DNS were rich before DNS. We got here by being good at the game. Scrub corps will always be trash no matter how much time and isk you have. Even SP only takes you so far. Know your place scrub.

And you are?

Wow this no name scrub actually thinks time and isk will help the garbage dust community "get good" The dust community was trash in closed beta and is still trash to this day. Keep telling yourself that you will get good one day. The players in DNS were rich before DNS. We got here by being good at the game. Scrub corps will always be trash no matter how much time and isk you have. Even SP only takes you so far. Know your place scrub.

What? A guy can't like getting blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon? Did you miss the part where I said I really don't care if it's DNS doing it or the list of other corps including my own? Come on bra, I thought you were smarter then that, but since you clearly ain't I'll breaking it down for you. I basically gave a sarcastic answer which pretty much ment "wish in one hand, sh*t in the other and see which one fills up faster". Are you trying to tell me that you are so base, that you really thought I wanted DNS to get on their knees and blow me? WOW. And you say I troll myself... the pot just called the kettle BLACK.

Now for your comment on PC:

Congrats, you just made rocks look smart compared to you. Lets see, 16 v 16 in FW I don't beleive. Granted I haven't Q sync'd FW in awhile so maybe you can get 16 v 16 now, but last I heard it was still 12 v 12 unless you got lucky and got 14 v 14 (very rare that one). But, hey! you're DNS I'm sure you got magic missle powers that will make that happen right? Right.

Ok, different game mode? Ya, try hard to sound super duper cool right there. I'm guess you go by xero cool IRL right? Cause you wear your sunglasses at night. Anyway, lets just answer that question. Yes, it is. Why and how? Because there is nothing of value to lose in a FW match. Simple terms just for you since I already know I'll have to go down this road with you: In a PC match, if you lose to much, you lose your district. That means you lose your isk farmland because you failed to be good or you took a district because you're super awesome and now have more isk farmlands. You see now? people don't really give it their full 100% because nothing is on line. FW = Bragging matches. Bragging matches are like you in the forums, pointless, dumb, and at times funny.

(see how I did the little "=" in there? I did math just like you! )
(also, none of this was trolling you. Just pointing out the obvious)

What? A guy can't like getting blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon? Did you miss the part where I said I really don't care if it's DNS doing it or the list of other corps including my own? Come on bra, I thought you were smarter then that, but since you clearly ain't I'll breaking it down for you. I basically gave a sarcastic answer which pretty much ment "wish in one hand, sh*t in the other and see which one fills up faster". Are you trying to tell me that you are so base, that you really thought I wanted DNS to get on their knees and blow me? WOW. And you say I troll myself... the pot just called the kettle BLACK.

Now for your comment on PC:

Congrats, you just made rocks look smart compared to you. Lets see, 16 v 16 in FW I don't beleive. Granted I haven't Q sync'd FW in awhile so maybe you can get 16 v 16 now, but last I heard it was still 12 v 12 unless you got lucky and got 14 v 14 (very rare that one). But, hey! you're DNS I'm sure you got magic missle powers that will make that happen right? Right.

Ok, different game mode? Ya, try hard to sound super duper cool right there. I'm guess you go by xero cool IRL right? Cause you wear your sunglasses at night. Anyway, lets just answer that question. Yes, it is. Why and how? Because there is nothing of value to lose in a FW match. Simple terms just for you since I already know I'll have to go down this road with you: In a PC match, if you lose to much, you lose your district. That means you lose your isk farmland because you failed to be good or you took a district because you're super awesome and now have more isk farmlands. You see now? people don't really give it their full 100% because nothing is on line. FW = Bragging matches. Bragging matches are like you in the forums, pointless, dumb, and at times funny.

(see how I did the little "=" in there? I did math just like you! )
(also, none of this was trolling you. Just pointing out the obvious)

I am done with stepping on new players for showing interest. It was fine back in the day because we were a lot healthier community who'd smash each other for getting out of hand - but now the state of the game in such a state that we will one day be relying on guys like you who've never been a part of PC or any of it's politics to bring light into the darkness we vets created.

now to list off the replies to your quotes:

1) If you remember how PC originally was, it took 3 days of battles to flip a single district. What you're proposing is similar to going back to that. And it burnt us out so bad that no one wanted to attack or sustain a true war. Though, honestly, with your idea the difference would be is it's still possible to flip a district in a single day, which, I can get behind as long as it's still possible.

Or are you suggesting the 'reserves' number be kept from the attackers knowledge and be used as an emergency back up placed like a cool down for your corp to defend a single district with? I'm... actually really, really liking this idea. It's reinforcing just a single position with numbers only a spy could get info on. It would add levels to espionage, game mechanics, and how wars would operate and the strategy involved on star map. Amazing idea.

4) Coperations, hmm. You make a good point. But mercs do tend to form packs and circles, people they want to fight side by side with and trust to have there back, and corps functions is pretty much exactly that. So it looks more like you're splitting hairs speaking out against mercing.

Thanks for great posts so far Everything Dies.

You know what I find fascinating?! People usually aren't doing things they are doing! It's amazing. *dramatic gasp*

For example, when someone says "I don't care" that in itself is a contradiction. People who do not care generally do not feel the need to say so, because they don't ACTUALLY give a flying f_ck!

I noticed in your post that you are repeatedly (Which, may I add, redundancy does not work in your favor. I mean, those shoes do not go with that dress. Constantly repeating yourself only tells me that you don't take what you have to say seriously.) attempting to have a superior/condescending role play with Sota, essentially calling him stupid in comparison to your oh-so-mighty perfect self.

Question: Does calling someone else stupid make you any smarter? Does calling someone else ugly make you better looking? No, not at all. In fact, at that point, you're making yourself go negative because the odds are that you're probably not that great looking yourself and, to the top it all off, you're an ugly person on the inside as well.

In the words of Mark Twain, 'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'

SMART people know when to shut up and let the other person do the talking. The occupation of a stupid person is to make themselves look stupid. The occupation of a fool is to make themselves look like a fool.

One thing I find absolutely adorable is when someone who can't even spell a 5 letter word, let alone form a complete and proper sentence, calls another person stupid. Sota may or may not be lacking in brain cells, but the true crime here is YOU! You have a brain and you fail to use it! Right now you are operating at about 40% efficiency.

When someone says, "I don't care." this is what I hear: "IIIIII CARRRREEEEEEE! II WANT YOUU TOOOO CARREEEE ABOUTTT MEE NOOTTT CARRRINNGGG! PAY ATTENTIONN TOO MEEEE!!!! RESPOND TO MEEEEEEE! I'M OBSESSED WITH YOUR RESPONSSEEEEE!!!! LOVEE MEEE SSOTTTAAAAAA!"

In conclusion, stop with the bashing and personal attacks. The only problem you are solving is yourself.

EAT YOUR BACON, DAMMIT! YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! YOU ARE AN AMERICAN! THIS IS A FREE CUNTRY!

You know what I find fascinating?! People usually aren't doing things they are doing! It's amazing. *dramatic gasp*

For example, when someone says "I don't care" that in itself is a contradiction. People who do not care generally do not feel the need to say so, because they don't ACTUALLY give a flying f_ck!

I noticed in your post that you are repeatedly (Which, may I add, redundancy does not work in your favor. I mean, those shoes do not go with that dress. Constantly repeating yourself only tells me that you don't take what you have to say seriously.) attempting to have a superior/condescending role play with Sota, essentially calling him stupid in comparison to your oh-so-mighty perfect self.

Question: Does calling someone else stupid make you any smarter? Does calling someone else ugly make you better looking? No, not at all. In fact, at that point, you're making yourself go negative because the odds are that you're probably not that great looking yourself and, to the top it all off, you're an ugly person on the inside as well.

In the words of Mark Twain, 'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'

SMART people know when to shut up and let the other person do the talking. The occupation of a stupid person is to make themselves look stupid. The occupation of a fool is to make themselves look like a fool.

One thing I find absolutely adorable is when someone who can't even spell a 5 letter word, let alone form a complete and proper sentence, calls another person stupid. Sota may or may not be lacking in brain cells, but the true crime here is YOU! You have a brain and you fail to use it! Right now you are operating at about 40% efficiency.

When someone says, "I don't care." this is what I hear: "IIIIII CARRRREEEEEEE! II WANT YOUU TOOOO CARREEEE ABOUTTT MEE NOOTTT CARRRINNGGG! PAY ATTENTIONN TOO MEEEE!!!! RESPOND TO MEEEEEEE! I'M OBSESSED WITH YOUR RESPONSSEEEEE!!!! LOVEE MEEE SSOTTTAAAAAA!"

In conclusion, stop with the bashing and personal attacks. The only problem you are solving is yourself.

EAT YOUR BACON, DAMMIT! YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! YOU ARE AN AMERICAN! THIS IS A FREE CUNTRY!

Teehee, did you leave that "cuntry" part there on purpose?

Black Ice, a name that bares some truth in it. Well done, you're on the right path. Now, keep going. You have the meat and potatoes, but you're missing the veggies and drink.

Finish it Black Ice. I won't ask the question because I really do think you have the answer.

(Very well done)

You know what I find fascinating?! People usually aren't doing things they are doing! It's amazing. *dramatic gasp*

For example, when someone says "I don't care" that in itself is a contradiction. People who do not care generally do not feel the need to say so, because they don't ACTUALLY give a flying f_ck!

I noticed in your post that you are repeatedly (Which, may I add, redundancy does not work in your favor. I mean, those shoes do not go with that dress. Constantly repeating yourself only tells me that you don't take what you have to say seriously.) attempting to have a superior/condescending role play with Sota, essentially calling him stupid in comparison to your oh-so-mighty perfect self.

Question: Does calling someone else stupid make you any smarter? Does calling someone else ugly make you better looking? No, not at all. In fact, at that point, you're making yourself go negative because the odds are that you're probably not that great looking yourself and, to the top it all off, you're an ugly person on the inside as well.

In the words of Mark Twain, 'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'

SMART people know when to shut up and let the other person do the talking. The occupation of a stupid person is to make themselves look stupid. The occupation of a fool is to make themselves look like a fool.

One thing I find absolutely adorable is when someone who can't even spell a 5 letter word, let alone form a complete and proper sentence, calls another person stupid. Sota may or may not be lacking in brain cells, but the true crime here is YOU! You have a brain and you fail to use it! Right now you are operating at about 40% efficiency.

When someone says, "I don't care." this is what I hear: "IIIIII CARRRREEEEEEE! II WANT YOUU TOOOO CARREEEE ABOUTTT MEE NOOTTT CARRRINNGGG! PAY ATTENTIONN TOO MEEEE!!!! RESPOND TO MEEEEEEE! I'M OBSESSED WITH YOUR RESPONSSEEEEE!!!! LOVEE MEEE SSOTTTAAAAAA!"

In conclusion, stop with the bashing and personal attacks. The only problem you are solving is yourself.

EAT YOUR BACON, DAMMIT! YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! YOU ARE AN AMERICAN! THIS IS A FREE CUNTRY!

Hmm, interesting quote and line to use. Respond and you admit to being stupid. Keep your mouth shut, take it like b*tch, and you're smart. Catch 22. I guess I'm either stupid or defiant.. maybe both

Hold the phone, sota is cute because he ain't all that bright, but I'm an as*hole because I have a brain and don't use it to your liking? lol.

Here you are being redundant in the very same post you dinged me for repeating myself. lol, I wonder if we all should heed your words in the 2nd quote.

Ah, so it is perfectly fine for DNS members (more like your friends) to bash and make personal attacks while I cannot? Interesting and yet at the very same time so very, very typical. I look at this whole post and put myself in third persons shoes and yet, I still see this as an angry post with some hypocrisy in it. Why are you angry? because I bash your friends like they bash others?

I take it you'll be smart Romeo & Juliet.

Yes and no. you're going too far into pychologly on this one though, but remember what you said here and the one below this.

Guilty, kinda just like people that use scrub and get good as their go to response. Only now they have it done to them in a different way.

Question for you: does calling someone else a scrub make you any better? Does telling them to get good make you look awesome? Same answer, No, not at all. The very same point you drive home can be applied here as well, with both lesser and good players sending scrub and get good messages. Making both look pretty ugly on the inside and out.

Why are you trying to act superior on a VIDEO GAME FORUM?

I thought thats what you losers did because you cant get real jobs or even get laid.