You're a bunch of anime loving dorks, no way in hell I'm joining that channel.

Hope you finally got to touch a boob on your vacation.

That's song's so 2thousand and late.

Sota, listen to the podcast. Don't do it because its informative, do it because it's so much fun to share the schadenfreude about dns 'join my alliance or else' black

What did you expect when the best players in the game dont PLAY the game but are gathering round a camp fire holding hands avd singing combaya my lord

I have no personal beef against any in DNS but you guys don't want good games and good fights.
The fact that you guys buy any one of that possesses any remote threat kind of prowes that.


Regards

Again dont have any beef against any one on DNS in fact I play with a bunch of them on regular basis every day.

You have your opinion and you are in your own right to have that.
However I don't agree to one word you are saying/stating
If you guys want epic fights and and a good game it's hippo critical to do what DNS is doing , al you want is a no risk game saying anything else is pathetic.

I have ran across you guys qsinking in FW as a example.

16 guys full proto/ads/tanks you name it against 16 randoms. Again nothing wrong with it but I lack to c the fun game in that.

Before you go al bonkers I actually don't have a problem that you own everything you are that good period, however your perception about a fun game is some what flawed in my mind.

Regards

Do you eat lots of fried chicken and grits?.

I really have a hard time understanding how it's the community's fault for not providing fights when for 2 years 90% of the best players have slowly all ended up in a few corps.

My corp has taken a big hit since this all took place and I'm not so sure I blame some of the guys who have left. You either have to speak French or join OH/IH to have a chance. I was a founding member of Molon Labe and I even left for a couple of days before feeling the need to go back home.

Honestly, it's like the MLB all star team going on an ass kicking tour of AAA farm teams and calling them out for not being able to compete. I can't wrap my head around it. I know there is some trolling involved, but it appears that many inside DNS believe that by studying a map a bit more we'll be able to compete.

Do people inside DNS honestly believe that any form of competitive game play in Dust is possible with such a concentration of talent on one side?

So when all the talent that was in Eon, ANON, Pro Hic, Seraphim, and all the others who abandoned PC go to the corps that were better than them or kicked their ass and caused them to disband it's not going to cause a pretty significant barrier to compete for other teams?

Back when there was a larger number of corps participating in PC we fielded our own teams. We even had marginal success. But the pool of participants kept shrinking. It got to the point that it didn't matter if it was corp A vs corp B, you were going to see the same A list names from ringing groups. That's when we started hiring ringers and ultimately when we started locking. Should we have kept fighting instead of locking? Perhaps, but as history shows that probably wouldn't have turned out well. People don't handle losing well in this game, you should know that because most of the talent that is in your alliance is there after their original corp got destroyed by AE or TP.

Take Molon Labe out of it. Let's discuss some other names of corps who stuck out despite the odds. Name some names of corps who stuck it out. It'll be a short list.

Where do you see the competition coming from? How do you propose those corps prepare?

Oh and by the way, trying to have a conversation with this fagg0t with your current "tags" is not going to go well.

What war and with who? Do you have imaginary friends in some parallel server?

We are constantly growing and preparing the next war, even now when there's no one to fight. That is what it means to be a PC corp.

Sota, it's not about tears. It's about reality. The fact that you are justifying blueing up ALL of the capable corps in PC outside of WTF (who had taken off what 8 months?) and OH and shitting all over the rest of Dust is enough in my book.

There is no reason to continue talking to you. You are delusional.

In your time playing this game, have you ever been in either of our shoes? Deciding not to hop on the d1ck of the winning team because it is easy and profitable? Sticking with a corp despite constant losses showing up to fight knowing the odds are stacked against you? Training newer players... Taking losses after losses and keep coming back for more.. just to see your allies ditch you... and the strongest of your enemies blueing up nstead of duking it out with eachother like true competition should be? All in the name of "showing CCP how ****** up their game is" or whatever?...

If the answer is no (and this is a rhetorical question, don't feel obligated to answer) then that is why you don't have sympathy for situation. And we don't blame you... but don't be surprised when we spit at you fagg0ts. Yes you, everyone who is like you in this f ucked up community, and CCP, f uck all of ya's.

Are we clear? lol.

Your corp won't be around long dude. When that donut breaks up and you get attacked, you'll fold up and hop onto the winning train.

In the meantime go **** yourself. If you are even in Dallas shoot me a message. I'd love to buy you a beer. I promise not to bounce your head off the bar.

You are a troll and you've succeeded.

You are the source, you just refuse to believe it.

Oh, you took the metaphorical "you" and thought I meant just sota. that's funny, anywho..

I don't have a PS3 at work bro, how can I play the game if I don't have a PS3 here? COME ON BRO

This difference of opinion, if we shall call it that, simply implies that we have completely different views on the subject. Nothing to get your panties all up in a bunch about. And remember... ML is a very large corp... the posts from just 2 scrubs on the forums does not represent the feelings of an entire group. Much like you request that we do not formulate our opinions based on the actions of a few of your members, should you not practice what you preach sota popinski?

Butt hurt? lolno.. ive stopped playing, game kinda went to **** again.. PC was the last fun thing to do in the game and the one thing I can truly thank the dirty nappy sluts is proving how ****** it really is. Yeah yeah, I could hop on the **** like some of you and your bronies did, apply to a different corp, farm isk, play pubs/FW while waiting for CCP to come up with a new brilliant idea. but .. yeahhhh no thanks.

I'll be sure to come back and ruffle your feathers for ***** and giggles again real soon. until then, toodles.

I'm only using this quote because it has the most issues I want to impress upon you all.

This is the section where I back ML, and I read:

-Sota, as I've seen from your corp history, you've been in nothing but top tier corps. Corps famous for being able to thrash on noobs and hold their own against vets. I, ER and Thor didn't have that luxury, however. My previous corps I would never have considered competitive, at least not against the people I've met here. You probably have no idea what it's like feeling like your team isn't up to snuff and you have to try to do everything to carry (if you've ever seen my skill sheet, you'll see I have this mentality.)

-I realized your little question about what happens if your alliance leaves you in the cold wasn't directed at me, but I feel as if my two cents should be put in. I do know how it feels to be backstabbed, heck, back in my original clan, I had someone who I felt stab me in the back, destroyed our whole unit in Dust in fact. But that is a story for another day, and one I will not tell right now.

-Sota, it looks to me as if you're chastising them for sticking with a corp through good and bad. There is something to be said about loyalty to a corp name.

OSG is an example of a Corp, and in some cases individual players, that simply off-ramped and are paying for it. We know that and arenGÇÖt whining about it; we are working to fix things on our end. HoweverGǪyou not acknowledging the significant ways the playing field is stacked in your favor in many ways doesnGÇÖt make you any better than those pointing fingers and griping.

Sota I remember you complaining about AE and you went and joined TP, now your on the same side as AE? Hypocrite to the max sota, I bet you glitch reload in matches now as well. Faith lost.

That's cool, I don't mean to trash the hard work you've more than likely put into your corp. a few hours ago I would have jammed his head through sheet rock.

I would smash your face through sheet rock as well, just sayin. lol

Dude, I've spent a year busting my ass to help build up my corp. The founding dudes left ******* PRO and started from scratch. Then after a few weeks Sev Kimura left Dust for real life stuff. But we grew into the most active corp in Dust. And we are purging PC players because of this competitive environment that shitheads like you have created. Go back and look at some of the bullshit you've posted. How do you think I'm going to react?

I could give two fucks if you respect me. I've talked to you a grand total of Zero times.

It's the internet dude. I could say I'm going to bang your ear hole and it means nothing.

Yeah it does, It shows how old you have gotten, Back in the day you would have had no quams about leaving a side that was working with people you did not like. Now you just ***** and moan instead of fighting the good fight. Sounds like AE is the most independent of the bunch, and when that is the case what the hell does that make your corp?

Its nice to see you still got the conviction though. Now where the **** is the action? Its gone where everyone elses has gone, and that is why there is the hate against DNS and why no one puts any fight into the game. Because eventually the roulette wheel stopped rolling and guess what? DNS had the winning number. And there is not a single corp corp or strong leader around that wants to spin it again with any real conviction. PC reached its high water mark a long time ago, you know it, I know it and really everyone knows it. Too bad it was never enough water to actually drown ourselves in.

You know its over you just don't want to admit it. Go watch anime and forget about dust sota you will be far happier.

The facts are you are good at a video game. You use this skill to look and talk down to others -- people who have played just as much and have just as much invested in their corps and friends -- then wonder why people react negatively.

If you ever spoke to me in real life like you speak to this forum, I, too, would pound your face in. That's how life outside your mom's basement goes....where your anonymity and condescension are safely hidden.

I fully recognize and was pointing to the difference between forum games and real life.

That said, I've found over the years that there are strong correlations between the two (i.e. in-game and in real life) -- and they tend to be inversely related. Said a bit more directly, those who talk a good forum game tend to not amount to much in real life. Having read your posts for a while now, I'll wager you are no different in this regard.

Moving on, I find it curious and a bit hypocritical for you to draw the line at caring about "my Corp and my enjoyment of this game", yet fail to realize (or care?) your in-game and forum antics affect others in a negative way.

That said, I doubt my posts will do much to change your awareness or behavior, but I do think it need to be said.

Take care...Leadfoot

All I'm saying is you should consider choosing your words more wisely, even those who you dismiss as having "tunnel vision". Perhaps you don't care, but I am suggesting you should.

I do salute you for speaking your mind on DNSBlack and AE, and of course you should fire back if fired upon -- but words and actions are two different things, and some can't get past your position and words.

Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it, Sota.

That's a very good question, and one that I've given quite a bit of thought to. However, you asked Thor, not me, so I'll allow him to respond before commenting further.

If there are alliance issues you wish to discuss Sota, please feel free to contact me directly. Preferably in-game so we can discuss real time. As you are well aware I don't do the meta/forum thing.

A.E continues to support the Alliance effort to show CCP that current mechanics are flawed. As a result, in speaking with members of the current CPM those efforts have been noticed and have given the CPM the opportunity to present needed changes. If other assistance or action is required I am hopeful Alliance leadership will contact me through proper channels.

One point, SoTa... I'm not "you guys".

I don't speak for Thor and his team and my POV was only based on my personal observations and what I can speak of with my corp / alliance.

I'm pretty sure I pointed that I have no issue with you achieving the level of sucess that you have - far from it, it's a solid accomplishment. My point is that many folks in DNS, and you on occaision, fail to acknowledge the inherent advantages that you have and simply say "get good". In my view that can be as bad as folks just pointing fingers at you and saying you're cheating (which you certainly aren't doing). Not trolling or poking...it is what it is.

Reading Sota's post about being pumped about working with AE and what they can accomplish boggles me. Who the HELL was this awesome stuff supposed to happen against? I mean really, what game is the dude playing?

Is Outer Heaven that scary to Sota?

For the 1000th time, it's fine that you guys all reunited but don't sugar coat it as some preparation for some great war to come. As long as you are all united there won't be anything of note happening. I don't believe that it's necessarily you or your alliance's problem, but it's reality. The vast majority of Dust is nowhere near being able to compete with even the low rung PC corps, much less a conglomerate of the most dominate PC teams we've seen over the last year.

It's ridiculous to expect the elite portion of the playerbase to show restraint, but that was the only way PC was going to evolve into something vibrant and exciting. Who knows what the situation would be if there was some form of team deploy to elevate team play within the masses, but that's not the case. If you don't agree with this last statement then there is no point in talking with you.

And Thor still doesn't answer my question. You answered "at it" but still dodged the question.

What would you like DNS to do so that the game is "fun" for everyone?

Anyone answer it.

Then we are back to fighting each other every night like before while others reap the bigger rewards.

Doesn't matter to me but I prefer to make ISK. It won't come easy forever.

I'm not calling them anything. I'm just getting my ISK. If someone from DNS sent most of these Corps an invite they would join right up. Now your self-righteous finger points won't, just to save face but run of the mill Corps and single mercs would in a second. Don't believe me, start a recruiting thread offering "X" amount of ISK per week as an incentive.

Oh, and I tried spreading the ISK Love one night. I gave everyone in my squad 5 million ISK except for one guy so they could run proto all night. Played two matches and one guy left to get on his alt and not come back and the others left one match after that. ******* charity is over.

I won't say these were KEQ guys either. I'll keep the Corp they were in under wraps.

Dude, I've offered solutions all over the place. There is some meta involved in my posts for sure. If anything else in the hope that the other 99% of Dust starts to give a damn about the higher levels of Dust play. A good chunk of the playerbase doesn't even want to squad up.

Shoot me a message in game, I don't know if you've got zeros or whatever instead of o's in your name and you are always banned.

SoTa, Thor...

If you guys are serious about looking at ways to get all facets of the community to work towards unified ways to make the game better I would like to help.

It's hard to fight through the meta and "in game" slap fights for folks to see that many of the top tier PC corps genuinely want the game to get better and community to grow just like it's difficult for those guys to see everyone elses position and what they are trying to do to get better.

I'm all about competitive play, meta fun, and all that jazz.... however, at the core though we are all in the game togther and frankly we wouldn't be here if we didn't want (or at least hope) it to get better.

Shoot me a note; we can link up in-game or skype.

In my honest (and completely unworthy of discussing PC-related matters) opinion, the underlined part is what really doomed the current version of PC. You guys reached the point to where buying your services pretty much guaranteed a victory; naturally, such a setup automatically favored the older/richer corps that could afford you all as opposed to the smaller corps that were looking to make a name for themselves. The moment smaller corps could begin to mount any sort of threat to the older/big corps they could call mercs in and put the problem to bed for good.

If PC is going to become anything more than what it currently is, there needs to be some sort of penalty for bringing in outside help--for example, a small loss of clones (in the actual battle) for each ringer brought in (with smaller penalties for bringing in alliance members) to promote the idea of corporations being self-sufficient. I also think that there should be some of limit placed on a player's ability to fight in PC match after PC match to reduce the ability of a corp to rely almost exclusively on their "A" team. It could be something like having a "travel time" that prevents you from fighting in one district and then immediately fighting in another; such a change could make strategy have a much more prominent role in battles as corps would have to decide where to divvy up their best talent if they're facing multiple battles.

Last but not least, strength in numbers should actually mean something. A corporation of 2,000 mediocre players should pose an equal--if not greater--threat than a smaller corp of top-tier players.

Just my two cents.

enjoy we all need a smile

Ah, but the third paragraph is the trick isn't it?

That little game mechanic feeds a lot of the current problems and if deployment capacity or movement logisitcs mattered more it would change the environment overnight. You could still run a very brisk and profitable merc business but have a lot more folks able to participate in some form or fashion.

Also black yes I do love that part x)

Give us blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon. Doesn't really have to be in that order either.


Before you get tiny nuts all twisted and start whatever blah blah rant, you asked anyone to answer what we would like DNS to do for everyone. To be honest, I couldn't care less if it's DNS, CCP, ML, OH or anyone else that gives them to everyone... I just like getting blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon.

Question answered for you?

I laugh at DNS every time someone tells the community to "be competitive". Which corp in DNS is the most competitive? None. How can I say that? Easy, neither of you guys fight the best with something of value on the line. So, next question, which corp in DNS is the best PC corp? Unknown. Now, there will be a lot of talk back and forth about who is the best, but really how will one know if the best only fight each other in FW matches? Nothing of value is on the line. Isk you say? No, because their districts will just replace it.

The only real way to figure out who the best is, is to fight each other in PC, take over the district, and keep it. Then and only then will you find out which of the DNS corps is really the best. Also, by doing just that DNS will actually practice what they preach and "be competitive".

You want the community to "get good"? Sure, but it takes time and isk. Time we have, isk we don't. Unlike DNS, the community doesn't have billions of isk coming in every day to spend. So, unless DNS is going to start giving 10's of millions of isk to the community so that they can spend it on suits and crap packs to attack you guys and "get good", quit crying like a whiny child. Makes you look dumb.

Now what is this prepping you speak of? This next war that is clearly going to be against yourselves. I say that since you already cry about the community not putting out against you, so really, who is gonna fight this next war that has you prepping for it? It has to be each other since I really doubt there is an undercover super duper alliance thats gonna magic missle DNS and give them a run for their isk. Really DNS, quit the crying, quit the lame as* reasoning you guys claim and just STFU and HTFU cause ya'll coming off like a bunch rich kid cry babies that are mad no one wants to play with them.

My thinking was this:
A PC battle should, in essence, be a skirmish match with an even amount of clones on each side (let's assume 150.) Bringing in a non-alliance member to ring should deduct 5 clones from your clone count, whereas an alliance member could cost 2 or 3. So a merc corporation (outside of the alliance) that supplied all 16 players for a match would have only 70 clones vs. the opponent's 150. Even that might not be enough of a penalty to stop the uber-deathsquads from securing the win, but it should make things much more interesting for more evenly-matched corps.

Other things:
A clone pack should place the attacker on equal footing with the defender for the battle. So if you had a district with 450 clones or whatever, the actual battle would be between the same number of clones in the clone pack (again, 150 as a hypothetical example.) If the attacking side wins, they can either press the attack with whatever clones they had left from the battle or restock with another clone pack. Pressing the attack would ensure that another corporation couldn't launch an attack on the weakened enemy, whereas using a clone pack resupply could result in a small timer penalty that opens up a window of opportunity for other corps to snipe an attack. Either way, the district isn't lost until the defender's clone count reaches zero. This--combined with relatively cheap prices for a clone pack--would enable the large, lower-quality corporations to wage wars of attrition against stronger opposition.

For the defending side, districts should restock at least one battle's worth of clones each day while providing ISK revenue. I honestly don't know what sort of amounts are currently involved with district ownership, so I'll have to defer to those of you that are currently involved in PC to figure out a reasonable amount of ISK that helps cover losses incurred without becoming ISK farms.

Thoughts?

That was it? I tell DNS to quit crying like a whiny child and my post somehow has rage and tears in it? You're not so good at trolling. You and darrith (oops ) need to do better, this didn't make me laugh at all, just smh in disappointment at both of you.

Oh, right let my guess rage and tears in this one too right? Come bra (oops ) give me some giggles. Talk to sapphire or what ever his name is.. that dude had me rolling in local the other night.

Quote from him "If I got every chick I f*cked pregnant, I would have twice the population of china in babies." That was when he flipped out over me calling his anus virgin turf for me. He went on and on for probably 30 mins.. pretty funny sh*t to laugh at.

Also I would like to point out, I am not trolling, but would very much like some trolling to be done here.. This the war room, WHY SO SERIOUS?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5dP_83O7o

Oh, and thank you for the constructive discussion. I know I'm nothing special in this game and nowhere near good enough to be playing in the current version of PC, but I do believe that PC should be the pinnacle of Dust gameplay and that as things currently stand, there's very little hope of scrubs like me and most new players ever being able to take part in it.

What? A guy can't like getting blowjobs, back rubs, and bacon? Did you miss the part where I said I really don't care if it's DNS doing it or the list of other corps including my own? Come on bra, I thought you were smarter then that, but since you clearly ain't I'll breaking it down for you. I basically gave a sarcastic answer which pretty much ment "wish in one hand, sh*t in the other and see which one fills up faster". Are you trying to tell me that you are so base, that you really thought I wanted DNS to get on their knees and blow me? WOW. And you say I troll myself... the pot just called the kettle BLACK.

Now for your comment on PC:

Congrats, you just made rocks look smart compared to you. Lets see, 16 v 16 in FW I don't beleive. Granted I haven't Q sync'd FW in awhile so maybe you can get 16 v 16 now, but last I heard it was still 12 v 12 unless you got lucky and got 14 v 14 (very rare that one). But, hey! you're DNS I'm sure you got magic missle powers that will make that happen right? Right.

Ok, different game mode? Ya, try hard to sound super duper cool right there. I'm guess you go by xero cool IRL right? Cause you wear your sunglasses at night. Anyway, lets just answer that question. Yes, it is. Why and how? Because there is nothing of value to lose in a FW match. Simple terms just for you since I already know I'll have to go down this road with you: In a PC match, if you lose to much, you lose your district. That means you lose your isk farmland because you failed to be good or you took a district because you're super awesome and now have more isk farmlands. You see now? people don't really give it their full 100% because nothing is on line. FW = Bragging matches. Bragging matches are like you in the forums, pointless, dumb, and at times funny.

(see how I did the little "=" in there? I did math just like you! )
(also, none of this was trolling you. Just pointing out the obvious)

Hmm, interesting quote and line to use. Respond and you admit to being stupid. Keep your mouth shut, take it like b*tch, and you're smart. Catch 22. I guess I'm either stupid or defiant.. maybe both

Hold the phone, sota is cute because he ain't all that bright, but I'm an as*hole because I have a brain and don't use it to your liking? lol.

Here you are being redundant in the very same post you dinged me for repeating myself. lol, I wonder if we all should heed your words in the 2nd quote.

Ah, so it is perfectly fine for DNS members (more like your friends) to bash and make personal attacks while I cannot? Interesting and yet at the very same time so very, very typical. I look at this whole post and put myself in third persons shoes and yet, I still see this as an angry post with some hypocrisy in it. Why are you angry? because I bash your friends like they bash others?

I take it you'll be smart Romeo & Juliet.

I thought thats what you losers did because you cant get real jobs or even get laid.