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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:22:00 -
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I really have a hard time understanding how it's the community's fault for not providing fights when for 2 years 90% of the best players have slowly all ended up in a few corps.
My corp has taken a big hit since this all took place and I'm not so sure I blame some of the guys who have left. You either have to speak French or join OH/IH to have a chance. I was a founding member of Molon Labe and I even left for a couple of days before feeling the need to go back home.
Honestly, it's like the MLB all star team going on an ass kicking tour of AAA farm teams and calling them out for not being able to compete. I can't wrap my head around it. I know there is some trolling involved, but it appears that many inside DNS believe that by studying a map a bit more we'll be able to compete.
Do people inside DNS honestly believe that any form of competitive game play in Dust is possible with such a concentration of talent on one side?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:26:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Again dont have any beef against any one on DNS in fact I play with a bunch of them on regular basis every day.
You have your opinion and you are in your own right to have that. However I don't agree to one word you are saying/stating If you guys want epic fights and and a good game it's hippo critical to do what DNS is doing , al you want is a no risk game saying anything else is pathetic.
I have ran across you guys qsinking in FW as a example.
16 guys full proto/ads/tanks you name it against 16 randoms. Again nothing wrong with it but I lack to c the fun game in that.
Before you go al bonkers I actually don't have a problem that you own everything you are that good period, however your perception about a fun game is some what flawed in my mind.
Regards
Did me saying that DNS has epic fights in FW come off wrong? Did my comment saying nothings changed from letting you guys PC or fighting in FW not hit home on my point? You weren't giving epic fights. They were always between FA/AE/ERA. And now we sync against each other in FW which opens up several maps and modes for us to play against each other in organized manners. This offers us much more variety then the same 3 maps and game mode vs the same people over and over again... for 6 months. And best part? No annoying ass timers. And on a side note - I find it hard to swallow comments from people representing corps who can't even win mid-tier games. Don't talk about fights when your corp wouldn't ever field you if they did have land, instead buys ringers. - Man I keep coming off jerky, but I am tired of these propagandous statements. If WTF or OH were to say we're just being pussies and not wanted good fights I'd take it, they fight hard, so when they talk mad crap bout DNS on the forums all I can really do smile out of respect. But the rest of you do not hold any position to judge us.
I hadn't read this one yet when I posted my comment.
This pretty much wraps up why Dust will never be able to get where we want it to go. You guys have ALL the talent outside of WTF and OH and you **** all over us for not being able to compete. **** YOU.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:30:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I really have a hard time understanding how it's the community's fault for not providing fights when for 2 years 90% of the best players have slowly all ended up in a few corps.
My corp has taken a big hit since this all took place and I'm not so sure I blame some of the guys who have left. You either have to speak French or join OH/IH to have a chance. I was a founding member of Molon Labe and I even left for a couple of days before feeling the need to go back home.
Honestly, it's like the MLB all star team going on an ass kicking tour of AAA farm teams and calling them out for not being able to compete. I can't wrap my head around it. I know there is some trolling involved, but it appears that many inside DNS believe that by studying a map a bit more we'll be able to compete.
Do people inside DNS honestly believe that any form of competitive game play in Dust is possible with such a concentration of talent on one side? Idk bout anyone else but I just expect fights.. Train the guys in our corp. get some chemistry going. Way more fun than pubs
There's no doubt. What do you think we want? The only avenue we have to do that is to attack one of you guys. Then we get our faces raped off and lose a couple more dudes to you.
It's ****** up. Then to rub noses in it. I guess good luck. I hope it's fun.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:06:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I really have a hard time understanding how it's the community's fault for not providing fights when for 2 years 90% of the best players have slowly all ended up in a few corps.
My corp has taken a big hit since this all took place and I'm not so sure I blame some of the guys who have left. You either have to speak French or join OH/IH to have a chance. I was a founding member of Molon Labe and I even left for a couple of days before feeling the need to go back home.
Honestly, it's like the MLB all star team going on an ass kicking tour of AAA farm teams and calling them out for not being able to compete. I can't wrap my head around it. I know there is some trolling involved, but it appears that many inside DNS believe that by studying a map a bit more we'll be able to compete.
Do people inside DNS honestly believe that any form of competitive game play in Dust is possible with such a concentration of talent on one side? Do you seriously believe this non-sense? How many times did you guys pay me off to hold your crap for you? If you wanted fights why didn't you concentrate spending your ISK getting talent instead of paying us off to win for you? It seems way too convenient for you guys to run your mouths off about this when you did nothing to prepare yourselves to compete. I mean no offense, but your comments... aren't justified. Please, justify them to me so I can better comprehend your point of view, because it seems VERY sketchy right now.
So when all the talent that was in Eon, ANON, Pro Hic, Seraphim, and all the others who abandoned PC go to the corps that were better than them or kicked their ass and caused them to disband it's not going to cause a pretty significant barrier to compete for other teams?
Back when there was a larger number of corps participating in PC we fielded our own teams. We even had marginal success. But the pool of participants kept shrinking. It got to the point that it didn't matter if it was corp A vs corp B, you were going to see the same A list names from ringing groups. That's when we started hiring ringers and ultimately when we started locking. Should we have kept fighting instead of locking? Perhaps, but as history shows that probably wouldn't have turned out well. People don't handle losing well in this game, you should know that because most of the talent that is in your alliance is there after their original corp got destroyed by AE or TP.
Take Molon Labe out of it. Let's discuss some other names of corps who stuck out despite the odds. Name some names of corps who stuck it out. It'll be a short list.
Where do you see the competition coming from? How do you propose those corps prepare?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:08:00 -
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And for the record I am 90% certain that Sota has NEVER been hired by Molon Labe. And to be honest there are only a handful of times we've ever hired ringers. We did use alliance people, but if we are going to get **** on for that then take a look in the mirror.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:27:00 -
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What war and with who? Do you have imaginary friends in some parallel server?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:32:00 -
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Sota, it's not about tears. It's about reality. The fact that you are justifying blueing up ALL of the capable corps in PC outside of WTF (who had taken off what 8 months?) and OH and shitting all over the rest of Dust is enough in my book.
There is no reason to continue talking to you. You are delusional.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:37:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:What war and with who? Do you have imaginary friends in some parallel server?
... you need to re-read what I wrote. Try not to spill your stupidity so openly in your next post, please. SoTasLost Property wrote: We are constantly growing and preparing the next war, even now when there's no one to fight. That is what it means to be a PC corp.
If you want to continue this, I don't mind. I might be looking like a jerk picking on your cryhards, but you're not even bothering to try to think. It's just biased tears of, "waaaah, it's too hard to try now." I can't feel sympathy right now for such responses and approaches to conversation.
I don't want sympathy. It's just reality dude. You can keep trying to insult me but it doesn't change the reality of this situation. I've said before that I don't blame people for joining DNS given the current situation, but the trash talking that goes along with it is hard to stomach. Just enjoy your ISK dude. But you don't have to trash the other 99% of Dust.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3480
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:54:00 -
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Your corp won't be around long dude. When that donut breaks up and you get attacked, you'll fold up and hop onto the winning train.
In the meantime go **** yourself. If you are even in Dallas shoot me a message. I'd love to buy you a beer. I promise not to bounce your head off the bar.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.23 18:02:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Your corp won't be around long dude. When that donut breaks up and you get attacked, you'll fold up and hop onto the winning train.
In the meantime go **** yourself. If you are even in Dallas shoot me a message. I'd love to buy you a beer. I promise not to bounce your head off the bar. Oh noes, you mean I'll always be with my friends just with different tags?? That sounds AWFUL! How will I ever get past the embarrassment? LOL HvLP is here to stay. If you got to know what's going on with this Corp you'd be a lot friendlier with me ^_^
You are a troll and you've succeeded.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:17:00 -
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B1ack ice wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Your corp won't be around long dude. When that donut breaks up and you get attacked, you'll fold up and hop onto the winning train.
In the meantime go **** yourself. If you are ever in Dallas shoot me a message. I'd love to buy you a beer. I promise not to bounce your head off the bar. HvLP is, as Sota said, here to stay. Even at the improbability that everyone would leave and move to another corporation, I will be here for the rest of my DUST existence. Sota created the Anime Corp and I created Heaven's Lost Property. With that said, we aren't just a corporation, we're a family. That's cool, I don't mean to trash the hard work you've more than likely put into your corp. a few hours ago I would have jammed his head through sheet rock.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.23 20:30:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:B1ack ice wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Your corp won't be around long dude. When that donut breaks up and you get attacked, you'll fold up and hop onto the winning train.
In the meantime go **** yourself. If you are ever in Dallas shoot me a message. I'd love to buy you a beer. I promise not to bounce your head off the bar. HvLP is, as Sota said, here to stay. Even at the improbability that everyone would leave and move to another corporation, I will be here for the rest of my DUST existence. Sota created the Anime Corp and I created Heaven's Lost Property. With that said, we aren't just a corporation, we're a family. That's cool, I don't mean to trash the hard work you've more than likely put into your corp. a few hours ago I would have jammed his head through sheet rock. Can't win with words so you turn to violence? Typical peasant. Get back in your cage. I have no respect for your type, and have lost a **** ton of respect I had for you till this day, and I had PLENTY of respect for you till now. But this? Absurd comments with no basis, and now talks of violence in reality. You've just turned into a completely scum guy over a game. Pathetic. :\
Dude, I've spent a year busting my ass to help build up my corp. The founding dudes left ******* PRO and started from scratch. Then after a few weeks Sev Kimura left Dust for real life stuff. But we grew into the most active corp in Dust. And we are purging PC players because of this competitive environment that shitheads like you have created. Go back and look at some of the bullshit you've posted. How do you think I'm going to react?
I could give two fucks if you respect me. I've talked to you a grand total of Zero times.
It's the internet dude. I could say I'm going to bang your ear hole and it means nothing.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3485
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:21:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Ok Thor, I'll ask you this. What would you propose that we(DNS) do so that others can participate? Obviously the game should have a name change from Planetary Conquest to How the Community wants us to Play.
I'm all eyes. Let me read what you want done.
Dude, you guys can have it all man, but don't all join up and wonder why nobody can compete with you. You left KEQ to hop on board the AE bandwagon. I don't blame guys for doing it, but don't **** all over everybody who hasn't abandoned the corp they came up in.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:25:00 -
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Reading Sota's post about being pumped about working with AE and what they can accomplish boggles me. Who the HELL was this awesome stuff supposed to happen against? I mean really, what game is the dude playing?
Is Outer Heaven that scary to Sota?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3489
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:33:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Reading Sota's post about being pumped about working with AE and what they can accomplish boggles me. Who the HELL was this awesome stuff supposed to happen against? I mean really, what game is the dude playing?
Is Outer Heaven that scary to Sota? Oh, yes, terrifying. Please, save me from there clone packs and scout spam. What ever shall my HMG do? :D I had no idea wanting to work with people you've been fighting against for nearly a year was a bad thing. I was excited for the change, and to be reunited with old friends. Why is that worth trolling for you?
For the 1000th time, it's fine that you guys all reunited but don't sugar coat it as some preparation for some great war to come. As long as you are all united there won't be anything of note happening. I don't believe that it's necessarily you or your alliance's problem, but it's reality. The vast majority of Dust is nowhere near being able to compete with even the low rung PC corps, much less a conglomerate of the most dominate PC teams we've seen over the last year.
It's ridiculous to expect the elite portion of the playerbase to show restraint, but that was the only way PC was going to evolve into something vibrant and exciting. Who knows what the situation would be if there was some form of team deploy to elevate team play within the masses, but that's not the case. If you don't agree with this last statement then there is no point in talking with you.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.24 15:20:00 -
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The answer is that there won't be any real fun as long as the situation stays the way it is. It won't be fun for anyone outside of the donut and I can only imagine it will get boring inside the donut as well.
And again, I'm not faulting individuals or even individual corps involved. But the proper perspective is necessary.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3496
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Posted - 2014.04.24 15:43:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:bigolenuts wrote:And Thor still doesn't answer my question. You answered "at it" but still dodged the question.
What would you like DNS to do so that the game is "fun" for everyone?
Anyone answer it. How about both AE and ERA/NF pull out of PC completely and go back to mercing? I must admit - it was way more fun back then. This empire business is both messy and work.
The participation levels of corps that have participated in PC in the last few months are still too low for anything to really change. In other words it would still just be you guys fighting no matter what.
You say I'm whining, but the facts of the matter are that it really doesn't matter all that much if you guys are aligned or if you guys are mercs. There just isn't enough interest from the playerbase. And as I've also said multiple times it's ridiculous to ask for the elite players of the game to show restraint. This is CCP's fault. Releasing PC without a low risk form of team deploy killed any chance of PC being successful.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3496
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Posted - 2014.04.24 15:45:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The answer is that there won't be any real fun as long as the situation stays the way it is. It won't be fun for anyone outside of the donut and I can only imagine it will get boring inside the donut as well.
And again, I'm not faulting individuals or even individual corps involved. But the proper perspective is necessary. So, boiled down, you just want to finger point and not offer a solution. Continue forward finger pointing guy.
Dude, I've offered solutions all over the place. There is some meta involved in my posts for sure. If anything else in the hope that the other 99% of Dust starts to give a damn about the higher levels of Dust play. A good chunk of the playerbase doesn't even want to squad up.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.24 16:40:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The answer is that there won't be any real fun as long as the situation stays the way it is. It won't be fun for anyone outside of the donut and I can only imagine it will get boring inside the donut as well.
And again, I'm not faulting individuals or even individual corps involved. But the proper perspective is necessary. So, boiled down, you just want to finger point and not offer a solution. Continue forward finger pointing guy. Dude, I've offered solutions all over the place. There is some meta involved in my posts for sure. If anything else in the hope that the other 99% of Dust starts to give a damn about the higher levels of Dust play. A good chunk of the playerbase doesn't even want to squad up. If this is truly your passion then we need to talk in game Thor. There is so much a group like you can do to bring people together to get stuff done. You could be working with Top Men, Necromongers, and all the other forces slowly building themselves up from the recent crapfest. You don't need to merge or join alliances - aid can be had in many ways, support and communication is as easy as setting up a channel. HvLP wants to help revitalize the communities will to live. We may still be our group looking out for ourselves in the end - but go look around the groups preparing for war - you'll notice I've already spoken to most, trying to help however I can. Sometimes the best help I can give is bringing the right two people together. And if corps are having a hard time standing on there own - then work together! The talent outside of DNS equals the ones inside here - if not more so!! Some of the recruits HvLP have been picking up that don't even have 10mil SP are just fantastic ******* players who will one day be smashing Regynum and my faces in. Especially this one tanker... we took him to PC and he went nearly 4k WP in his first ever match. :O
Shoot me a message in game, I don't know if you've got zeros or whatever instead of o's in your name and you are always banned.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.25 23:03:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Wow this no name scrub actually thinks time and isk will help the garbage dust community "get good" The dust community was trash in closed beta and is still trash to this day. Keep telling yourself that you will get good one day. The players in DNS were rich before DNS. We got here by being good at the game. Scrub corps will always be trash no matter how much time and isk you have. Even SP only takes you so far. Know your place scrub.
I don't know dude, I do at least 15 push-ups every single day
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