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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8738
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:14:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0b0_3cW9c
Spot on.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1414
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:19:00 -
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The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8738
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:24:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
10472
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:25:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I would like overheating to empty the rest of the magazine instead of oerheating, this way you would still need to stop shootig, but you'll be able to run or switch weapons unlike overheating.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8738
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:26:00 -
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"This is the pinnacle of paintball technology.n++" - Some random guy on youtube
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1414
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:28:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I would like overheating to empty the rest of the magazine instead of oerheating, this way you would still need to stop shootig, but you'll be able to run or switch weapons unlike overheating. That would use up LOTS of ammo though :( |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5166
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:31:00 -
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I pistol whip scouts with the Ion. I just wait for them to get close... "Want some!?" BOOM "GET SOME!"
Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8741
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:31:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I would like overheating to empty the rest of the magazine instead of oerheating, this way you would still need to stop shootig, but you'll be able to run or switch weapons unlike overheating. That would use up LOTS of ammo though :( It already has terrible ammo economy :\
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5164
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:36:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0b0_3cW9c
Spot on.
"If you're looking for a good challenge, use a Gallente weapon" - Moody 2014
''Except the Shotgun (with cloak)'' - KC
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8745
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0b0_3cW9c
Spot on.
"If you're looking for a good challenge, use a Gallente weapon" - Moody 2014 ''Except the Shotgun (with cloak)'' - KC He actually did say "except the shotgun", and then took back the statement because of hit detection.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4951
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:41:00 -
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Correct, the only thing holding the shotgun back from a full not sucking is it's hit detection.
So... gallente are almost close to a fully functional weapon.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
2038
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:41:00 -
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Right on the money. It's pretty much the worst except for maybe the STD flaylock. I have a single point in both it and flaylocks for when I'm feeling on my game and wanting to embarrass some fools.
Nerdier than thou
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12547
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:42:00 -
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*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4951
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys.
Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8745
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:46:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Correct, the only thing holding the shotgun back from a full not sucking is it's hit detection.
So... gallente are almost close to a fully functional weapon. ALMOST
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12547
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:46:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set.
I enjoyed the video btw. Cyrius for best youtuber!
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Kane Fyea
2631
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:47:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. I'm glad I only went operation 3 on it |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8745
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:48:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set. Moody, you seem to not understand. Look at every Caldari weapon, see anything BAD? Not average, not half decent, just plain BAD? No?
Now, look at the Gallente weaponry. Every single one is plain bad, except the shotgun that is almost there, but still only half decent.
Now who's the Caldari enemy?
It all makes sense.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1417
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I would like overheating to empty the rest of the magazine instead of oerheating, this way you would still need to stop shootig, but you'll be able to run or switch weapons unlike overheating. That would use up LOTS of ammo though :( It already has terrible ammo economy :\ But I dont want it to be even worse :(
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3091
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:52:00 -
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It would have been nice for it not to over hear with single firing and not overheat when it's only half charged.
I'm going to hold my judgement on it till they fix the bugs. For now, I enjoy it.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4506
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys.
I took AMARR SCOUT to five! Don't you dare gripe!
=^,.,^=
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12550
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:00:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. I took AMARR SCOUT to five! Don't you dare gripe!
I do dare gripe because Amarr scout is actually a pretty decent suit. It's outperformed, but it works very well nonetheless.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5168
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:02:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0b0_3cW9c
Spot on.
"If you're looking for a good challenge, use a Gallente weapon" - Moody 2014 ''Except the Shotgun (with cloak)'' - KC He actually did say "except the shotgun", and then took back the statement because of hit detection.
Awww yeah. hit detection sucks on that thing.
Although it does not make a lot of difference when you can position yourself perfectly at 1tms away from your target...
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4953
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:02:00 -
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Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
4506
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:03:00 -
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But I also have proto IoP.
D:
=^,.,^=
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5168
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:05:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians.
And their PC, their AR,the TAC,the Breach AR, the BURST AR, their active scanners,there OP logis....
Mourn mourn.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3091
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :(
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12551
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:08:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :(
Bless you fellow Gallentean. I want to squad with you someday, btw.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5169
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:15:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :( Bless you fellow Gallentean. I want to squad with you someday, btw.
I could swear you were amarrian Arkena. WTH....
I need some sleep...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12551
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :( Bless you fellow Gallentean. I want to squad with you someday, btw. I could swear you were amarrian Arkena. WTH....I need some sleep...
I'm an SCR aficionado in my spare time with a soft spot for the Amarr, but I'm primarily Gallentean. Of course, the beauty of our culture is that we're entirely free to have such beliefs.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8750
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:20:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians. And their PC, their AR,the TAC,the Breach AR, the BURST AR, their active scanners,there OP logis.... Mourn mourn. That's all we do tbh. Except for Kirk, he kicks ass with everything.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5171
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians. And their PC, their AR,the TAC,the Breach AR, the BURST AR, their active scanners,there OP logis.... Mourn mourn. That's all we do tbh. Except for Kirk, he kicks ass with everything.
I've only squaded up with him once. I can say he is a true Adept of Gallentean Tech.
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5171
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:23:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :( Bless you fellow Gallentean. I want to squad with you someday, btw. I could swear you were amarrian Arkena. WTH....I need some sleep... I'm an SCR aficionado in my spare time with a soft spot for the Amarr, but I'm primarily Gallentean. Of course, the beauty of our culture is that we're entirely free to have such beliefs.
Heh, i am Amarrian with a soft spot For Gallentean tech. :3 The beauty of our culture is that we dont have to make mistakes while ''choosing''. When there is only One, then there is no wrong.When you have options, chances are ,you'll be incorrect.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12553
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians. And their PC, their AR,the TAC,the Breach AR, the BURST AR, their active scanners,there OP logis.... Mourn mourn. That's all we do tbh. Except for Kirk, he kicks ass with everything. I've only squaded up with him once. I can say he is a true Adept of Gallentean Tech.
I'd never actually seen someone clear a room of heavies with an ion pistol before squadding with Kirk.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
3092
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:27:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :( Bless you fellow Gallentean. I want to squad with you someday, btw. Prepare to be disappointed.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12554
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:29:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. It's ok, I'm at prof 3 :( Bless you fellow Gallentean. I want to squad with you someday, btw. Prepare to be disappointed.
Entirely forgiveable if you're using Gallente tech. ::)
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Sad Heavy
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
70
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:46:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians. Yes they should mourn their pistol, my BP is so much better
Scrubby Python Pilot, Corp Chat Troll, Elite Scrub, Caldari Loyalist
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
397
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic.
I still don't like the idea of a OSK pistol.
The pistol sucks, but I want want it to kill me in one hit.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4956
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:48:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic. I still don't like the idea of a OSK pistol. The pistol sucks, but I want want it to kill me in one hit.
Breach scrambler. OHK headshots for all.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
2554
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic.
It seems to me that this phenomenon is called Logicloop
For the Federation!
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1419
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Posted - 2014.04.21 23:31:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic. I still don't like the idea of a OSK pistol. The pistol sucks, but I want want it to kill me in one hit. We already have osk pistols |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
708
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Posted - 2014.04.22 00:37:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Correct, the only thing holding the shotgun back from a full not sucking is it's hit detection.
So... gallente are almost close to a fully functional weapon. Honestly though, if you used the shotgun around 1.1-1.4(?) when the hit detection was ~10X worse it feels amazing.
Been keeping track of my average kill death ratio when using shotguns vs. knives/SMG vs. rifles and my shotgunning fits always do me better. The knives are too fun to stop using though
Running at 10.6 m/s ak.0
Projects: TDBS | SDETool
ScrubzBScrubz
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
5939
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Posted - 2014.04.22 00:40:00 -
[43] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set. This is what you said about the flaylock lol.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
398
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Posted - 2014.04.22 00:55:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic. I still don't like the idea of a OSK pistol. The pistol sucks, but I want want it to kill me in one hit. Breach scrambler. OHK headshots for all.
Landing a charged shot is much easier than a headshot in this game.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1419
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Posted - 2014.04.22 01:30:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 I'm sorry sir but you're using logic. CCP uses what's called "CCP Logic", it's in complete reverse to normal logic. I still don't like the idea of a OSK pistol. The pistol sucks, but I want want it to kill me in one hit. Breach scrambler. OHK headshots for all. Landing a charged shot is much easier than a headshot in this game. You have to be much closer though and you cant miss or you will overheat, unlike with the breach where you can just keep shooting |
Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
4319
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Posted - 2014.04.22 01:37:00 -
[46] - Quote
Dog snoring is OP
Please nerf
Alpha Response Command (ALREC)
The premier training corp for commandos.
Apply today!
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4965
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Posted - 2014.04.22 01:51:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set. This is what you said about the flaylock lol.
It's my go to statement for terrible weapons.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Galthur
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
465
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Posted - 2014.04.22 01:52:00 -
[48] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set. I was told the same by Caldari/Amaar about the PLC
IRC guest keeps thinking I'm Obiwan
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
4965
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Posted - 2014.04.22 01:56:00 -
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Galthur wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set. I was told the same by Caldari/Amaar about the PLC
Look at it like this... In like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
398
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:01:00 -
[50] - Quote
Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Landing a charged shot is much easier than a headshot in this game. You have to be much closer though and you cant miss or you will overheat, unlike with the breach where you can just keep shooting
True, but that only applies if that player shooting is actively trying to get a headshot. Not to mention that the breach pistol is slower than the bolt pistol, where as an (balanced) ion pistol has options.
Buffing the hip-fire, damage, and maybe recoil are a given, but the charge shot needs careful tweaking.
The not Logic Bomb!
-->We need better comms!<--
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1421
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:50:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Landing a charged shot is much easier than a headshot in this game. You have to be much closer though and you cant miss or you will overheat, unlike with the breach where you can just keep shooting True, but that only applies if that player shooting is actively trying to get a headshot. Not to mention that the breach pistol is slower than the bolt pistol, where as an (balanced) ion pistol has options. Buffing the hip-fire, damage, and maybe recoil are a given, but the charge shot needs careful tweaking. The breach shoots faster than the bolt The charge shot needs big changes. If damage isnt changed then overheat needs to be removed completely. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2180
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:52:00 -
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I tried using the IoP a couple matches. I'd say your review hits all my thoughts on that weapon on the head.
It has literally no redeeming qualities. The lowest range AND almost the lowest DPS?
With the crap range then they force you to use the terribad hipfire, thus ensuring you can't even hit the target. Not that you'd be able to kill it anyway.
I'd say up base damage by 1/3 and mag capacity by 1/2 while tightening hipfire dispersion a great deal.
the charge shot needs work, too. It should be powerful enough that you should think very hard about following whoever is using it around the corner but not so strong as to be able to OHK an undamaged suit.
Gallente weapons should be able to be the go-to choice for CQC combat. The fact that they are consistently outperformed by every other race at every range is disconcerting.
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
398
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Posted - 2014.04.22 02:59:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Landing a charged shot is much easier than a headshot in this game. You have to be much closer though and you cant miss or you will overheat, unlike with the breach where you can just keep shooting True, but that only applies if that player shooting is actively trying to get a headshot. Not to mention that the breach pistol is slower than the bolt pistol, where as an (balanced) ion pistol has options. Buffing the hip-fire, damage, and maybe recoil are a given, but the charge shot needs careful tweaking. The breach shoots faster than the bolt The charge shot needs big changes. If damage isnt changed then overheat needs to be removed completely.
You're wrong, but the bolt does have fewer rounds per mag. Breach RPM: 133.33 Bolt RPM: 150
Removing the seize time is an interesting idea, assuming the damaged isn't increased at all. I'll have to ponder on that.
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
775
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:00:00 -
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looks like an awesome gun if it didn't seize up on the charge. otherwise no good
Assault dropship gets blown up....
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1421
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:02:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Landing a charged shot is much easier than a headshot in this game. You have to be much closer though and you cant miss or you will overheat, unlike with the breach where you can just keep shooting True, but that only applies if that player shooting is actively trying to get a headshot. Not to mention that the breach pistol is slower than the bolt pistol, where as an (balanced) ion pistol has options. Buffing the hip-fire, damage, and maybe recoil are a given, but the charge shot needs careful tweaking. The breach shoots faster than the bolt The charge shot needs big changes. If damage isnt changed then overheat needs to be removed completely. Derp, but the bolt does have fewer rounds per mag. Breach RPM: Bolt RPM: 150 Removing the seize time is an interesting idea, assuming the damaged isn't increased at all. I'll have to ponder on that. Bolt pistol shoots at 92.3 RPM. you have to factor in the charge time. |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
398
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:09:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Derp, but the bolt does have fewer rounds per mag. Breach RPM: Bolt RPM: 150
Removing the seize time is an interesting idea, assuming the damaged isn't increased at all. I'll have to ponder on that. Bolt pistol shoots at 92.3 RPM. you have to factor in the charge time.
Where did you get that number? And charge time shouldn't be factored into RPM. It artificially increases reaction time, it doesn't decrease rate of fire.
I want note that the "derp" was an edit by me thinking that I recorded the wrong stat only for me to triple check to see I was right all along, disregarding charge time that is.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1424
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:13:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Derp, but the bolt does have fewer rounds per mag. Breach RPM: Bolt RPM: 150
Removing the seize time is an interesting idea, assuming the damaged isn't increased at all. I'll have to ponder on that. Bolt pistol shoots at 92.3 RPM. you have to factor in the charge time. Where did you get that number? And charge time shouldn't be factored into RPM. It increases reaction time, is doesn't decrease rate of fire. I want note that the "derp" was an edit by me thinking that I recorded the wrong stat only for me to triple check to see I was right along disregarding charge time. Because you have to charge before each shot Default time between shots is .4 seconds. Charge time before each shot is .25 seconds Total Time between shots is .65 seconds 60/.65=92.3 |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:14:00 -
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The AR is a good weapon guys. It's just underpowered compared to the combat rifle. It's also more of a strafe weapon for newbs to use if they want something easy to use and like to have a lot of ammo. That's a bad thing though...
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1424
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:16:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:The AR is a good weapon guys. It's just underpowered compared to the combat rifle. It's also more of a strafe weapon for newbs to use if they want something easy to use and like to have a lot of ammo. That's a bad thing though... The combat rifle makes everything underpowered |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
399
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:41:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Bolt pistol shoots at 92.3 RPM. you have to factor in the charge time. Where did you get that number? And charge time shouldn't be factored into RPM. It increases reaction time, is doesn't decrease rate of fire. Because you have to charge before each shot Default time between shots is .4 seconds. Charge time before each shot is .25 seconds Total Time between shots is .65 seconds 60/.65=92.3
- Your numbers match gameplay and given numbers don't - I never bothered to check - CCP numbers are bull ****
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
2937
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Posted - 2014.04.22 03:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Let the gallente mourn their pistol, ye selfish Amarrians. And their PC, their AR,the TAC,the Breach AR, the BURST AR, their active scanners,there OP logis.... Mourn mourn. That's all we do tbh. Except for Kirk, he kicks ass with everything. That dude put me to shame in a PLC commando fit.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Oswald Rehnquist
1338
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Posted - 2014.04.22 04:28:00 -
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I use both the Ion and the Bolt
First, I want to state that its Moody > Oswald by far, and the Ion does need to be fixed, no argument there, in fact I wouldn't mind various buff to the other pistols to put it up to smg/scp levels to have some parity.
But in the video he uses the ion pistol in a manner that is very consistent to bolt pistol play (minus 10-20m), which I find to be less successful than if used as a shotgun. the Ions shortcomings throws its effectiveness in shotgun range 5-10m with 6-10 shots followed by a charge (charge shots are always your last shot), though like the bolt flanking really benefits this weapon (I'm captain obvious I know), a head shot charge shot is required.
Which means as stated earlier shotgun tactics are thy best way to use the pistol. Using the weapon solo, 400-650 ehp is the range where it has success the higher numbers is assuming if the target is more shield heavy, anything higher and you are going to need a follow up weapon to clean up (thus not using the charge shot). Also you can't juggle as many opponents like the shotgun can, you are limited to 1-2 players at a time.
I don't have all the skills into the ion pistol so I don't know how the dispersion feels after the points, but I have a feeling it would still need a boost in accuracy to at least make better use of its 20 range (if the ar can be accurate why not the Ion?). Also instead of a seize I think the gun should consume points in ammunition, so a charge shot takes like 4-6 bullets. The lack of seize would immensely boost its dps potential along with its synergy with other weapons.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1428
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Posted - 2014.04.22 05:59:00 -
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 06:46:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*cries quietly* I took this thing to prof 5 guys. Look at it like this... in like 6 months when it doesn't suck you'll be set.
Like the plasma cannon you mean?
PLC broken anniversary at 5/14/2014.
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
396
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:59:00 -
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I feel for you my Gallente brothers and sisters mercs.... *looks at his Flaylock and sighs.* We Minnies know what it's like when your pistol isn't quite up to par . (Yes I know we knew what it was also like to have the power of GOD in our hands but still !)
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
330
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:04:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0b0_3cW9c
Spot on.
"If you're looking for a good challenge, use a Gallente weapon" - Moody 2014 ccp moron remark after looking at ur video-½ meh this guy sux he dont how to use **** pistol correctly blahblah will not buff ion pistol too much work , more importing to do right now like adding 99 % discount on the ion pistol arent u happy consumer we give luv you big hug can i haz ur money......... -+ |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8797
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:14:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:I tried using the IoP a couple matches. I'd say your review hits all my thoughts on that weapon on the head.
It has literally no redeeming qualities. The lowest range AND almost the lowest DPS?
With the crap range then they force you to use the terribad hipfire, thus ensuring you can't even hit the target. Not that you'd be able to kill it anyway.
I'd say up base damage by 1/3 and mag capacity by 1/2 while tightening hipfire dispersion a great deal.
the charge shot needs work, too. It should be powerful enough that you should think very hard about following whoever is using it around the corner but not so strong as to be able to OHK an undamaged suit.
Gallente weapons should be able to be the go-to choice for CQC combat. The fact that they are consistently outperformed by every other race at every range is disconcerting.
CCP seems to not know how to balance long range weaponry.
Bolt Pistol is the only one they got right.
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
2561
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:I tried using the IoP a couple matches. I'd say your review hits all my thoughts on that weapon on the head.
It has literally no redeeming qualities. The lowest range AND almost the lowest DPS?
With the crap range then they force you to use the terribad hipfire, thus ensuring you can't even hit the target. Not that you'd be able to kill it anyway.
I'd say up base damage by 1/3 and mag capacity by 1/2 while tightening hipfire dispersion a great deal.
the charge shot needs work, too. It should be powerful enough that you should think very hard about following whoever is using it around the corner but not so strong as to be able to OHK an undamaged suit.
Gallente weapons should be able to be the go-to choice for CQC combat. The fact that they are consistently outperformed by every other race at every range is disconcerting.
CCP seems to not know how to balance long range weaponry. Bolt Pistol is the only one they got right.
Or they don't know how to balance short range ::o, as long as the ion pistol remains at the state it is in, this will be 100% undeniable proof that CCP cannot balance. I honestly do not think that Gallente weapons will ever be up to par.
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Je-NOVA
ZionTCD
16
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:33:00 -
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That suggestion to add burn damage to the plc would probably help the ion pistol stand out more. doing 50 damage per shot with 12 in a clip is pretty sad. I would increase clip size to like 17 or maybe even 24 and allow you to do up to 2 consecutive charge shots. The gun will cool down at a much slower rate if you're holding down the charge. This would also keep the gun from randomly seizing up when you're not even going for a charge shot (I seriously didn't expect it to just fill up when you do a fraction of a charge).
I love how ccp can make long range weapons so consistent and powerful, but make all the short range gallente offerings have bad hit detection, accuracy, range, and lowest dps. The gallente heavy weapon will probably be a human cannon you have to stuff your foe into before you can fire. |
Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
837
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:00:00 -
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Completely unrelated, Cyrius is my favourite Dust youtuber.
Just to give him some credit. |
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2607
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:20:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500
Remove the ROF cap? Has the TACAR, CR, Melee Glitch, AR not taught you anything?
1) Give an absolute range beyond the effective, bullets disapearing (no matter how weak) is annoying 2) Buff dmg of standard shot by 7 3) Increase mag capacity to 21 (same as burst scrambler pistol) 4) reduce spread by 25% 5) Increase overcharge shot to 550, include a 200% headshot modifier on the charge shot only 6) Increase max ammo capacity to give 3 full mags 7) Increase the bass frequencies for the sound of the weapon.
Done Personally I do really like the Ion Pistol, but you can't deny it's a little lack luster at points.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12588
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:15:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote: 7) Increase the bass frequencies for the sound of the weapon.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1435
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:18:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 Remove the ROF cap? Has the TACAR, CR, Melee Glitch, AR not taught you anything? 1) Give an absolute range beyond the effective, bullets disapearing (no matter how weak) is annoying 2) Buff dmg of standard shot by 7 3) Increase mag capacity to 21 (same as burst scrambler pistol) 4) reduce spread by 25% 5) Increase overcharge shot to 550, include a 200% headshot modifier on the charge shot only 6) Increase max ammo capacity to give 3 full mags 7) Increase the bass frequencies for the sound of the weapon. Done Personally I do really like the Ion Pistol, but you can't deny it's a little lack luster at points. Considering its low DMG no firecap would be fine. The burst scrambler has a 24 round mag btw, 29 with skills maxed. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
12588
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:19:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 Remove the ROF cap? Has the TACAR, CR, Melee Glitch, AR not taught you anything? 1) Give an absolute range beyond the effective, bullets disapearing (no matter how weak) is annoying 2) Buff dmg of standard shot by 7 3) Increase mag capacity to 21 (same as burst scrambler pistol) 4) reduce spread by 25% 5) Increase overcharge shot to 550, include a 200% headshot modifier on the charge shot only 6) Increase max ammo capacity to give 3 full mags 7) Increase the bass frequencies for the sound of the weapon. Done Personally I do really like the Ion Pistol, but you can't deny it's a little lack luster at points. Considering its low DMG no firecap would be fine. The burst scrambler has a 24 round mag btw, 29 with skills maxed.
'No firecap' is excessive, very much so. But it'd be nice if it had a RoF high enough to be able to comfortably shoot it whilst not being too vulnerable to modded controllers - something along the lines of 500 RPM.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
EUrobro
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
1435
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:23:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dexter307 wrote:The ion pistol should have the highest dps of the pistols For single shots either remove the firecap or increase the damage to 65 at standard For the charged shot either remove overheating or increase damage to 500 Remove the ROF cap? Has the TACAR, CR, Melee Glitch, AR not taught you anything? 1) Give an absolute range beyond the effective, bullets disapearing (no matter how weak) is annoying 2) Buff dmg of standard shot by 7 3) Increase mag capacity to 21 (same as burst scrambler pistol) 4) reduce spread by 25% 5) Increase overcharge shot to 550, include a 200% headshot modifier on the charge shot only 6) Increase max ammo capacity to give 3 full mags 7) Increase the bass frequencies for the sound of the weapon. Done Personally I do really like the Ion Pistol, but you can't deny it's a little lack luster at points. Considering its low DMG no firecap would be fine. The burst scrambler has a 24 round mag btw, 29 with skills maxed. 'No firecap' is excessive, very much so. But it'd be nice if it had a RoF high enough to be able to comfortably shoot it whilst not being too vulnerable to modded controllers - something along the lines of 500 RPM. 500 RPM would be nice.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:48:00 -
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