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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2836	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:06:00 - [1] - Quote Currently the AR is the least effective rifle (gallente) and is in terms of rate of fire between the assault scrambler rifle and the combat rifle. However its range is the biggest issue and the allmost identical DPS with the combat rifle so the only natural thing is that people use the combat rifle (and lower fitting cost too). So in my opinion the rate of fire should be buffed from 750 up to 850~900 rounds per minute. It would justifiy the higher fitting cost over the combat rifle and gain the close range advantage over all other weapon systems. It would still be horrible on long range but at least the weapon has a purpose to exist. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8576	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:25:00 - [2] - Quote I think they should just copy the stats of the Balac onto the Duvolle. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1275	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 4908	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:31:00 - [4] - Quote Match the Balac's rate of fire. Observe that. Make changes. A duvolle with a balac's ROF will put it at 471.4 DPS. Puts it a little more DPS than the six kin ACR. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 326	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:35:00 - [5] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...? "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 1864	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah the AR is pretty much outclassed by the CR in almost every aspect right now. The CR has more range, more DPS, better damage profile, and is way easier to fit. AR definitely needs some lovin. Let me play you the song of my people!
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 919	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:51:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I think they should just copy the stats of the Balac onto the Duvolle. That could be a bit too much but givin the AR the rof of a balac seems fine (and needed). I tested the AR the last days...and ist terrible there is really no reason to use it. But I have to admitt I used only std and adv AR's but compared to the RR/CR/SR and ASCRACR these are really in bad place :(
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 919	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:52:00 - [8] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...? Why? The CR is eant to be short to medium Range it makes no sense that it outclasses the weapon that is meant for CQC...
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization 2246	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:53:00 - [9] - Quote Stop thinking so close minded At just needs a 10% damage buff when within 10-20m Also the burst and TAC need to be removed so we can have real balance and we can finally throw out the placeholder CR and RR.
Tupni Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 110	Posted - 2014.04.19 18:09:00 - [10] - Quote I'm not dedicated enough to the AR to really lean either way too much, but the AR is an efficient killing machine that I still run on some suits. But then again, sometimes you can really feel the limitations of its range to other light weapons on a lot of maps. Really it might just need a variant with longer range but a reduced RoF I think.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8581	Posted - 2014.04.19 18:10:00 - [11] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Stop thinking so close minded At just needs a 10% damage buff when within 10-20m Also the burst and TAC need to be removed so we can have real balance and we can finally throw out the placeholder CR and RR. Then remove the Assault variant or the RR, CR and SCR. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8581	Posted - 2014.04.19 18:11:00 - [12] - Quote Tupni wrote: I'm not dedicated enough to the AR to really lean either way too much, but the AR is an efficient killing machine that I still run on some suits. But then again, sometimes you can really feel the limitations of its range to other light weapons on a lot of maps. Just use an ACR. Better in every way, more range, more DPS, faster reload, tighter hipfire, etc'. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6939	Posted - 2014.04.19 18:12:00 - [13] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...? CQC Performance should look like this: AR > CR > SCR > RR Simply because range looks like this: RR > SCR > CR > AR Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1422	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:21:00 - [14] - Quote NO the TTK is finally decent (maybe still a hair too short). We don't need power creep. The CR (RR too) could use a small nerf, and shields could use a small buff so shield bonused weapons are more appealing. Best PvE idea ever!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2905	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:23:00 - [15] - Quote I think the gallente assault should get a ROF bonus. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5129	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:32:00 - [16] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...? Not better than the AR.Considering it has BETTER RANGE making it Qualify as a Med Range weapon.... The fact ACR and CR are abused in Close range is not because its amazing hip fire not Fitting cost , etc... its because of its Insane RoF which makes MISSING some bullets negligible. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 939	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:37:00 - [17] - Quote My Exile has served me well on my STD Gal command suits. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6958	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:41:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...? Not better than the AR.Considering it has BETTER RANGE making it Qualify as a Med Range weapon.... The fact ACR and CR are abused in Close range is not because its amazing hip fire not Fitting cost , etc... its because of its Insane RoF which makes MISSING any amount bullets irrelevant. Fixed Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 299	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:47:00 - [19] - Quote No. "Fix" the combat riffle so its not more powerful than the AR. Like Pyrex, im done with the buff nerf culture.... The new commandos should have a better paint job. Look at the Amarr one! Please bring back the Warbage! MTACs?
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 579	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:47:00 - [20] - Quote standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it Rolling with the punches

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12411	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:53:00 - [21] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it I genuinely can't believe CCP nerfed the breach in 1.8. Without any nerfing at all, it would have been the lowest DPS rifle of all of them, despite its low range and RoF. Now, it's a contender for lowest DPS weapon full stop. A flaylock can compete with it. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
KING CHECKMATE Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5131	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:55:00 - [22] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it The Breach Variant is GOD mode next to the Burst Variant..... Heh,i bet y'all forgot about that one too.... Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
LittleCuteBunny 421	Posted - 2014.04.19 21:57:00 - [23] - Quote Maybe increasing the RoF of the auto variant and adding the Balac to the marketplace with skill requirements of AR Proficiency LVL 4 Retired.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1409	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:00:00 - [24] - Quote I feel like a RoF buff (10% or so) would make the AR a useful weapon. It wouldn't make it OP as it would still lack the range or alpha damge of other weapons. Really the comparison should look like this. Range and per shot damage: RR>SCR>CR>AR DPS AR>CR>SCR>RR If CCP simply retuned the stats of all the weapons changing 10% per step (so the RR would have 10% more damage and range per shot than the SCR but 10% less DPS due to RoF) than we would have a pretty balanced set of weapons; all of which would have their own role and use but none of which would be king of the rifle hill. Fun > Realism
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 579	Posted - 2014.04.19 22:03:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it The Breach Variant is GOD mode next to the Burst Variant..... Heh,i bet y'all forgot about that one too.... yeah gotta admit the burst is pretty pointless. wouldn't mind the poor range if it actually damaged suits but witht he flat damage mod nerf and the proficiency nerf it really hurt the breach and burst. i think proficiency should be a split bonus similar to sentinel suits so 3% per level primary damage (shield or armor). 1% per level Secondary damage (opposite) so ARs woudl get 3% per level to shield damage but also a small damage buff to hittign armor as well. would make sense seeing as the ammo has various damage (kin/therm, em/therm explosive/kin, therm/kin) Rolling with the punches
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2857	Posted - 2014.04.19 23:24:00 - [26] - Quote thesupertman wrote: No. "Fix" the combat riffle so its not more powerful than the AR. Like Pyrex, im done with the buff nerf culture.... wont work cause then people would just go back using the rail rifle over everything else. And the AR would still be crap. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 90	Posted - 2014.04.20 00:04:00 - [27] - Quote Ccp should bring back the AR officer weapons and then we'll see the fourms and people saying nerf the AR because its OP. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2475	Posted - 2014.04.20 00:46:00 - [28] - Quote You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense...
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1409	Posted - 2014.04.20 00:47:00 - [29] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Ccp should bring back the AR officer weapons and then we'll see the fourms and people saying nerf the AR because its OP. What do you mean bring back? They never went away. I got a pack of Balac's just the other day. Fun > Realism
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2859	Posted - 2014.04.20 00:52:00 - [30] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... What the AR wouldnt be be less ammo efficent cause the damage stays where its at just with the slight change to the rate of fire. Simple put: -gun does same damage but shots faster. Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.

Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 580	Posted - 2014.04.20 02:26:00 - [31] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Ccp should bring back the AR officer weapons and then we'll see the fourms and people saying nerf the AR because its OP. What do you mean bring back? They never went away. I got a pack of Balac's just the other day. yeah they just killed the drop rate of officer weapons to next to nothing. god i used to love gettign drops of 10 each time Rolling with the punches
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 455	Posted - 2014.04.20 02:29:00 - [32] - Quote Yes, AR needs a ROF increase. Return it to the glorious days of before 1.7/ and I shall be a much happier merc once again (Cat Merc will also). Even if the range is still reduced, I'll take the damage increase to at least make it king at CQC like it should be. Right now except in certain situations, it's not even all that usable. Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5143	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:09:00 - [33] - Quote thesupertman wrote: No. "Fix" the combat riffle so its not more powerful than the AR. Like Pyrex, im done with the buff nerf culture.... Yet, you suggest a nerf. Stop pretending to be enlightened, nerfs and buffs are necessary, especially when the developer keeps on making silly balancing mistakes. I'd argue though that more buffs are generally better than more nerfs. Taco Cat backwards is still Taco Cat a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2794	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:56:00 - [34] - Quote Assault suits, as a whole, should get a ROF bonus to the racial suits. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2794	Posted - 2014.04.20 03:57:00 - [35] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... I'll definitely be for a damage increase weRideNDie2getha since 2010
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2476	Posted - 2014.04.20 04:09:00 - [36] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... What the AR wouldnt be be less ammo efficent cause the damage stays where its at just with the slight change to the rate of fire. Simple put: -gun does same damage but shots faster. Runs out of ammo faster too. A straight damage increase with the same RoF gives you more DPC. A very important stat when confronting multiple suits in CQC. A straight damage increase would make more sense for the high damage and close range of the AR. Projectiles are more high dps, great profile, but not as ammo efficient. That is what it should be at least. However... imo they need about a 10-15% RoF increase and a damage decrease to bring them to similar dps. Making them run out of ammo quickly, giving weapons like the combat rifle a drawback (which it doesnt really have atm, its just straight overpowered).
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8601	Posted - 2014.04.20 06:41:00 - [37] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... I will be more than happy with less ammo efficiency if it means I get the chainsaw effect on my AR. The thing with high ROF weaponry is, it creates a wall of bullets that's behaves kind of like an innaccurate laser, when you swipe over an enemy with your crosshairs, you do quite a bit of damage without actually keeping your sights on them, that's hugely powerful in CQC. The chainsaw effect happens at around 900 RPM, and it's one of the reasons the ACR is so amazing. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8601	Posted - 2014.04.20 06:52:00 - [38] - Quote I would also like to point out that the AR requires you to be at around 40m~ to be effective. You know what other weapon works at that range? HMG At 40m an HMG can take you out fairly quickly, and at 35m-30m it can SLAUGHTER YOU. That is why I think the AR needs more power rather than just nerfing the other rifles, the AR is on a knife edge where it has to get close enough to kill people, but GTFO the moment an HMG user appears. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 724	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:47:00 - [39] - Quote I say put a scope on the breach and increase rate of fire by 80 and range by 3 meters. I like rof increase for ar but my question is this: what the hell would the balacs stats be if the duvolle took its old stats? A scope on the gek would be amazing. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Funkmaster Whale Ancient Exiles. 1894	Posted - 2014.04.20 07:52:00 - [40] - Quote As of 1.7 and 1.8 I've been using the CR as my pretty much go-to weapon for almost any scenario. I have close to 4m SP spent in ARs and I have yet to really use them after doing a comparison test between the Duvolle and Boundless. Damage profiles for particular weapon types such as Laser, Explosive, and Projectile are a little bit problematic right now. In my opinion, Laser and Explosive are too skewed in either direction as far as damaging shield vs armor. Laser/Explosive are +20% / -20% or -20% / +20%, respectively. As far as scaling goes, this puts a lot of weapon types into these situations where you're essentially rolling the dice hoping the enemy favors your particular damage type. I understand DUST is all about that, but if these were brought a little closer to the middle to be, for example, +15% / -15% and so on, it would help even out the weapons a bit without really disturbing them drastically. Secondly, Projectile right now is a little too good. It has the highest net percentage as far as damage goes in that it's -5% / +10% vs Shield / Armor meaning it has a +5% net versus all the other damage types. When you also start to consider the overall meta of the game generally favors really high amounts of armor versus shield this trend appears where projectile damage is basically your best bet as far as damage types. To put it simply, Projectile is sort of like a 66% chance of winning versus 50% with all the other damage types. It simply offers the best overall practical damage type. Compound this now with the fact that weapons like the CR and SMG are some of the highest DPS, easiest to fit, and best range weapons. Statistically, the CR / SMG are the best weapons the game has to offer because you'll never be put in a situation where either weapon is really detrimental. Even at -5% damage, the CR can still tear through a shield with its crazy DPS. You're then through shields but still got armor to go through? No problem, the SMG is also Projectile and gets +10% damage as well as up to +15% from proficiency. Your armor is cut through like butter. Let me play you the song of my people!

Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 878	Posted - 2014.04.20 08:20:00 - [41] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Yeah the AR is pretty much outclassed by the CR in almost every aspect right now. The CR has more range, more DPS, better damage profile, and is way easier to fit. AR definitely needs some lovin. Don't forget the CR gets a bonus to armor and a less-penalty than all the other rifles. Highest ROF, bonus damage to armor, longer optimal than the AR--the ACR is really just better in nearly every respect. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8605	Posted - 2014.04.20 08:37:00 - [42] - Quote And faster reload and hip fire. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3508	Posted - 2014.04.20 08:39:00 - [43] - Quote AR needs a buff to damage and a nerf to accuracy. Particularly aim down sights accuracy. RoF buff is just going to make it more effective at range, because RoF gains ignore the falloff system. Blasters are short range so that does not fit in with its intended usage.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1331	Posted - 2014.04.20 09:16:00 - [44] - Quote I would rather like to see the CR and RR getting slight nerfs. we dont need weapon buffs, weapons already deal enough damage. a MLT AR can down brick tanked medium proto suits in 2 seconds.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8608	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:44:00 - [45] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: AR needs a buff to damage and a nerf to accuracy. Particularly aim down sights accuracy. RoF buff is just going to make it more effective at range, because RoF gains ignore the falloff system. Blasters are short range so that does not fit in with its intended usage. You do understand that in the end the DPS will be the same right? 10% to ROF and 10% to damage will have the same effect for effectiveness over range. Besides, higher ROF will increase the kick, try to use the Balac and you will see what I mean. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8608	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:45:00 - [46] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: I would rather like to see the CR and RR getting slight nerfs. we dont need weapon buffs, weapons already deal enough damage. a MLT AR can down brick tanked medium proto suits in 2 seconds. 2 seconds That's actually a long time to down someone. I think the other rifles are in a good state, but the AR needs a buff, at the ranges it operates at (or any range for that matter) it's not competitive with any weapon. (With the exception of things like the Flalyock and PLC) If it's going to be limited to HMG-like ranges, it needs more DPS. Not HMG level DPS, but more than it has right now. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2588	Posted - 2014.04.20 12:57:00 - [47] - Quote No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8611	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:21:00 - [48] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. 3 shots a second would put it at 930 RPM. Balac has 857.14. Also, TTK is nice with the other rifles, the AR is actually one of the lowest, despite it having the lowest range. If an AR user gets close to you, and you have one of the other rifles, you have no right to cry about it having higher DPS. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8611	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:24:00 - [49] - Quote Balac has 494.9 DPS Current Duvolle has 412.5 Considering the CR has 600~ DPS, I don't see how that's game breaking. ESPECIALLY since the AR is the lowest range rifle, operating at ranges closer to HMG, putting it at more risk. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 789	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:30:00 - [50] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... I will be more than happy with less ammo efficiency if it means I get the chainsaw effect on my AR. The thing with high ROF weaponry is, it creates a wall of bullets that's behaves kind of like an innaccurate laser, when you swipe over an enemy with your crosshairs, you do quite a bit of damage without actually keeping your sights on them, that's hugely powerful in CQC. The chainsaw effect happens at around 900 RPM, and it's one of the reasons the HMG and ACR are so amazing. Disagree. It's primarily that stupid slow down effect when shot at, which makes them really effective Running pure shield tanked Caldari 'cuz me a hippy

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8611	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:33:00 - [51] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Cat Merc wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... I will be more than happy with less ammo efficiency if it means I get the chainsaw effect on my AR. The thing with high ROF weaponry is, it creates a wall of bullets that's behaves kind of like an innaccurate laser, when you swipe over an enemy with your crosshairs, you do quite a bit of damage without actually keeping your sights on them, that's hugely powerful in CQC. The chainsaw effect happens at around 900 RPM, and it's one of the reasons the HMG and ACR are so amazing. Disagree. It's primarily that stupid slow down effect when shot at, which makes them really effective Disagree? You can't disagree, this is true, it's a real effect that you can observe. It happens in BF4 too, that's the main reason to use a high ROF weapon like the MTAR or FAMAS, they have an insane fire rate that allows you to just swipe over the enemy and kill them off, which makes them amazing for CQC combat. The speed reduction just makes it so that once you're hit with the chainsaw effect, you can't move. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 401	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:57:00 - [52] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... This a small damage increase because of the range it has. it should have the highest DPS of all the rifles but not by a huge margin. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8611	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:00:00 - [53] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... This a small damage increase because of the range it has. it should have the highest DPS of all the rifles but not by a huge margin. 470-490 is where I want to see it. Fair trade for having the lowest range, and having the worst hip fire spread from any of the rifles. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12468	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:15:00 - [54] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. Oh no, nearly 500 DPS for the shortest ranged rifle! Of course, it's perfectly fine for a combat rifle to have significantly more than that at a longer range. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7024	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:18:00 - [55] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. Oh no, nearly 500 DPS for the shortest ranged rifle! Of course, it's perfectly fine for a combat rifle to have significantly more than that at a longer range. But.. It's not okay. That's why he wants to nerf the other rifles by 1HP per shot. Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS] [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12472	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:21:00 - [56] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. Oh no, nearly 500 DPS for the shortest ranged rifle! Of course, it's perfectly fine for a combat rifle to have significantly more than that at a longer range. But.. It's not okay. That's why he wants to nerf the other rifles by 1HP per shot. The combat rifle would still have over 500 DPS. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8612	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:22:00 - [57] - Quote Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. Oh no, nearly 500 DPS for the shortest ranged rifle! Of course, it's perfectly fine for a combat rifle to have significantly more than that at a longer range. But.. It's not okay. That's why he wants to nerf the other rifles by 1HP per shot. Here are the downsides: 1. They would still be superior to AR 2. Heavies which are already absurd are going to be even harder to take down 3. AR doesn't get any help against heavies, and it NEEDS IT, using an AR when HMG heavies are around is simply not an option, if the enemy spams heavies I either switch to another rifle, switch to a shotgun or switch to an HMG, AR < HMG Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8612	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:24:00 - [58] - Quote TTK with the other rifles is FINE, the AR feels weak, that's all. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:24:00 - [59] - Quote Close range weapons need to have high DPS but more dispersion. This way you have more dog in close range and less dmg in medium and long range. Medium range weapons need to have medium DPS less dispersion. Long range weapons need to have low DPS but no dispersion. Give the AR more RPM but adjust the dispersion.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8612	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:25:00 - [60] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Close range weapons need to have high DPS but more dispersion. This way you have more dmg in close range and less dmg in medium and long range. Medium range weapons need to have medium DPS less dispersion. Long range weapons need to have low DPS but no dispersion. Give the AR more RPM but adjust the dispersion. It's dispersion is already the highest of all the rifles. Sharpshooter + Gallente Assault V < RR/SCR/CR dispersion Overlord of all humans CAT MERC

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12477	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:26:00 - [61] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Close range weapons need to have high DPS but more dispersion. This way you have more dmg in close range and less dmg in medium and long range. Medium range weapons need to have medium DPS less dispersion. Long range weapons need to have low DPS but no dispersion. Give the AR more RPM but adjust the dispersion. You already have much less damage at range because the damage is forcibly reduced by a range mechanic. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2590	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:09:00 - [62] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Atiim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. Oh no, nearly 500 DPS for the shortest ranged rifle! Of course, it's perfectly fine for a combat rifle to have significantly more than that at a longer range. But.. It's not okay. That's why he wants to nerf the other rifles by 1HP per shot. The combat rifle would still have over 500 DPS. Please feel free to read my opinion on the standard combat rifle elsewhere. Nerfing the Assault Combat Rifle by 1HP per Shot, shaves 20HP of its DPS bit brings down to 380 at advanced level, the AR at advanced 397.8, so for a grand total of 6m extra range at optimal and 8m extra range at effective, it becomes balanced. Feel free to test it out on any other fully automatic rifle, you will be pleasantly surprised. As for the Standard Combat Rifle, please read the 'CR still OP' topic on my thoughts of balancing the CR without actually nerfing it's stats. Thank you and good evening. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2590	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:14:00 - [63] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. 3 shots a second would put it at 930 RPM. Balac has 857.14. Also, TTK is nice with the other rifles, the AR is actually one of the lowest, despite it having the lowest range. If an AR user gets close to you, and you have one of the other rifles, you have no right to cry about it having higher DPS. You have every right if that DPS is nearly 100 Damage more, unless you happen to be using a sniper rifle. I was comparing at advanced because it has the roundest number sets. And I said adding 3 rounds to the current ROF would be potentially game breaking. Consider my idea of nerfing every other rifle by an extra 1 dmg a shot, it will certainly balance combat rifles against it better, Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12478	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:20:00 - [64] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. 3 shots a second would put it at 930 RPM. Balac has 857.14. Also, TTK is nice with the other rifles, the AR is actually one of the lowest, despite it having the lowest range. If an AR user gets close to you, and you have one of the other rifles, you have no right to cry about it having higher DPS. You have every right if that DPS is nearly 100 Damage more, unless you happen to be using a sniper rifle. I was comparing at advanced because it has the roundest number sets. And I said adding 3 rounds to the current ROF would be potentially game breaking. Consider my idea of nerfing every other rifle by an extra 1 dmg a shot, it will certainly balance combat rifles against it better, No, it wouldn't. Combat rifles would still have well over 100 more DPS than plasma rifles despite having a much greater range. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8612	Posted - 2014.04.20 17:20:00 - [65] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. 3 shots a second would put it at 930 RPM. Balac has 857.14. Also, TTK is nice with the other rifles, the AR is actually one of the lowest, despite it having the lowest range. If an AR user gets close to you, and you have one of the other rifles, you have no right to cry about it having higher DPS. You have every right if that DPS is nearly 100 Damage more, unless you happen to be using a sniper rifle. I was comparing at advanced because it has the roundest number sets. And I said adding 3 rounds to the current ROF would be potentially game breaking. Consider my idea of nerfing every other rifle by an extra 1 dmg a shot, it will certainly balance combat rifles against it better, No, no it wouldn't. Forget about assault variants of the rifles for a second, look at the base rifles. AR is SOOOO much inferior it's not even funny. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2590	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:04:00 - [66] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. 3 shots a second would put it at 930 RPM. Balac has 857.14. Also, TTK is nice with the other rifles, the AR is actually one of the lowest, despite it having the lowest range. If an AR user gets close to you, and you have one of the other rifles, you have no right to cry about it having higher DPS. You have every right if that DPS is nearly 100 Damage more, unless you happen to be using a sniper rifle. I was comparing at advanced because it has the roundest number sets. And I said adding 3 rounds to the current ROF would be potentially game breaking. Consider my idea of nerfing every other rifle by an extra 1 dmg a shot, it will certainly balance combat rifles against it better, No, it wouldn't. Combat rifles would still have well over 100 more DPS than plasma rifles despite having a much greater range. Nice off you to ignore my other post then! Since it's obviously too much bother for you, the proble with the Combat Rifle is the abuse of its burst fire, like so many weapons before it, if, you can tap fire fast enough you can 'purposefully' break tne weapon, overclock it if you will. At Advanced level a Combat Rifle will achieve 540 DPS if fired at fully automatic, which is ridiculous, on this much we can agree. This however is not a problem with the weapon per se, its the mechanics surrounding the weapon. Now at advanced the AR achieves 394 DPS, which is equivalent to 14.5 CR rounds, as such you limit the CR to 4 3-round bursts a second, giving 324 DPS, 70 lower than the AR, without breaking either weapon or really even effecting the majority of CR users who can't reach the 6 bursts a second required to break the weapon. The Combat Rifle isn't overpowered its just being abused by the tryhard section of the playerbase. Think back to the TACAR, its the same again, or the normal AR being bursted so fast it gave continous fire without any recoil. Or the melee glitch that made you punch like a machine gun. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8625	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:54:00 - [67] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No just drop all other rifles by 1 dmg a Shot. TTK is nice at the moment buffing the AR will just start us down a slippery slope back to te the 1.4 TTK Also the AR rate of fire 'feels' about right, not to mention increase the ROF by 3 shots a second adds a game breaking 90 DPS to the weapon. That's nearly 500 at advanced again. 3 shots a second would put it at 930 RPM. Balac has 857.14. Also, TTK is nice with the other rifles, the AR is actually one of the lowest, despite it having the lowest range. If an AR user gets close to you, and you have one of the other rifles, you have no right to cry about it having higher DPS. You have every right if that DPS is nearly 100 Damage more, unless you happen to be using a sniper rifle. I was comparing at advanced because it has the roundest number sets. And I said adding 3 rounds to the current ROF would be potentially game breaking. Consider my idea of nerfing every other rifle by an extra 1 dmg a shot, it will certainly balance combat rifles against it better, No, it wouldn't. Combat rifles would still have well over 100 more DPS than plasma rifles despite having a much greater range. Nice off you to ignore my other post then! Since it's obviously too much bother for you, the proble with the Combat Rifle is the abuse of its burst fire, like so many weapons before it, if, you can tap fire fast enough you can 'purposefully' break tne weapon, overclock it if you will. At Advanced level a Combat Rifle will achieve 540 DPS if fired at fully automatic, which is ridiculous, on this much we can agree. This however is not a problem with the weapon per se, its the mechanics surrounding the weapon. Now at advanced the AR achieves 394 DPS, which is equivalent to 14.5 CR rounds, as such you limit the CR to 4 3-round bursts a second, giving 324 DPS, 70 lower than the AR, without breaking either weapon or really even effecting the majority of CR users who can't reach the 6 bursts a second required to break the weapon. The Combat Rifle isn't overpowered its just being abused by the tryhard section of the playerbase. Think back to the TACAR, its the same again, or the normal AR being bursted so fast it gave continous fire without any recoil. Or the melee glitch that made you punch like a machine gun. 324 DPS? Are you insane? Do you want an Allotek Burst Rifle all over again? Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 238	Posted - 2014.04.21 06:10:00 - [68] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Match the Balac's rate of fire. Observe that. Make changes. A duvolle with a balac's ROF will put it at 471.4 DPS. Puts it a little more DPS than the six kin ACR. I think they should increase the damage a bit. Director of NAO "People are always telling me how lucky I am. But the truth is, everything I touch turns to shit"
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1515	Posted - 2014.04.21 12:41:00 - [69] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Currently the AR is the least effective rifle (gallente) and is in terms of rate of fire between the assault scrambler rifle and the combat rifle. However its range is the biggest issue and the allmost identical DPS with the combat rifle so the only natural thing is that people use the combat rifle (and lower fitting cost too). So in my opinion the rate of fire should be buffed from 750 up to 850~900 rounds per minute. It would justifiy the higher fitting cost over the combat rifle and gain the close range advantage over all other weapon systems. It would still be horrible on long range but at least the weapon has a purpose to exist. Just give it a scope or Red Dot sight... Most players will be using it all day and we will once again see AR is OP threads


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