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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:06:00 -
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Currently the AR is the least effective rifle (gallente) and is in terms of rate of fire between the assault scrambler rifle and the combat rifle. However its range is the biggest issue and the allmost identical DPS with the combat rifle so the only natural thing is that people use the combat rifle (and lower fitting cost too). So in my opinion the rate of fire should be buffed from 750 up to 850~900 rounds per minute. It would justifiy the higher fitting cost over the combat rifle and gain the close range advantage over all other weapon systems. It would still be horrible on long range but at least the weapon has a purpose to exist.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:25:00 -
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I think they should just copy the stats of the Balac onto the Duvolle.
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Musta Tornius
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:28:00 -
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It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg).
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Cyrius Li-Moody
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:31:00 -
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Match the Balac's rate of fire. Observe that. Make changes. A duvolle with a balac's ROF will put it at 471.4 DPS. Puts it a little more DPS than the six kin ACR.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:35:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg).
Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...?
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:46:00 -
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Yeah the AR is pretty much outclassed by the CR in almost every aspect right now. The CR has more range, more DPS, better damage profile, and is way easier to fit.
AR definitely needs some lovin.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:51:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I think they should just copy the stats of the Balac onto the Duvolle.
That could be a bit too much but givin the AR the rof of a balac seems fine (and needed). I tested the AR the last days...and ist terrible there is really no reason to use it. But I have to admitt I used only std and adv AR's but compared to the RR/CR/SR and ASCRACR these are really in bad place :( |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:52:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...?
Why? The CR is eant to be short to medium Range it makes no sense that it outclasses the weapon that is meant for CQC... |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:53:00 -
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Stop thinking so close minded
At just needs a 10% damage buff when within 10-20m
Also the burst and TAC need to be removed so we can have real balance and we can finally throw out the placeholder CR and RR. |
Tupni
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 18:09:00 -
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I'm not dedicated enough to the AR to really lean either way too much, but the AR is an efficient killing machine that I still run on some suits. But then again, sometimes you can really feel the limitations of its range to other light weapons on a lot of maps.
Really it might just need a variant with longer range but a reduced RoF I think. |
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 18:10:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Stop thinking so close minded
At just needs a 10% damage buff when within 10-20m
Also the burst and TAC need to be removed so we can have real balance and we can finally throw out the placeholder CR and RR.
Then remove the Assault variant or the RR, CR and SCR.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 18:11:00 -
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Tupni wrote:I'm not dedicated enough to the AR to really lean either way too much, but the AR is an efficient killing machine that I still run on some suits. But then again, sometimes you can really feel the limitations of its range to other light weapons on a lot of maps.
Just use an ACR.
Better in every way, more range, more DPS, faster reload, tighter hipfire, etc'.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 18:12:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...?
CQC Performance should look like this:
AR > CR > SCR > RR
Simply because range looks like this:
RR > SCR > CR > AR
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Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:21:00 -
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NO the TTK is finally decent (maybe still a hair too short). We don't need power creep. The CR (RR too) could use a small nerf, and shields could use a small buff so shield bonused weapons are more appealing.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:23:00 -
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I think the gallente assault should get a ROF bonus.
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:32:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...?
Not better than the AR.Considering it has BETTER RANGE making it Qualify as a Med Range weapon....
The fact ACR and CR are abused in Close range is not because its amazing hip fire not Fitting cost , etc... its because of its Insane RoF which makes MISSING some bullets negligible.
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:37:00 -
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My Exile has served me well on my STD Gal command suits.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you!
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:41:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bormir1r wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:It could definitely do with a small boost. It should be the king of CQC after all (bar the hmg). Shouldn't the Combat rifle be better in CQC too...? Not better than the AR.Considering it has BETTER RANGE making it Qualify as a Med Range weapon.... The fact ACR and CR are abused in Close range is not because its amazing hip fire not Fitting cost , etc... its because of its Insane RoF which makes MISSING any amount bullets irrelevant.
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:47:00 -
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No. "Fix" the combat riffle so its not more powerful than the AR.
Like Pyrex, im done with the buff nerf culture....
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:47:00 -
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standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:53:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it
I genuinely can't believe CCP nerfed the breach in 1.8.
Without any nerfing at all, it would have been the lowest DPS rifle of all of them, despite its low range and RoF.
Now, it's a contender for lowest DPS weapon full stop. A flaylock can compete with it.
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:55:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it
The Breach Variant is GOD mode next to the Burst Variant..... Heh,i bet y'all forgot about that one too....
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LittleCuteBunny
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:57:00 -
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Maybe increasing the RoF of the auto variant and adding the Balac to the marketplace with skill requirements of AR Proficiency LVL 4
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:00:00 -
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I feel like a RoF buff (10% or so) would make the AR a useful weapon. It wouldn't make it OP as it would still lack the range or alpha damge of other weapons.
Really the comparison should look like this.
Range and per shot damage:
RR>SCR>CR>AR
DPS
AR>CR>SCR>RR
If CCP simply retuned the stats of all the weapons changing 10% per step (so the RR would have 10% more damage and range per shot than the SCR but 10% less DPS due to RoF) than we would have a pretty balanced set of weapons; all of which would have their own role and use but none of which would be king of the rifle hill.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
426th Infantry
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Posted - 2014.04.19 22:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:standard AR isn't too bad but the Breach variant could really do with a bit of love. with the new gallente assault bonus its pretty much made for the creo breach... if the dps wasn't so bad a militia smg outguns it The Breach Variant is GOD mode next to the Burst Variant..... Heh,i bet y'all forgot about that one too....
yeah gotta admit the burst is pretty pointless. wouldn't mind the poor range if it actually damaged suits but witht he flat damage mod nerf and the proficiency nerf it really hurt the breach and burst. i think proficiency should be a split bonus similar to sentinel suits so
3% per level primary damage (shield or armor). 1% per level Secondary damage (opposite)
so ARs woudl get 3% per level to shield damage but also a small damage buff to hittign armor as well. would make sense seeing as the ammo has various damage (kin/therm, em/therm explosive/kin, therm/kin)
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.04.19 23:24:00 -
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thesupertman wrote:No. "Fix" the combat riffle so its not more powerful than the AR.
Like Pyrex, im done with the buff nerf culture....
wont work cause then people would just go back using the rail rifle over everything else. And the AR would still be crap.
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JIMvc2
UNREAL WARRIORS
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:04:00 -
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Ccp should bring back the AR officer weapons and then we'll see the fourms and people saying nerf the AR because its OP.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:46:00 -
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You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense... |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1409
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:47:00 -
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JIMvc2 wrote:
Ccp should bring back the AR officer weapons and then we'll see the fourms and people saying nerf the AR because its OP.
What do you mean bring back? They never went away. I got a pack of Balac's just the other day.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:52:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You really want the AR to be less ammo efficient? Seems like a damage increase would make more sense...
What the AR wouldnt be be less ammo efficent cause the damage stays where its at just with the slight change to the rate of fire. Simple put:
-gun does same damage but shots faster.
Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
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