DUST Search - Remove squads from pub matches.

m twiggz wrote:

Mass Holer wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

Atiim wrote:

So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping?

There's a better way.

This.

Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together.

The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game.

This is not true. I tend to run solo very often. Always with an unlocked squad in squad finder. It's not my fault newberries don't join my squad. Often times I even join other squads of newberries in the beginning of matches, most of the time they spend the first 5 minutes traversing terrain by foot then get gunned down within seconds of reaching anywhere near an objective.

The problem with newberries isn't just the NPE but also their general lack of FPS skills, IMO. If you are any good at any other FPS game Dust shouldn't be that difficult to pick up. Maybe a few weeks of learning map layouts, pinch points, typical player movement around maps, etc.

There is absolutely no reason to take squads out of public matches. It would strip this game of the little fun it has left.

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Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:04:00 - [1] - Quote Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP.
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 181	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:09:00 - [2] - Quote wat? Could you pour me a drink too? Where do you suggest people learn teamwork than, PC or FW? Where do you want people to learn the games from others via comms? GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1113	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:13:00 - [3] - Quote No need to remove squads, just need to implement more modes for us to use. MLT only, ADV only etc etc Allowing us to create matches with the rules we want to play by should take care of things. /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:13:00 - [4] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: wat? Could you pour me a drink too? Where do you suggest people learn teamwork than, PC or FW? Where do you want people to learn the games from others via comms? Some place other than pub matches, that's for sure. CCP just needs to implement some type of training ground or return corp battles. If you hadn't noticed the NPE is bad because newbies are pitted against well organized corp squads and are then steamrolled, not because they are pitted against 16 randoms of full proto.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 538	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:14:00 - [5] - Quote Is this a troll post? It must be a troll post. Please tell me this is a troll post.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6811	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:15:00 - [6] - Quote So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. Heaven's Lost Swarmer [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:15:00 - [7] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: No need to remove squads, just need to implement more modes for us to use. MLT only, ADV only etc etc Allowing us to create matches with the rules we want to play by should take care of things. /c Gear is only a small factor. A team of one full corp squad will almost always have the advantage over a team with no squad, even if that team was decked out in proto.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:18:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. At this point, there really is no better way if CCP wants to draw in new players and retain some of their old ones. Drastic changes need to be made.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3062	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:18:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:23:00 - [10] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game.

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3062	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:27:00 - [11] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game. And your point being????, absolutely nothing. Solo only mode is the closest you will get to being taken seriously on this. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users?
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2196	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:29:00 - [13] - Quote After being on these forums since launch I can honestly say that this is the worst suggestion to date. Do you really expect people to play a team-oriented "tactial" FPS alone? Why would anyone play this game alone? Without the banter of friends and the customary QQ about lag or someone killing you with a scrub tactic what are you left with? A sub-par lobby shooter for masorchists? Implement this and the playerbase will drop drastically in term of numbers.... Some people..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:31:00 - [14] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users? If organised then you'd die in groups. If random youy lose almost every 1 on 1 encounter for the whole match. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 540	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:32:00 - [15] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game. This is not true. I tend to run solo very often. Always with an unlocked squad in squad finder. It's not my fault newberries don't join my squad. Often times I even join other squads of newberries in the beginning of matches, most of the time they spend the first 5 minutes traversing terrain by foot then get gunned down within seconds of reaching anywhere near an objective. The problem with newberries isn't just the NPE but also their general lack of FPS skills, IMO. If you are any good at any other FPS game Dust shouldn't be that difficult to pick up. Maybe a few weeks of learning map layouts, pinch points, typical player movement around maps, etc. There is absolutely no reason to take squads out of public matches. It would strip this game of the little fun it has left.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6813	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:33:00 - [16] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users? None, because if the 16 randoms PRO gear and they're running them in PUBs, they most likely know what they're doing and your going to get stomped. How about just introducing matchmaking by SP and/or tiers (STD/ADV/PRO)? Cure the disease, not the symptoms. Heaven's Lost Swarmer [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:35:00 - [17] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Mass Holer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game. This is not true. I tend to run solo very often. Always with an unlocked squad in squad finder. It's not my fault newberries don't join my squad. Often times I even join other squads of newberries in the beginning of matches, most of the time they spend the first 5 minutes traversing terrain by foot then get gunned down within seconds of reaching anywhere near an objective. The problem with newberries isn't just the NPE but also their general lack of FPS skills, IMO. If you are any good at any other FPS game Dust shouldn't be that difficult to pick up. Maybe a few weeks of learning map layouts, pinch points, typical player movement around maps, etc. There is absolutely no reason to take squads out of public matches. It would strip this game of the little fun it has left. Its because its free to play so most of the new players now will be casually casual gamers, the kind who like farmville etc lol, then they get ruined because this free to play game isn't that casual. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:40:00 - [18] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users? As a new player once long ago what I did my first match was exactly as you stated. I ran solo and got my ass killed. Next match, did I join a squad? No. Instead what I did was saw somebody's name, laughed at it, and said "I'm sticking with you" and for the rest of the match tried to stay next to that guy. Hard because sometimes I died and sometimes he/she died, but that was the plan. Instantly did better. My point is, if you do not have a squad, it does not mean that you do not run like a squad. Even if CCP stupidly thought about removing squads from pub matches, it wouldn't matter because people naturally tend to move together and stick together. Some people, like myself, choose to do so because it increases chance of surviving longer. Not only that, but if you remove squads/squad work then you'd lose Logis real fast, you'd lost passive and active scanners real fast, you'd lose the AV guys real fast because one guy really can't go on a single tank any more. It would pretty much destroy all the CCP put in Dust and probably the future of the game itself. Are you being killed by squads a lot? Sure, but there are many ways of getting around it. Be smart, join a squad, work with other players, just explosives, advantage points, remove key members of enemy squads (passive scan scouts and logis)... think about how to better yourself and not how to damage the game. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:47:00 - [19] - Quote The only difference this would make is you'd get gangked by randpms rather than squads, you'd probably die quicker vs squads so enjoy that and here's the obligatory git gud htfu stfu lol. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 540	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:49:00 - [20] - Quote In all honestly do what we all did when we were new. Save SP for relevant skills, not throwing it around worthlessly. Find a group of friends to play with, or join a corp. Save up ISK. Get protosuit. Use protosuit against protosuits. If you still lose in your protosuit to their protosuit then this isn't the game for you. The majority of kids running around in proto in pub matches aren't that great. You'll run into some good squads now and again, but it's not a 24/7 occurrence. Most of those real good players don't need proto to kill you anyways, they use it for lulz and because they can.

BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 49	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:50:00 - [21] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: If you know about telefrag matches then I love you If we're thinking the same thing (unreal tournament) then it was a love/hate relationship. Sometimes it was really fun running around and teleporting into people to kill them, other times it was just stupid to see so many allies/enemies get killed in the meat grinder of a teleporter and have their guts and pieces explode out onto the rest of the map. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 49	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:51:00 - [22] - Quote m twiggz wrote: In all honestly do what we all did when we were new. Save SP for relevant skills, not throwing it around worthlessly. Find a group of friends to play with, or join a corp. Save up ISK. Get protosuit. Use protosuit against protosuits. If you still lose in your protosuit to their protosuit then this isn't the game for you. The majority of kids running around in proto in pub matches aren't that great. You'll run into some good squads now and again, but it's not a 24/7 occurrence. Most of those real good players don't need proto to kill you anyways, they use it for lulz and because they can. ME! ME! I love killing proto suits in my basic suit! Proto suits do not make the player, good skill does... and on occasion good connection/less lag does. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 15	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:59:00 - [23] - Quote "Teamwork is OP!" - Z13
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1037	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:05:00 - [24] - Quote Link "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro -2176440-
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1188	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:09:00 - [25] - Quote lol this is some cancer post right here hahaha im assuming OP gets pawned by coordinated squads since he isnt in a squad and so is butt hurt from dying to those squads, and now to justify his pain and suffering he wants all pub games to have no squads. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3064	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:14:00 - [26] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: lol this is some cancer post right here hahaha im assuming OP gets pawned by coordinated squads since he isnt in a squad and so is butt hurt from dying to those squads, and now to justify his pain and suffering he wants all pub games to have no squads. Most likely ambush as well because in skirmish or Dom you'd still get gangked at the objectives anyway. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:29:00 - [27] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. Yes it's HERE !!!! Its Finally HERE!!!! TEAMWORK and SQUADS are OP
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 9	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:34:00 - [28] - Quote It would go a long way if Matchmaking properly balanced squads. As it is now, when I run solo, at the start of any match I immediately pull up the scoreboard and, more often than not, I usually see a whole pile of the same corp names on the other team, and often no more than two on my team. So I usually quit and re-queue until the teams are a little more even. If Matchmaking did a better job of dividing the organized squads between the two teams, you'd have less "Protostomping" ( in this case I'm obviously using the term "Protostomping" loosely, to describe any situation where an organized group of experienced players is pitted against a team of unorganized, lesser-skilled players)
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1852	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:43:00 - [29] - Quote You all can't be taking this guy seriously, right? Mass Holer wrote: CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. lulz
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:40:00 - [30] - Quote Everyone here is stupid so you can suck it! My idea is best idea.



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