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Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:04:00 - [1] - Quote Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP.
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 181	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:09:00 - [2] - Quote wat? Could you pour me a drink too? Where do you suggest people learn teamwork than, PC or FW? Where do you want people to learn the games from others via comms? GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1113	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:13:00 - [3] - Quote No need to remove squads, just need to implement more modes for us to use. MLT only, ADV only etc etc Allowing us to create matches with the rules we want to play by should take care of things. /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:13:00 - [4] - Quote Wilhelm Klingspor wrote: wat? Could you pour me a drink too? Where do you suggest people learn teamwork than, PC or FW? Where do you want people to learn the games from others via comms? Some place other than pub matches, that's for sure. CCP just needs to implement some type of training ground or return corp battles. If you hadn't noticed the NPE is bad because newbies are pitted against well organized corp squads and are then steamrolled, not because they are pitted against 16 randoms of full proto.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 538	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:14:00 - [5] - Quote Is this a troll post? It must be a troll post. Please tell me this is a troll post.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6811	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:15:00 - [6] - Quote So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. Heaven's Lost Swarmer [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:15:00 - [7] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: No need to remove squads, just need to implement more modes for us to use. MLT only, ADV only etc etc Allowing us to create matches with the rules we want to play by should take care of things. /c Gear is only a small factor. A team of one full corp squad will almost always have the advantage over a team with no squad, even if that team was decked out in proto.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:18:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. At this point, there really is no better way if CCP wants to draw in new players and retain some of their old ones. Drastic changes need to be made.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3062	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:18:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:23:00 - [10] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game.

TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3062	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:27:00 - [11] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game. And your point being????, absolutely nothing. Solo only mode is the closest you will get to being taken seriously on this. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users?
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2196	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:29:00 - [13] - Quote After being on these forums since launch I can honestly say that this is the worst suggestion to date. Do you really expect people to play a team-oriented "tactial" FPS alone? Why would anyone play this game alone? Without the banter of friends and the customary QQ about lag or someone killing you with a scrub tactic what are you left with? A sub-par lobby shooter for masorchists? Implement this and the playerbase will drop drastically in term of numbers.... Some people..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:31:00 - [14] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users? If organised then you'd die in groups. If random youy lose almost every 1 on 1 encounter for the whole match. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 540	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:32:00 - [15] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game. This is not true. I tend to run solo very often. Always with an unlocked squad in squad finder. It's not my fault newberries don't join my squad. Often times I even join other squads of newberries in the beginning of matches, most of the time they spend the first 5 minutes traversing terrain by foot then get gunned down within seconds of reaching anywhere near an objective. The problem with newberries isn't just the NPE but also their general lack of FPS skills, IMO. If you are any good at any other FPS game Dust shouldn't be that difficult to pick up. Maybe a few weeks of learning map layouts, pinch points, typical player movement around maps, etc. There is absolutely no reason to take squads out of public matches. It would strip this game of the little fun it has left.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6813	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:33:00 - [16] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users? None, because if the 16 randoms PRO gear and they're running them in PUBs, they most likely know what they're doing and your going to get stomped. How about just introducing matchmaking by SP and/or tiers (STD/ADV/PRO)? Cure the disease, not the symptoms. Heaven's Lost Swarmer [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:35:00 - [17] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Mass Holer wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. This. Are you fking serious?, force people to play with the single minded run and gun trash?, I don't think so. Create a solo scrub mode where the idiots can all run around solo together. The idiots who run solo are comprised of nearly all new players and a good majority of those already well versed to the game. This is not true. I tend to run solo very often. Always with an unlocked squad in squad finder. It's not my fault newberries don't join my squad. Often times I even join other squads of newberries in the beginning of matches, most of the time they spend the first 5 minutes traversing terrain by foot then get gunned down within seconds of reaching anywhere near an objective. The problem with newberries isn't just the NPE but also their general lack of FPS skills, IMO. If you are any good at any other FPS game Dust shouldn't be that difficult to pick up. Maybe a few weeks of learning map layouts, pinch points, typical player movement around maps, etc. There is absolutely no reason to take squads out of public matches. It would strip this game of the little fun it has left. Its because its free to play so most of the new players now will be casually casual gamers, the kind who like farmville etc lol, then they get ruined because this free to play game isn't that casual. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:40:00 - [18] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Anyway, I'll leave with this question. If you were a new player, which option out of the two most adversely affects your playing experience? -Fighting against several organized corp squads in a single public match? -Fighting against 16 randoms of ADV and Proto users? As a new player once long ago what I did my first match was exactly as you stated. I ran solo and got my ass killed. Next match, did I join a squad? No. Instead what I did was saw somebody's name, laughed at it, and said "I'm sticking with you" and for the rest of the match tried to stay next to that guy. Hard because sometimes I died and sometimes he/she died, but that was the plan. Instantly did better. My point is, if you do not have a squad, it does not mean that you do not run like a squad. Even if CCP stupidly thought about removing squads from pub matches, it wouldn't matter because people naturally tend to move together and stick together. Some people, like myself, choose to do so because it increases chance of surviving longer. Not only that, but if you remove squads/squad work then you'd lose Logis real fast, you'd lost passive and active scanners real fast, you'd lose the AV guys real fast because one guy really can't go on a single tank any more. It would pretty much destroy all the CCP put in Dust and probably the future of the game itself. Are you being killed by squads a lot? Sure, but there are many ways of getting around it. Be smart, join a squad, work with other players, just explosives, advantage points, remove key members of enemy squads (passive scan scouts and logis)... think about how to better yourself and not how to damage the game. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3063	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:47:00 - [19] - Quote The only difference this would make is you'd get gangked by randpms rather than squads, you'd probably die quicker vs squads so enjoy that and here's the obligatory git gud htfu stfu lol. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 540	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:49:00 - [20] - Quote In all honestly do what we all did when we were new. Save SP for relevant skills, not throwing it around worthlessly. Find a group of friends to play with, or join a corp. Save up ISK. Get protosuit. Use protosuit against protosuits. If you still lose in your protosuit to their protosuit then this isn't the game for you. The majority of kids running around in proto in pub matches aren't that great. You'll run into some good squads now and again, but it's not a 24/7 occurrence. Most of those real good players don't need proto to kill you anyways, they use it for lulz and because they can.

BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 49	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:50:00 - [21] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: If you know about telefrag matches then I love you If we're thinking the same thing (unreal tournament) then it was a love/hate relationship. Sometimes it was really fun running around and teleporting into people to kill them, other times it was just stupid to see so many allies/enemies get killed in the meat grinder of a teleporter and have their guts and pieces explode out onto the rest of the map. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 49	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:51:00 - [22] - Quote m twiggz wrote: In all honestly do what we all did when we were new. Save SP for relevant skills, not throwing it around worthlessly. Find a group of friends to play with, or join a corp. Save up ISK. Get protosuit. Use protosuit against protosuits. If you still lose in your protosuit to their protosuit then this isn't the game for you. The majority of kids running around in proto in pub matches aren't that great. You'll run into some good squads now and again, but it's not a 24/7 occurrence. Most of those real good players don't need proto to kill you anyways, they use it for lulz and because they can. ME! ME! I love killing proto suits in my basic suit! Proto suits do not make the player, good skill does... and on occasion good connection/less lag does. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 15	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:59:00 - [23] - Quote "Teamwork is OP!" - Z13
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1037	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:05:00 - [24] - Quote Link "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro -2176440-
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1188	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:09:00 - [25] - Quote lol this is some cancer post right here hahaha im assuming OP gets pawned by coordinated squads since he isnt in a squad and so is butt hurt from dying to those squads, and now to justify his pain and suffering he wants all pub games to have no squads. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3064	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:14:00 - [26] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: lol this is some cancer post right here hahaha im assuming OP gets pawned by coordinated squads since he isnt in a squad and so is butt hurt from dying to those squads, and now to justify his pain and suffering he wants all pub games to have no squads. Most likely ambush as well because in skirmish or Dom you'd still get gangked at the objectives anyway. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:29:00 - [27] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. Yes it's HERE !!!! Its Finally HERE!!!! TEAMWORK and SQUADS are OP
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 9	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:34:00 - [28] - Quote It would go a long way if Matchmaking properly balanced squads. As it is now, when I run solo, at the start of any match I immediately pull up the scoreboard and, more often than not, I usually see a whole pile of the same corp names on the other team, and often no more than two on my team. So I usually quit and re-queue until the teams are a little more even. If Matchmaking did a better job of dividing the organized squads between the two teams, you'd have less "Protostomping" ( in this case I'm obviously using the term "Protostomping" loosely, to describe any situation where an organized group of experienced players is pitted against a team of unorganized, lesser-skilled players)
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1852	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:43:00 - [29] - Quote You all can't be taking this guy seriously, right? Mass Holer wrote: CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. lulz
Mass Holer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:40:00 - [30] - Quote Everyone here is stupid so you can suck it! My idea is best idea.

Patrick57 7036	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:42:00 - [31] - Quote A better answer would be to have a lone wolf game mode, and a squad game mode. This is just a bad idea... then people will have no way to just have a relaxing game with their friends. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3066	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:45:00 - [32] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: If you know about telefrag matches then I love you If we're thinking the same thing (unreal tournament) then it was a love/hate relationship. Sometimes it was really fun running around and teleporting into people to kill them, other times it was just stupid to see so many allies/enemies get killed in the meat grinder of a teleporter and have their guts and pieces explode out onto the rest of the map. It just depended who you played with, if you played in organised servers then it was a much higher level of play. Random servers were always a clusterfk. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 6823	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:54:00 - [33] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: You all can't be taking this guy seriously, right? Mass Holer wrote: CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. lulz We aren't. Most of us here are arguing for the simple sake of arguing. Heaven's Lost Swarmer [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3066	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:57:00 - [34] - Quote Reduce squad size to 1. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 299	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:59:00 - [35] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. You must joking because this is by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on the forums. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 400	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:04:00 - [36] - Quote Another dumb idea. Only reason i play this game so i can squad up with my friends. What are you guys smoking?
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 109	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:28:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. Lol someone in DNS is concerned that the playerbase is being denied something. Irony. The OP has a point. Squads have their place in FW or Planetary. Not in Public Contracts. KingBabar wrote: Without the banter of friends and the customary QQ about lag or someone killing you with a scrub tactic what are you left with? Implement this and the playerbase will drop drastically in term of numbers.... Whats wrong with having your banter in a more competitive mode? Why cant you take your ambitions to the next level, instead of taking them down the basic level? Progression instead of regression? i disagree. It would expand the player base, as it would make the casual oriented Public Contracts cater more to casual players, and thus, would improve player retention. My opinion: Squads ruin the NPE. Its all about having options. With the current setting, you have no options. I dont see why when you have 3 game modes, they all have to have the exact same team settings. FW are more focused and impact New Eden on a larger scale. Focused, localized teamwork is essential in those modes. Public Contracts is supposed to be "join, play a quick match". It for people who dont have the time, energy, or dedication to "get into" the game. Its supposed to be the entry level to the game. if people have fun in Public Contracts and want to invest more time into the game, then they can take it to the next level. The easiest way to tell if something is OP or broken is when the only counter for it is to do it too. In order for something to be balanced, it has to have a counter. Any skill discrepancies or balance issues are magnified and aggravated by squads in Public Contracts. Squads in Public Contracts only cater to the lowest common denominator; People who couldn't win 1vs1 fights so they go get 5 friends to help them fight 6vs1. Or people who no friends who hope the system forces people into their squads so they can have someone to talk to. Ive stubbornly refused to squad up because I refuse to be part of the problem. I am a mercenary, not some army grunt who wants to take orders and be subservient. i make my own fortunes. I can roll solo just fine and still be successful. But im also a former PC gamer with alot of FPS and F2P experience. Patience and determination are skills Ive learned over time. New players though, who are generally console FPS players? They dont have that kind of patience and determination. Everyone of my console friends Ive referred to this game has given up on it. They want to be able to just sign it, knock off an hour or two of play, and sign off. They dont want to spend time getting into a squad, listen to a bunch of teenagers brag about smoking weed, and then go on to play one sided games where you just sit around hoping the other team with less squads eventually leaves its red line. TL;DR: Squads hurt player retention, and if player retention is hit too hard, you wont have to worry about squads, cause there will be no game to have them in.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3067	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:38:00 - [38] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically deny nearly the entire playerbase from playing with their friends in a team based game simply to prevent pubstomping? There's a better way. Lol someone in DNS is concerned that the playerbase is being denied something. Irony. The OP has a point. Squads have their place in FW or Planetary. Not in Public Contracts. KingBabar wrote: Without the banter of friends and the customary QQ about lag or someone killing you with a scrub tactic what are you left with? Implement this and the playerbase will drop drastically in term of numbers.... Whats wrong with having your banter in a more competitive mode? Why cant you take your ambitions to the next level, instead of taking them down the basic level? Progression instead of regression? i disagree. It would expand the player base, as it would make the casual oriented Public Contracts cater more to casual players, and thus, would improve player retention. My opinion: Squads ruin the NPE. Its all about having options. With the current setting, you have no options. I dont see why when you have 3 game modes, they all have to have the exact same team settings. FW are more focused and impact New Eden on a larger scale. Focused, localized teamwork is essential in those modes. Public Contracts is supposed to be "join, play a quick match". It for people who dont have the time, energy, or dedication to "get into" the game. Its supposed to be the entry level to the game. if people have fun in Public Contracts and want to invest more time into the game, then they can take it to the next level. The easiest way to tell if something is OP or broken is when the only counter for it is to do it too. In order for something to be balanced, it has to have a counter. Any skill discrepancies or balance issues are magnified and aggravated by squads in Public Contracts. Squads in Public Contracts only cater to the lowest common denominator; People who couldn't win 1vs1 fights so they go get 5 friends to help them fight 6vs1. Or people who no friends who hope the system forces people into their squads so they can have someone to talk to. Ive stubbornly refused to squad up because I refuse to be part of the problem. I am a mercenary, not some army grunt who wants to take orders and be subservient. i make my own fortunes. I can roll solo just fine and still be successful. But im also a former PC gamer with alot of FPS and F2P experience. Patience and determination are skills Ive learned over time. New players though, who are generally console FPS players? They dont have that kind of patience and determination. Everyone of my console friends Ive referred to this game has given up on it. They want to be able to just sign it, knock off an hour or two of play, and sign off. They dont want to spend time getting into a squad, listen to a bunch of teenagers brag about smoking weed, and then go on to play one sided games where you just sit around hoping the other team with less squads eventually leaves its red line. TL;DR: Squads hurt player retention, and if player retention is hit too hard, you wont have to worry about squads, cause there will be no game to have them in. So then maybe they should go play bf or cod?. In what game that's focussed on teamwork and guilds/clans do you get people whining that its based on just that???????. Only in dust. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 379	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:49:00 - [39] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. better idea remove randoms from pub matchs. randoms should be reserved for the battle academy till they figure out how to turn push to talk off. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 142	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:01:00 - [40] - Quote Mass Holer wrote: Squads should be reserved for PC and FW, even if they are some times unplayable. Proto contributes less to stomping than organized squads. A squad of 6 corp mates with comms will 9 times out of 10 be more effective than a squad of 6 randoms. CCP, nerf teamwork. It's OP. OBJECTION! Everyone should be forced into one squad in pubs, with the highest SP player being captain. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo

Tiny Pineapple Army of 420's 57	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:01:00 - [41] - Quote I think squad should be reduced to 4. 6 people is too many and 16 players is evenly divisible by 4.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 109	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:02:00 - [42] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: So then maybe they should go play bf or cod?. In what game that's focussed on teamwork and guilds/clans do you get people whining that its based on just that???????. Only in dust. Well, the problem with that is if everyone followed your advice, you would end up with an empty game. Infact, the opposite should be the goal; This game should be trying to siphon off the players from BF or COD. If that means that the entry level gamemode has to be more tailored for their casual tastes then so be it. People need to go through entry level to see if they want to stick around to take it to the next level. DUST514 is not a charity. Its a profit seeking venture from a gaming company. They arent doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, they are doing it to make money. Consider just how saturated the FPS market is on the console. DUST is competing against all these other games for player share and revenue. To increase its chances and to give it an edge, they made it F2P but with micro transactions. A robust player base with high retention is the key to turning a profit in a F2P game. If they cant turn a reasonable profit because people like you told all their sources of revenue to take their money elsewhere, they will shut the game down. Its that simple. This is not EVE where you have players with subscriptions who have years worth of investments. DUST is young, and walking away from it is easy. As for teamwork, im not asking for a FFA mode with no teams. You would still be able to communicate with the 15 other players on your team. You would still be able to have squad level combat in FW and Planetary. if anything, restricting squads to FW and Planetary would actually breathe new life into those modes.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 912	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:05:00 - [43] - Quote Battle Arenas will solve most of everyone's issues. *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Rusty Shallows 1532	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:15:00 - [44] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Is this a troll post? It must be a troll post. Please tell me this is a troll post. The OPs last line is the first time I've seen the, "teamwork is OP," be used by someone not defending proto-stomps or Q-syncing. That set off my trolling alarm. What makes the idea so plausible is because of sorry state matchmaking has been since Chromosome and the situation has only gotten worse. Most (if not all) of us want squads and the match roster problems solved. So when a ludicrous solution for what appears to be an insurmountable problem is presented us thinkers are going to get hit with a logic error. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3067	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:23:00 - [45] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: So then maybe they should go play bf or cod?. In what game that's focussed on teamwork and guilds/clans do you get people whining that its based on just that???????. Only in dust. Well, the problem with that is if everyone followed your advice, you would end up with an empty game. Infact, the opposite should be the goal; This game should be trying to siphon off the players from BF or COD. If that means that the entry level gamemode has to be more tailored for their casual tastes then so be it. People need to go through entry level to see if they want to stick around to take it to the next level. DUST514 is not a charity. Its a profit seeking venture from a gaming company. They arent doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, they are doing it to make money. Consider just how saturated the FPS market is on the console. DUST is competing against all these other games for player share and revenue. To increase its chances and to give it an edge, they made it F2P but with micro transactions. A robust player base with high retention is the key to turning a profit in a F2P game. If they cant turn a reasonable profit because people like you told all their sources of revenue to take their money elsewhere, they will shut the game down. Its that simple. This is not EVE where you have players with subscriptions who have years worth of investments. DUST is young, and walking away from it is easy. As for teamwork, im not asking for a FFA mode with no teams. You would still be able to communicate with the 15 other players on your team. You would still be able to have squad level combat in FW and Planetary. if anything, restricting squads to FW and Planetary would actually breathe new life into those modes. You enjoy generalised hypes don't you. No it wouldn't, it'd just stop people playing with their corp mates, a solo only mode I can agree with but don't go saying options are important and then try to justify taking one away. You say options are important??, then a solo only game mode as an added option would work, not taking away the option to squad up. You also say that this is a business venture?. Well for starters, gratz on pointing out the obvious, everything is a business venture. I have spent over -ú1000 on this game since beta. Removing squads will not 'breathe life' into the game, it'll annoy the dedicated players who have built friendships in the game because they can't play with their buddies. The best way I believe is to extend the academy time and have a solo only gamne mode. That's one extra option and extra time in the academy. Or, we could remove squads from pubs because you know, options matter. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 572	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:26:00 - [46] - Quote Your an idiot go away closed beta Vet "The mashed up corpses of red Berrys make for great track lube"
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3067	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:27:00 - [47] - Quote And let's say hypothetically that a solo game mode existed. There'd just be QQ over mobs of proto stompers gangking rather than proto squads gangking. Let's go a step further and say we had this solo game mode AND no proto is allowed, it'd just be more QQ from mlt/std users about ADV users. Let's go all the way and say that only mlt is allowed in the solo only mode, it'd be fresh mlt scrubs whining about maxed passive skills. Sources - dust lol. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 3067	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:28:00 - [48] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Your an idiot go away Bit much credit there lol. If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you. The tritanium I sell is more relevant than dust has ever been.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1030	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:55:00 - [49] - Quote as terrible as the suggestion is, I believe this is the only thing CCP is capable of doing (they failed at actual balancing), so yeah, remove squads from pubs, I agree with this. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
HUNK tm What The French Red Whines. 324	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:07:00 - [50] - Quote Worst suggestion ever. Is it a troll ? I'm sure that if you had offered concert tickets for Justin Bieber you would have more likes. G£é----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pâ+(n+ÇGîÆ´pâí)pâÄ FIX THE FORGE

Toby Flenderson research lab 513	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:11:00 - [51] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: No need to remove squads, just need to implement more modes for us to use. MLT only, ADV only etc etc Allowing us to create matches with the rules we want to play by should take care of things. /c agree 100%


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