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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:47:00 -
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http://s8.multiplexgaming.com/downloads/PodsideEp196.mp3
Listen to him and ask yourself "Is this who I want to represent me?" He says he don't want the community, he doesn't want us to be able to play like we want, if you are not serving under him then you don't deserve to play in PC. This is bad for the game and if you are in DNS or a DNS corp then you are just his slave.
Do we want PC to be a tournament only place to play? I don't, I want PC to be a place where players have a chance to own something and he is trying to make PC into tournament only by taking 100% of districts. Members of DNS, you need to stand up to your raging overlord and change how PC is. I am not saying that it isn't fair that you own everything, I am saying that the members need to think about what he is saying and ask yourself if this is what is good for the game or what you want.
45:00 You have to join us to play in a tournament.
1:05:00 You are going to be a part of it or you change it.
1:15:00 We don't need TWL
1:28:00 F you we do what we want
1:43:00 PFC was a joke
1:46:20 I have more friends than Kane even knows
1:48:00 I want them all under me, I don't want community support, I don't want a tournament; I want a DNS tournament.
You DNS members need to think about what is going on and in what direction your leader is taking you in because you are going to end up playing the same people in that tournament you all want.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
5647
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:48:00 -
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I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:51:00 -
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Then enjoy fighting the same people and having no pride for having something for yourself.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:54:00 -
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I do what I want, if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2248
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:54:00 -
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PC is not a tournament league mode. It is a poorly implemented non-consensual PvP system (with timers).
Go back into your pod DNSBlack! Let CCP hotfix PC to generate good fights, and then fix the tournament mode in time (SoonGäó). |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:57:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything.
I can care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2845
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:58:00 -
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As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it.
Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest.
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 09:59:00 -
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I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:00:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couln't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk.
Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:08:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couldn't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk. Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything.
I care about the game, not who you work for.
There is no way to stop it because of ****** mechanics.
I just want to draw attention to what is happening and why.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:19:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couldn't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk. Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything. I care about the game, not who you work for. There is no way to stop it because of ****** mechanics. I just want to draw attention to what is happening and why.
There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
322
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:23:00 -
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So basically you have a manipulator, and a large following for whatever reason. Dns Black said he wants to run everything, he has convinced strong corps to do his work on the ground, as mercenaries this could be for several reasons. Money, popularity, "server first" props, etc. The reality of it is, what are all the malcontents going to do about it? No backroom meetings being held? No political activist starting an anti DNS revolution? All the money in all of dust and there's not 50-75 ppl who can head up with DNS consistently? I for one, don't care, I played pc and still don't care. At least he had the balls to admit flat out he wants a takeover so he can mold pc as he sees fit. Now that the info is out... who is going to stand up to the tide should be the question?
Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:25:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couldn't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk. Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything. I care about the game, not who you work for. There is no way to stop it because of ****** mechanics. I just want to draw attention to what is happening and why. There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS.
it is crap mechanics.
It also the community's fault but only having one battle per day per district at the defenders choosing and anyone can leave a battle and appear in the next battle instantaneously. It is just a borked up as locking districts. As I said, I just want to highlight what DNS is trying to do and they are doing it, no tears here, I want this community to stand up and do something about it instead of crying.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:27:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:So basically you have a manipulator, and a large following for whatever reason. Dns Black said he wants to run everything, he has convinced strong corps to do his work on the ground, as mercenaries this could be for several reasons. Money, popularity, "server first" props, etc. The reality of it is, what are all the malcontents going to do about it? No backroom meetings being held? No political activist starting an anti DNS revolution? All the money in all of dust and there's not 50-75 ppl who can head up with DNS consistently? I for one, don't care, I played pc and still don't care. At least he had the balls to admit flat out he wants a takeover so he can mold pc as he sees fit. Now that the info is out... who is going to stand up to the tide should be the question?
That is the question that I want people to ask, laying down and taking it isn't the way. I have said and will say good job for his work but his vision of what PC is and how it should and is working is complete junk.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Sum1ne Else
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:31:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
copy that
Its a liopleuradon Charlie a magical lioplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
409
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:37:00 -
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The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:43:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community.
That is the worst part, no one will act and if they do it is such a small number that they can't compete because they are fighting the best 16 players in the game who have unlimited funds. Mechanics and apathy are the two things that have made it this way, well that and players want to be on the "best" team so all the best justifiably join the same set of corps. So many corps are very small and filled with not the best players in the game.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3376
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:44:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couldn't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk. Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything. I care about the game, not who you work for. There is no way to stop it because of ****** mechanics. I just want to draw attention to what is happening and why. There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS.
What happened to EON was GTA5, not the communitys doing they all decided to wait till GTA5 dropped and EON went off the play that instead
R* was the last corp to hold districts in EON but after that add in PS4 and a few diff games EON just dissappeared |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:47:00 -
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I am just stirring the pot some and trying to get some emotions going. I tip my hat to all those players who are fighting in PC and the leaders who bring them together because it is hard work. I just want people to fight back to make it interesting and sitting here crying about it is not interested. I am not crying, like I said I am just trying to stir the pot and light some fires.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 10:51:00 -
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If you are good at what you do and want to fight back mail me in game and we can try to put something together but unless we have a good number of players it isn't going to work. We can change it anytime we want but we have to try. I will entertain any ideas but if we want to do it we have to go all in or get out. Fighting once or twice and saying it is not possible only empowers them more, we need serious players whom are fairly high skilled and it is possible but it will take time and a lot of suffering before we can do it.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2866
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:09:00 -
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Want to know why nobody is doing anything about DNS? Because no one cares anymore.
Nobody cares about PC because we all know it's broken and worthless and will get completely canned in a few months when PC2.0 comes along.
People are fed up with the same nonsense happening every few months in a crappy system with crappy mechanics and that's just the 5% of the playerbase that ever even cared a little bit about PC.
PC is not a game mode now - it's simply an isk printer.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
4247
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:11:00 -
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They're idiots, they can't think for themselves....
Alpha Response Command (ALREC)
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Apply today!
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Doctor Day
THE SUPERHEROS
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:11:00 -
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i just wanna stomp DNS & Nyian San :)
Space pest.
Obvious troll is Obvious
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Dirt Nap Squad.
554
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:32:00 -
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All I hear is...
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
52:47 "Too many people talking here"
Next time there is an interview, do it properly please. @everyone who was in it
No matter who is being interviewed on any subject, when you keep cutting someone off and not letting them finish then you miss out on the points they are trying to tell you and little is learned.
Future talks need a good mediator to make sure people aren't cutting each other off.
- holds out hand and a swarm of angry mutated salmon cornflakes appear * Attack my children attack!
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2257
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:02:00 -
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Drink the kool aid guys... |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2346
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:05:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:All I hear is...
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
52:47 "Too many people talking here"
Next time there is an interview, do it properly please. @everyone who was in it
No matter who is being interviewed on any subject, when you keep cutting someone off and not letting them finish then you miss out on the points they are trying to tell you and little is learned.
Future talks need a good mediator to make sure people aren't cutting each other off.
Are you serious? Black talks for almost two whole hours and very few others can get a word in.
I'll fix it for you
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when he is talking
Black cutting off (insert name) when she is talking
Until the end of the cast. Rants that last multiple minutes and are very loud and angry sounding.
The times I listed were highlights, listen to the entire three hours and then tell me who interrupts whom.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
499
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:14:00 -
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DNS are not really powerful enough in EVE to shape things so instead they play with and pick on the little kids in the playground - aka DUSTIES.
Its quite amusing if you know of these guys outside of the DUST-verse. That's not to say that this game does not need some real tweaks and bug fixes.
A lot of us who are 'on the fence' are honestly waiting to hear what is said at fanfest to decide DUST's fate. At least I am.
EDIT -
By the way, I remember last year in Anonymous when I had a more active role in PC, it was not just 5% of the playerbase that was involved. There were many many people involved in PC.
For Anonymous of course there was the A team, but many dudes were given a chance to get involved and DID SO. That goes for the old enemies too.
This lack of interest in PC is a more recent phenomena compared to DUST`s lifetime. Anyone who has even played just a few matches in PC over the months / years can back me up there. |
Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1436
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:34:00 -
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People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz.
Canari Elphus for CPM1
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1967
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:02:00 -
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Shiyou, Robot Devil, we had to interrupt DNSBlack. He just kept going on and on and on and on. And his level of rage went up the longer he was consistently allowed to speak. I think we did him a great service by cutting him off before he had a coronary.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2630
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:07:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz.
I don't think that's what's the issue here I think it's a core issue in the game... look at it from the IRL perspective, this is a person with connections to TWL trying to promote it through himself rather than having TWL work with CCP, the issue with him is he's trying to push an agenda with RL stuff involved...
How to Leave PC
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:25:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. I don't think that's what's the issue here I think it's a core issue in the game... look at it from the IRL perspective, this is a person with connections to TWL trying to promote it through himself rather than having TWL work with CCP, the issue with him is he's trying to push an agenda with RL stuff involved...
He is trying to push is vision of how a tournament should work inside the game by controlling 100% of the districts and only allowing people whom him and his underlings deem fit to play. Tournaments are all fine and dandy but they should be ran so that they represent DUST514 and its players not DNS and it's corps.
I am not saying that DNS shouldn't be able to hold the districts they hold because I admire their hard work and effort. I don't like his attitude, tone or way going about creating a tournament atmosphere. PC should be about players having a home not being a home for tournaments, again I don't have a problem with DNS owning 100% of the districts because in the long run it is the communities fault and bad PC mechanics that allow them to do so.
To me, he is disrespectful to us, the Podside crew and the lady from TeamWarefare League by not letting them speak and the volume and tone he had through out the entire episode. That is the reason I made this thread, no other reason. He can be cocky and brag about how good he is all day because in the end he has most of the top players in DUST fighting nobody, it isn't impressive to me at all that 20-30 people can fight a few 15 minute battles a day. When the game has 10-15K players on average logged on then I may be impressed.
In my opinion he made us all look like hot head crybabies to a person who only wants to help us enjoy out game to the fullest and if I had been her I would have told him to stick those districts back up to where ever he got them. I was literally embarrassed to be a part of DUST154 because of what he said and how he said it. Everyone on the show was interrupted multiple times while he splorked on for minute after minute about himself instead of highlighting problems, giving praise to hard workers in his alliance or proposing meaningful changes in a constructive manner.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2342
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:31:00 -
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seems like they run their league through ccp and skip dns and pc.
the argument kept coming up and black would interrupt and go off on a tangent repeatedly =/
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Death Shadow117
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
40
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:36:00 -
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just like everyone else just here for the isk
NOVA KNIVES WTF Are Those
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Death Shadow117
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
40
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:42:00 -
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i also think its funny ppl are complaining about us say theyll whoop our asses then come in and get raped
NOVA KNIVES WTF Are Those
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Gaurdian Satyr
Glitched Connection
106
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:44:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:So basically you have a manipulator, and a large following for whatever reason. Dns Black said he wants to run everything, he has convinced strong corps to do his work on the ground, as mercenaries this could be for several reasons. Money, popularity, "server first" props, etc. The reality of it is, what are all the malcontents going to do about it? No backroom meetings being held? No political activist starting an anti DNS revolution? All the money in all of dust and there's not 50-75 ppl who can head up with DNS consistently? I for one, don't care, I played pc and still don't care. At least he had the balls to admit flat out he wants a takeover so he can mold pc as he sees fit. Now that the info is out... who is going to stand up to the tide should be the question?
Ive talked with alot of people that dont get on the forums and they would love to be apart of the fight but they dont want to sell out to another corp to do so...they dont want to be Tso,dns, or any other alliance/corp to make a impact...they want to be them
-holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
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dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2762
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:48:00 -
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Whats all this tournament **** about?
Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart.
Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2263
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:59:00 -
[37] - Quote
dent 308 wrote:Whats all this tournament **** about?
5 vs 5 in a PC district is a great idea dent.. didn-¦t you get the newsletter? |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2763
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:05:00 -
[38] - Quote
This smells suspiciously like sports.
**** sports.
Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart.
Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
880
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:06:00 -
[39] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it.
Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest.
Steady... first you know that I have lot of respect for you.
I do not think you have the whole point with this... the way the mechanics are and the current imblalace in ISK has tilted the filed so far in favor of your end of the spectrum that it is an order of magnitude harder for the rest of the game community to actually disrupt the current state of PC than it was for you to take it under control.
It's very easy for folks in your seat to just say get good and make attack me. Most folks don't have the near endless wallet that would require. Also...as long as the mechanics of the game allow for a few dozen people to teleport instantly from one side of MH to another while they treat Dust like a part-time job and dominate that's not healthy either.
The concern with DNS Black is that he's a player that is taking away whole facets of the game from others. In EVE you can move from High Sec, Low Sec, and NulSec and Wormhole space. Here it's pubs, FW which most newer players can't afford, and PC which very few can afford. That is squeezing the whole player base in a way that isn't healthy for the game.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2763
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:08:00 -
[40] - Quote
Don't worry about DNS Black, once the election is over he will be gone.
Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart.
Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.
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CPL Bloodstone
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
276
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:10:00 -
[41] - Quote
Actually the only corp who really is fighting DNS is What the French. As much as id like to see them put to the guillotine, i have to respect them for the fight they put up both in dust and eve.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, "Your tactics SUCK!"
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
880
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:16:00 -
[42] - Quote
Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz.
Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good?
I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job.
From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
3515
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:31:00 -
[43] - Quote
I wonder what the isk income is...
The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game
Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2265
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:32:00 -
[44] - Quote
CPL Bloodstone wrote:Actually the only corp who really is fighting DNS is What the French. As much as id like to see them put to the guillotine, i have to respect them for the fight they put up both in dust and eve.
Top Men also beat DDB. Dont forget that. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1969
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:41:00 -
[45] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:Top Men also beat DDB. Dont forget that.
In fairness, we've gone 1/3 with them over the last week or so. But we still bloodied their noses a bit.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
320
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:54:00 -
[46] - Quote
Sum1ne Else wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
copy that
Seriously? You too, Sum1?
It really pains me to see people that I used to respect just throwing away everything that has been sacrificed to promote the future of Dust. I've invested my time and my money into Dust, everything I've done regarding this game has been an investment to help push it towards a better future. Now we have seasoned players completely disregarding what is better for the future, just so they can get more ISK. Yes, it was done completely legitimately, and I have no grounds to say it should be reversed, but it infuriates me that some can be so nonchalant about the negative impact that it has.
Regarding fighting back, it just isn't viable from any perspective. You can say that those outside of DNS should attack and take it back, but that is not viable or possible. With DNS's gigantic ISK well and 100% district control, it is impossible to take and hold any ground in MH. The current mechanics of PC make it a complete statistical impossibility, as any progress made or ground taken can be easily reversed and retaken. This is an indisputable fact, as dictated by game mechanics.
Fighting back through negotiation and inter-corp relations is also futile, as there is no commodity to use for bargaining. For corps in DNS, there is absolutely no better state to occupy. They receive large amounts of ISK and the occasional good fight, but with no risk involved. Going against the establishment would only present either greater risk, or lesser gain. There is absolutely no motivation to ever leave the current state of agreement. The only means for gain in a rebellion against the established system would be individual, likely through stealing a large sum of ISK and some players from one of the corporations. This would have little impact, as all the corporations involved have enough layers of security to prevent one individual from having an impact large enough to disrupt their standing, leaving the traitor with a lot of ISK and little power. |
Sum1ne Else
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
1093
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:58:00 -
[47] - Quote
Shutter Fly wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
copy that Seriously? You too, Sum1?
PM me in game, happy to chat in squad..
Its a liopleuradon Charlie a magical lioplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
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Appia Nappia
550
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:01:00 -
[48] - Quote
omg, his little joffrey-rage when he heard people wouldn't do exactly what he wanted.
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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Appia Nappia
550
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case.
Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth
Secretly Appia Vibbia
If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2369
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:32:00 -
[50] - Quote
They can be beat, I could lead the way with the right corps and funding but I don't think that the community is willing to invest the time, ISK or blood that would be required for us to take back a good bit of the districts. In my mind I say we could take back and hold around half of the districts, but with morale as it is and the speculation of a PC overhaul coming then I just don't think that we have it in us.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2266
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:37:00 -
[51] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:They can be beat, I could lead the way with the right corps and funding but I don't think that the community is willing to invest the time, ISK or blood that would be required for us to take back a good bit of the districts. In my mind I say we could take back and hold around half of the districts, but with morale as it is and the speculation of a PC overhaul coming then I just don't think that we have it in us.
Just wait for PC 2.0 reset, and laugh at the neckbeard's efforts when they cry about more districts being opened up, ISK being devalued and all districts resetting to neutral status.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2369
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
We can do it now but it will take 4-6 weeks and just don't think that most of us have the will power to do it.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2266
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 -
[53] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Top Men also beat DDB. Dont forget that. In fairness, we've gone 1/3 with them over the last week or so. But we still bloodied their noses a bit.
I'm just illustrating the chest thumping of "coach" DNSBlack. xD |
Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2633
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
KEQ's Alt Corp is the real corp leading DNS... look at it's name
How to Leave PC
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VonSpliff
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
143
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:04:00 -
[55] - Quote
I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me.
VonSpliff, Merc
Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel
"It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2372
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
VonSpliff wrote:I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me.
VonSpliff, Merc
Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel
Black said he as won DUST - with no acknowledgement to any corp working towards his vision - and that the end game is turning PC into a DNS tournament league, you don't even know why you are fighting or for who because you don't care and that is the problem. No one cares, if you want PC to be a tournament league so you can fight the same people over and over then be my guest and have fun.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
2271
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:14:00 -
[57] - Quote
VonSpliff wrote:I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me.
VonSpliff, Merc
Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel
Ok... Peasant
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2634
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:29:00 -
[58] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:VonSpliff wrote:I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me.
VonSpliff, Merc
Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel Black said he has won DUST - with no acknowledgement to any corp working towards his vision - and that the end game is turning PC into a DNS tournament league, you don't even know why you are fighting or for who because you don't care and that is the problem. No one cares, if you want PC to be a tournament league so you can fight the same people over and over then be my guest and have fun.
You don't know the truth, there's only one person in control... ContraBanJoe you know it is true, he controls DNS
Serious Note, Forum Warriors lacking Intel or DNS, as well as DNSBlack line members don't act like you know the truth
Intel Officers from in and out of DNS, (See Above)
Real Intel Officers/Freelance Spies You know a decent amount of the truth, but you don't see the large picture
Kain, (Various Spymasters/Intel Directors), (Those truly in the know there's 3 people included in this) You know what going to happen
How to Leave PC
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
884
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
^ spot on, Killar.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
884
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:46:00 -
[60] - Quote
Appia Nappia wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case. Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth
Appia, I don't mind (and expect) Canari to stick to DNS message even though it's obvious there are issues in all directions with PC. I think his tone and glancing attack on the Dust community writ large was the issue - particularly for someone that wants to be on the CPM.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
520
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:47:00 -
[61] - Quote
Killar-12 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:VonSpliff wrote:I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me.
VonSpliff, Merc
Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel Black said he has won DUST - with no acknowledgement to any corp working towards his vision - and that the end game is turning PC into a DNS tournament league, you don't even know why you are fighting or for who because you don't care and that is the problem. No one cares, if you want PC to be a tournament league so you can fight the same people over and over then be my guest and have fun. You don't know the truth, there's only one person in control... ContraBanJoe you know it is true, he controls DNS Serious Note, Forum Warriors lacking Intel or DNS, as well as DNSBlack line members don't act like you know the truth Intel Officers from in and out of DNS, (See Above) Real Intel Officers/Freelance Spies You know a decent amount of the truth, but you don't see the large picture Kain, (Various Spymasters/Intel Directors), (Those truly in the know there's 3 people included in this) You know what going to happen
The writing is now on the wall.
The crap part is that its translated from Mandarins to English using Icelandic phonetics 
Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
409
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:57:00 -
[62] - Quote
Flix Keptick wrote:I wonder what the isk income is...
Well, since you asked, for me it's around 10 million per week if I am active in PCs, most likely it's higher for some and lower for someone else. If I run pubs on my alts with cheap gear, I can make way more than 10 million per week, I can actually make way over 10 million per week just by being afk. And that 10 million pretty much always goes to my vehicles when I cap out for the week.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
521
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:01:00 -
[63] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I wonder what the isk income is... Well, since you asked, for me it's around 10 million per week if I am active in PCs, most likely it's higher for some and lower for someone else. If I run pubs on my alts with cheap gear, I can make way more than 10 million per week, I can actually make way over 10 million per week just by being afk. And that 10 million pretty much always goes to my vehicles when I cap out for the week.
Sounds like your bosses aren't paying you enough.
You should strike. 
Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
488
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:07:00 -
[64] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it.
Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest.
"Moaning about it" falls under the umbrella of communicating with others.
Because, that's why.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
409
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Soldner VonKuechle wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I wonder what the isk income is... Well, since you asked, for me it's around 10 million per week if I am active in PCs, most likely it's higher for some and lower for someone else. If I run pubs on my alts with cheap gear, I can make way more than 10 million per week, I can actually make way over 10 million per week just by being afk. And that 10 million pretty much always goes to my vehicles when I cap out for the week. Sounds like your bosses aren't paying you enough. You should strike.
Let's see I read somewhere that there's around 1300 Dusties in DNS (this could be way off, but let's assume it's not). Whole of DNS makes, what? Let's say 2B ISK per day. So 2.000.000.000 ISK dived by 1300 is around 1.5M ISK per day per merc. Pretty much comes to 10M per week, leaders take the share of those who don't attend and the rest goes to whatever expenses we have.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3390
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:20:00 -
[66] - Quote
Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:All I hear is...
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
cutting off Black when he is talking
52:47 "Too many people talking here"
Next time there is an interview, do it properly please. @everyone who was in it
No matter who is being interviewed on any subject, when you keep cutting someone off and not letting them finish then you miss out on the points they are trying to tell you and little is learned.
Future talks need a good mediator to make sure people aren't cutting each other off.
The other interviews he's done he's had to be muted because he won't shut up.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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Void Echo
Total Extinction
2417
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:23:00 -
[67] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me.
PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couldn't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk. Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything. I care about the game, not who you work for. There is no way to stop it because of ****** mechanics. I just want to draw attention to what is happening and why. There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS.
well, back in the EON war, there were several other major alliances that were fighting each other including Negative-Feedback, Cronos, Whatever alliance SVER was in at that time, EON, Team Players, Hellstorm Inc. and one other alliance that was first to fall.
notice anything different from then that does not apply to now?
1: During the EON war, there was more that a single superpower fighting fro supremacy and control. (Now almost all of the best players in this game's history are under several flags under a single banner, nobody can put up a fight against them as everyone is too weak to do so and there aren't enough assets).
2: Back then, the community actually cared about PC because it was new and looked promising to the players as a savior of the game. (Now almost nobody outside of the PC corps gives a **** about PC anymore because DNS keeps everyone out who cant put up a fight).
There are truly only a few of us who aren't afraid to go to war against them at an attempt to remove them, some of them are already in PC but are struggling to keep their districts from being taken over, me and a few others just don't have the resources to even get in PC.
Youtube
Closed Beta Vet
CEO: Total Extinction
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Scheherazade VII
404
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
TL;DR people are scared to play the game that they are playing so they added foam walls and put on their training wheels
and all rode around the playground and played happily.
Then they started inbreeding....
Why be scared of playing the entire purpose of the game!? |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3390
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:27:00 -
[69] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it.
Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest.
Steady... first you know that I have lot of respect for you. I do not think you have the whole point with this... the way the mechanics are and the current imblalace in ISK has tilted the filed so far in favor of your end of the spectrum that it is an order of magnitude harder for the rest of the game community to actually disrupt the current state of PC than it was for you to take it under control. It's very easy for folks in your seat to just say get good and make attack me. Most folks don't have the near endless wallet that would require. Also...as long as the mechanics of the game allow for a few dozen people to teleport instantly from one side of MH to another while they treat Dust like a part-time job and dominate that's not healthy either. The concern with DNS Black is that he's a player that is taking away whole facets of the game from others. In EVE you can move from High Sec, Low Sec, and NulSec and Wormhole space. Here it's pubs, FW which most newer players can't afford, and PC which very few can afford. That is squeezing the whole player base in a way that isn't healthy for the game.
This is pretty easy to see if you aren't "special". If taking districts from elite corps was practical they wouldn't have blue'd up. It's really that simple.
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
74
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The Robot Devil wrote:We can do it now but it will take 4-6 weeks and just don't think that most of us have the will power to do it.
I'd be down for the fight |
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Scheherazade VII
404
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:33:00 -
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at the end of the day selfish little kids will always ruin your fun,
that's my problem with online games it's like putting myself back out onto the playground.
greed overcomes all, in real life and in virtual reality.
some people don't care about others having fun they only care about themselves, well now that
you have nobody to fight is it really that fun generating ISK which you can't use other than
to stomp in pubs and diminish the player base?
IF anybody in DNS cared about the game they wouldn't be doing this, they don't care
for the future only how much they can ransack DUST for now, then they'll move on
and good riddance! |
Hansei Kaizen
The Jackson Five
142
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:58:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
copy that
May I ask, as someone who is just indirectly affected by this PC stuff, what do you do with that ISK?
I thought in PC you get sponsored by your corps ... why have ISK at all, it buys you nothing you wouldnt already get for free, doesnt it?
Just out of curiosity.
The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always.
NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Casual solo
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D34NOS MAZDA
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
458
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:01:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
copy that
I here for the people, ok i mean isk |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2386
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:19:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Appia Nappia wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case. Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth Appia, I don't mind (and expect) Canari to stick to DNS message even though it's obvious there are issues in all directions with PC. I think his tone and glancing attack on the Dust community writ large was the issue - particularly for someone that wants to be on the CPM.
I voted for him on the CSM but after hearing what he said and how he said it I wish I could take it back.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2386
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:38:00 -
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D34NOS MAZDA wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
copy that I here for the people, ok i mean isk
Just about the same thing if you think about it, we get paid for ears and noses.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
1
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:45:00 -
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Whew, couldn't listen to much of that. Sounds like a bunch of northerners who still need a ball or two to drop.
PC though is a bullsh*t epeen game mode that has nothng to do with the idea behind pvp competitive play as it is planned (and was supposed to already be) for connecting with EVE.
It is about the EVE resources. Until PC has that as its one and only basis it is stupid.
Also, allowing for complete dominance of something has nothing to do with a sandbox game. It is already ruining parts of EVE that are getting sat on by outside game groups. That further invalidates that part of the game to me. No use playing.
Sorry, I have a life. I don't need to grind a Second Life.
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2387
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Posted - 2014.04.16 18:51:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:We can do it now but it will take 4-6 weeks and just don't think that most of us have the will power to do it.
I'd be down for the fight
All I need is a lot of ISK, some good players willing to follow orders and time. It will/would suck really hard for a while but it can be done and I know how we would do it. Resolve and money. This problem is 1/3 our fault for not wanting to take the hard fight, 1/3 their fault for wanting the easy path and 1/3 CCP's fault for giving us a crappy mechanic to fight over and hold districts with. If I were a better diplomat I would be able to do it but my abrasive nature and rigidity makes me think that I couldn't pull it off. I am a great people person when face to face but over a keyboard or though a voice com my personality doesn't shine like in the real world.
I am good at few things and being right and predicting the future are some of them. Everyone I know says I am right 90+% of the time and usually end up calling me a pimp or genius by the end of the conversation. Everything comes around full circle and ten fold.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2389
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:08:00 -
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Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Whew, couldn't listen to much of that. Sounds like a bunch of northerners who still need a ball or two to drop.
PC though is a bullsh*t epeen game mode that has nothng to do with the idea behind pvp competitive play as it is planned (and was supposed to already be) for connecting with EVE.
It is about the EVE resources. Until PC has that as its one and only basis it is stupid.
Also, allowing for complete dominance of something has nothing to do with a sandbox game. It is already ruining parts of EVE that are getting sat on by outside game groups. That further invalidates that part of the game to me. No use playing.
Sorry, I have a life. I don't need to grind a Second Life.
I sit and listened to the entire cast live and was amazed that it went like it did and that's why I tried to put some points of interest in my post. There are some gems in there and I wanted to show the community what was happening in the person who is winning DUST514 own words. People say "pics or it didn't happen" and that is one hell of a picture.
EVE is about resources and community not about tournaments and epeens and we as FPS players have a hard time accepting those facts. As the game matures we will move out of out normal FPS mindsets and into the kind of thinking that makes EVE great then the game will be great but it is going to take time and hard work.
Black is correct that only having this one small set of planets isn't a good thing but going about it how he describes and the way he describes it is way worse. Things are going to change and I think that it is going to make some people mad but make more happy.
Burn out is a real thing and it will bite a lot of players quicker than others, in the end moderation is the key and people who can balance real life with fantasy will have much more fun. Sometimes this community has a hard time stepping back because this game is unlike any other FPS out there, it may suck but it is different and stressful. Knowing when to put it down is a hard lesson to learn.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Ander Thedas
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
502
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 -
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I've really been thinking about why he DEMANDS 100% control of Molden Heath before he starts to run his tournament. The only conclusion I can think of is that there will be an element of extortion and control behind it that he can have a strangle hold of since no one else could ever possibly compete, since he owns 100% control of all the possible territories to run this in. There is no other reason to require 100% control if he also plans on running the BEST possible tournament system. He knows he can't handle competition of other tournaments potentially, the question just comes down to which element of the game play he's putting the squeeze on that would be dismantled by a fair competitor.
Omnia mutantur nihil interit
FW lvl10 reward
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2396
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:30:00 -
[80] - Quote
Ander Thedas wrote:I've really been thinking about why he DEMANDS 100% control of Molden Heath before he starts to run his tournament. The only conclusion I can think of is that there will be an element of extortion and control behind it that he can have a strangle hold of since no one else could ever possibly compete, since he owns 100% control of all the possible territories to run this in. There is no other reason to require 100% control if he also plans on running the BEST possible tournament system. He knows he can't handle competition of other tournaments potentially, the question just comes down to which element of the game play he's putting the squeeze on that would be dismantled by a fair competitor.
Yes, why 100%? What does total control offer that owning a few planets wouldn't accomplish? I think it is so he can say he won DUST and created the only "Blue Doughnut in the New Eden"
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
4917
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:38:00 -
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Sounds like the DUST community will "reap what you sow".
Enjoy
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2399
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:40:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Sounds like the DUST community will "reap what you sow". Enjoy
Still playing? I though you quit a long time ago.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
476
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:09:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community.
TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0 |
Duke Noobiam
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:23:00 -
[84] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is.
It's not his vision of PC, it's his vision of Molden Heath. In true EVE/sandbox fashion, if he can create and hold an alliance that holds all districts in Molden Heath then he can try to put his Molden Heath league together.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2355
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:26:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. It's not his vision of PC, it's his vision of Molden Heath. In true EVE/sandbox fashion, if he can create and hold an alliance that holds all districts in Molden Heath then he can try to put his Molden Heath league together.
once he takes molden heath with his alliance, his vision should be to hold all of molden heath with 1 corp/sub corp. |
Duke Noobiam
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:28:00 -
[86] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:If you are good at what you do and want to fight back mail me in game and we can try to put something together but unless we have a good number of players it isn't going to work. We can change it anytime we want but we have to try. I will entertain any ideas but if we want to do it we have to go all in or get out. Fighting once or twice and saying it is not possible only empowers them more, we need serious players whom are fairly high skilled and it is possible but it will take time and a lot of suffering before we can do it.
This is the spirit of the whole of the whole thing... If you don't like what he is doing in the sandbox, then go break his sand castle.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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axis alpha
Red Star.
EoN.
312
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
And what's the isk for?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are a fool and soon enough you'll all be dealt with.
We won't follow the deceiver.
You let this be your warning.
The path of the wretched is burning..
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
596
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:31:00 -
[88] - Quote
Man, I can not wait for the eruption of this organization. Too many ego's under one roof. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
799
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:33:00 -
[89] - Quote
Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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General John Ripper
20088
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:40:00 -
[90] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:http://s8.multiplexgaming.com/downloads/PodsideEp196.mp3
Listen to him and ask yourself "Is this who I want to represent me?" He says he don't want the community, he doesn't want us to be able to play like we want, if you are not serving under him then you don't deserve to play in PC. This is bad for the game and if you are in DNS or a DNS corp then you are just his slave.
Do we want PC to be a tournament only place to play? I don't, I want PC to be a place where players have a chance to own something and he is trying to make PC into tournament only by taking 100% of districts. Members of DNS, you need to stand up to your raging overlord and change how PC is. I am not saying that it isn't fair that you own everything, I am saying that the members need to think about what he is saying and ask yourself if this is what is good for the game or what you want.
47:00 You have to join us to play in a tournament.
1:05:00 You are going to be a part of it or you change it.
1:15:00 We don't need TWL
1:28:00 F you we do what we want
1:43:00 PFC was a joke
1:46:17 I have more friends than Kane even knows
1:48:00 I want them all under me, I don't want community support, I don't want a tournament; I want a DNS tournament.
You DNS members need to think about what is going on and in what direction your leader is taking you in because you are going to end up playing the same people in that tournament you all want.
I heard it live. That guy is a complete moron. Your highlights don't even come close to highlighting the scrubbiness of who he is.
Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.
Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
599
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:43:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
Actually, that part doesn't really matter. I couldn't care less how mr. black wants to metagame people into forming his little PC league or w/e. I don't care if black is trying to 'force ccp's hand' via excluding all but his chosen.
What matters is, all this glorious posting about it.
Daily reminder: you all are ~this upset~ about a barely functional lobby shooter on a previous generation console |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2008
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:44:00 -
[92] - Quote
Tebu Gan wrote:Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
How is it good for everyone involved if there's nobody left to merc for/against?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
291
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
What I'm interested in is how CCP will react to this.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
478
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:20:00 -
[94] - Quote
what ccp needs to do is rebuild pc and open more regions to fight over |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
603
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:21:00 -
[95] - Quote
Bormir1r wrote:What I'm interested in is how CCP will react to this.
for maximum tears: hopefully not at all |
Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
292
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:25:00 -
[96] - Quote
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:what ccp needs to do is rebuild pc and open more regions to fight over
If they just open more districts, DNS will just take over more of them...it doesn't do anything.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
292
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:28:00 -
[97] - Quote
Appia Nappia wrote:omg, his little joffrey-rage when he heard people wouldn't do exactly what he wanted.
lol you know what happens to Geoffrey right? Season 4 Ep.2 cliff hanger.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Omega Black Zero
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:41:00 -
[98] - Quote
Bormir1r wrote:Appia Nappia wrote:omg, his little joffrey-rage when he heard people wouldn't do exactly what he wanted. lol you know what happens to Geoffrey right? Season 4 Ep.2 cliff hanger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3QW8PVyyNM |
Knight Solitaire
751
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:45:00 -
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You people act as if the players of DNS are doing this because we agree with whats going on.
I earned more ISK in one PC match for DV than I would have earned playing a week of pubs.
/Result
Faigh dea
"Knight Soiaire has the best RE Game" - Crimson Moon V
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1953
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:46:00 -
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theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it.
this game makes me sad....
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5090
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:47:00 -
[101] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
523
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:49:00 -
[102] - Quote
Tebu Gan wrote:
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
So my Tinfoil Hat Senses were piqued yesterday ready an EVE Dev blog about the changes to industry.
One was the introduction of Teams: the workforce of new Eden.
A future dev blog will actually explain wtf that means.
Really hope it somehow involves DUST. ...
Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
97
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:02:00 -
[103] - Quote
Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it.
Sorry man but that is just not true at all.
1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly.
a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches.
2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS)
3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays.
The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder.
I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville. |
General John Ripper
20100
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:24:00 -
[104] - Quote
WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.
Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:54:00 -
[105] - Quote
Why does he say that pub matches are called protos? |
Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2359
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:40:00 -
[106] - Quote
WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
100% true. Nice to see someone understands the game
Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
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Rusty Shallows
1527
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:46:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS.
For someone calling others whiners your tone is rife with it.
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Cinnamon267
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:13:00 -
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DNSBlack just says a lot of stuff.... that means, almost, nothing? He's insanely rude and insanely aggressive. Supper annoying. |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
2756
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:22:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville. 100% true. Nice to see someone understands the game
Hardly Beers,
His post would actually hold merit if you know... OH was considered top tier... derp
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Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
200
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:32:00 -
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I have to admit, if I were in DNS and PC-active and on the receiving end of the boatload of ISK they have...I would probably overlook what the leader of DNS did.
As long as my salary was high enough.
Not proud of it, but that's how it would likely be.
Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando
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Do you even lift?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
414
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:11:00 -
[111] - Quote
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0
If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
524
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:21:00 -
[112] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0 If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people.
elongating the attack window would work wonders for PC.
force-projection would be hampered some, but it would give breathing room in pc.
it would require actual alliance/coalition size work to donut MH.
not just 160 super active players.
...but, itll never happen, so...gg?
Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
415
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:42:00 -
[113] - Quote
Soldner VonKuechle wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0 If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people. elongating the attack window would work wonders for PC. force-projection would be hampered some, but it would give breathing room in pc. it would require actual alliance/coalition size work to donut MH. not just 160 super active players. ...but, itll never happen, so...gg?
The way I see it is that instead of instant attacks or 1h timer per day you should be able to choose to attack within 12-24h of current time, not sooner, not later. So lets say for example's sake that it's now 12:00 1st of January 2015 and you want to attack X corp, you can set the attack for 0:00-12:00 (exluding 11:00-11:30) 2nd of January 2015. Not any sooner, not any later, of course you would not be allowed to attack during downtime, so that time would not be selectible.
Well, that's just my idea.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2434
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:31:00 -
[114] - Quote
Duke Noobiam wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. It's not his vision of PC, it's his vision of Molden Heath. In true EVE/sandbox fashion, if he can create and hold an alliance that holds all districts in Molden Heath then he can try to put his Molden Heath league together.
I stand corrected, it is his vision of Molden Heath and yes if can create and hold 100% then he can put the Molden Heath league together but it is my vision that says he is wrong. The game needs passion and drive and his is different than mine. I am not saying he shouldn't be able to do it but I am saying that it isn't the right thing to do.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1966
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:56:00 -
[115] - Quote
WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
well it seems to have worked in the past, and fw is a good practice area for pc mechanics.... the alliances that outside of the blue donut need to get serious and expand if they care about pc....
or someone needs to have the cleverness and wit to get inside dns and turn on them....espionage has toppled the biggest alliances in eve in the past.
I'm not saying any of it is easy or that ccp doesn't have the mechanics of pc so effed up that any aggressor against dns isn't at a disadvantage, I'm just saying it isn't impossible, the right people just need to come along and organize their downfall...it will happen eventually.
of course who ever does wind up controlling molden heath next will be just as bad as dns once the smoke clears... power is the great corrupter.
this game makes me sad....
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Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:10:00 -
[116] - Quote
This game has far to many bugs and balancing issues for one to actually give a damn. PC is broken and hopefully will be reset sometime. |
Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
2
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:09:00 -
[117] - Quote
Once again the justification for stalemating the game and ruining the intent of the product by hiding behind the poor excuse of "sandbox".
CCP has said they take a hands off approach to their game(s). They wait and see what restrictions to place on the game based on balance rather than arbitrarily restrict it.
It is obvious to me at this point that CCP largely has to do that because they do not have the resources to design that much failsafes ahead of time. They can only divert resources to fix problems as they occur. They can't even hardly get the basics of a game working after a reasonable amount of time. You think they have enough time and resources to devote to plugging holes before they occur?
Also, they don't know what holes need plugging or how to go about it until they get feedback and playtesting data.
Sadly, fruitcakes like the one in the podcast cause CCP to have to focus on what restrictions are needed rather than develop the game otherwise. Guess we found the hole that needs plugging, amiright?
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2435
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:18:00 -
[118] - Quote
What needs fixing is the junk attack mechanic. Fix that and it will work itself out.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Dj grammer
Red Star.
EoN.
192
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:26:00 -
[119] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is.
There's no point. DNS claims to care when in all reality they don't. Hell if I was CCP I would reset EVERYONE'S assets and skill points. Everyone starts from square one
Back to the point, let them talk. They are great at such a horrible game anyways. I wonder what would happen if you brought them to another FPS where everything is unlocked by level, the roles are already set but each comes with consequences, and there is no FOTM to be noticed. Oh yeah its called Battlefield
So seinf as of how DNS is killing them game, this means no player base in the near future most likely in the next 2-3 months
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0.
Yea that old.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
800
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Posted - 2014.04.17 11:23:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support). How is it good for everyone involved if there's nobody left to merc for/against?
ISK, the lifeblood of New Eden
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
2203
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Posted - 2014.04.17 11:47:00 -
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I find it funny how all these corps outside of DNS keeps QQing about the general situation.
Where is the big counter alliance?
Where are the offers in my mailbox saying we'll pay you X amount for this or that? Well I have gotten some of these but they all mention isk in mere millions......
I get plenty of offers, mostly by lesser corps who seems to expect us to treat them as equals, which in terms of general game play performance really isn't an option. Many of these corps are to be considered food for our pub stomping machine, nothing more. When a squad of corp X cant do nothing in a simple pub game but place themselves on a rooftop the entire game, do you really expect us to drop a well payed job to join these various scrubs on some sort of unpayed crusade?
We are mercs, money talks.
Bring in the offers or STFU.
Thats The Rainbow Effect official polecy on this entire topic.
(I will however say that we have nothing but respect for WTF and Tracky, one of the few corps who actually puts up a good fight on average, even in pubs. We have helped each other out in the past, I hope Tracky an the rest of WTF see our dilemma and do not take our participation in PC against them as something personal, its all business....)
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2660
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:37:00 -
[122] - Quote
WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
Right on the nail, I'm tempted to open a troll campaign for an asset wipe barring AUR **** I really don't care I'll lose stuff...
Barbar, you should remain with NF tags if you're a merc, just do what beers does and rings
How to Leave PC
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2262
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:09:00 -
[123] - Quote
KingBabar wrote:I find it funny how all these corps outside of DNS keeps QQing about the general situation.
Where is the big counter alliance?
Where are the offers in my mailbox saying we'll pay you X amount for this or that? Well I have gotten some of these but they all mention isk in mere millions......
I get plenty of offers, mostly by lesser corps who seems to expect us to treat them as equals, which in terms of general game play performance really isn't an option. Many of these corps are to be considered food for our pub stomping machine, nothing more. When a squad of corp X cant do nothing in a simple pub game but place themselves on a rooftop the entire game, do you really expect us to drop a well payed job to join these various scrubs on some sort of unpayed crusade?
We are mercs, money talks.
Bring in the offers or STFU.
Thats The Rainbow Effect official polecy on this entire topic.
(I will however say that we have nothing but respect for WTF and Tracky, one of the few corps who actually puts up a good fight on average, even in pubs. We have helped each other out in the past, I hope Tracky an the rest of WTF see our dilemma and do not take our participation in PC against them as something personal, its all business....)
Aren't you in DNS too? Am I mistaken?
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2439
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:27:00 -
[124] - Quote
KingBabar wrote:I find it funny how all these corps outside of DNS keeps QQing about the general situation.
Where is the big counter alliance?
Where are the offers in my mailbox saying we'll pay you X amount for this or that? Well I have gotten some of these but they all mention isk in mere millions......
I get plenty of offers, mostly by lesser corps who seems to expect us to treat them as equals, which in terms of general game play performance really isn't an option. Many of these corps are to be considered food for our pub stomping machine, nothing more. When a squad of corp X cant do nothing in a simple pub game but place themselves on a rooftop the entire game, do you really expect us to drop a well payed job to join these various scrubs on some sort of unpayed crusade?
We are mercs, money talks.
Bring in the offers or STFU.
Thats The Rainbow Effect official polecy on this entire topic.
(I will however say that we have nothing but respect for WTF and Tracky, one of the few corps who actually puts up a good fight on average, even in pubs. We have helped each other out in the past, I hope Tracky an the rest of WTF see our dilemma and do not take our participation in PC against them as something personal, its all business....)
If I had access to the ISK I would so do it but I am too poor and insignificant to make it happen. I can tell you how to do it but I just don't have the relationships in game to pull it off. It wouldn't be that hard to do but the people who are needed to pull it off just aren't willing and they don't want to spend the ISK.
Without the proper ISK coming in it is going to take a group whom wants to to make the change because they want the recognition. As it is now with the apathy in the community and lack of pride is what holds them back and pride is going to have to be the driving factor for a while and I just don't think many players have the pride needed to force change. DNS corps are pulling in lots of ISK and that is all they care about and without the rest of the player base being able to pull in that much ISK there is little chance that more than a corp or two is going to even try.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
3987
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:39:00 -
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I understand what the OP is trying to do but it won't work. It's human nature for someone to be rolling in money and power to be oblivious to the truth of it all because hey, they are rolling in money and power. You're only going to sound like someone who hates what they have because you don't have it. Or at least, that's how they will view you.
The only ways to take down DNS is finding a better tactic that would involve in-fighting/disruption or you take them head on. I can go on to say without asking its members that I know the majority don't give a damn what DNSBlack feels because they are on big dogs team. Most men can't even part their eyes from all that glitters just to hear something logical.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2440
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:57:00 -
[126] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:I understand what the OP is trying to do but it won't work. It's human nature for someone to be rolling in money and power to be oblivious to the truth of it all because hey, they are rolling in money and power. You're only going to sound like someone who hates what they have because you don't have it. Or at least, that's how they will view you.
The only ways to take down DNS is finding a better tactic that would involve in-fighting/disruption or you take them head on. I can go on to say without asking its members that I know the majority don't give a damn what DNSBlack feels because they are on big dogs team. Most men can't even part their eyes from all that glitters just to hear something logical.
I totally agree.
I am more upset with community than anything else -myself included- for letting this happen and continue to happen. I want to change how many districts an entity can hold or wipe their assets or anything like that. I posted this for one reason only, to try and lite a fire under some people. Other than that I don't have any other motive. I want some passion out of the 99% whom don't care or don't think they can change something.
I know I am horrible at this game and I know that I will never be space rich and it doesn't bother me at all. I don't want people to think this a QQ thread about DNS owning too many districts because it isn't, like I have said before and will say again. I admire the hard work and commitment their members and leadership have put into Molden Heath and if nothing else it should show others that with some hard work a lot of things can be accomplished.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
479
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:31:00 -
[127] - Quote
MarasdF Loron wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0 If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people.
im not complaining about DNS, you guys did well, im complaining about how pc works in general without the use of warbarge mechanics, district based pve, pi mechanics, passive income while in lock down mode , excssivly long timers to attack, and probly lots of other things that i dont know about because pc it so damn exclusive. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
496
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:42:00 -
[128] - Quote
KingBabar wrote:I find it funny how all these corps outside of DNS keeps QQing about the general situation.
Where is the big counter alliance?
Where are the offers in my mailbox saying we'll pay you X amount for this or that? Well I have gotten some of these but they all mention isk in mere millions......
I get plenty of offers, mostly by lesser corps who seems to expect us to treat them as equals, which in terms of general game play performance really isn't an option. Many of these corps are to be considered food for our pub stomping machine, nothing more. When a squad of corp X cant do nothing in a simple pub game but place themselves on a rooftop the entire game, do you really expect us to drop a well payed job to join these various scrubs on some sort of unpayed crusade?
We are mercs, money talks.
Bring in the offers or STFU.
Thats The Rainbow Effect official polecy on this entire topic.
(I will however say that we have nothing but respect for WTF and Tracky, one of the few corps who actually puts up a good fight on average, even in pubs. We have helped each other out in the past, I hope Tracky an the rest of WTF see our dilemma and do not take our participation in PC against them as something personal, its all business....)
It's "paid" not "payed".
Because, that's why.
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
664
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:49:00 -
[129] - Quote
Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players. |
Stiddlefaxq
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:54:00 -
[130] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:I am just stirring the pot some and trying to get some emotions going. I tip my hat to all those players who are fighting in PC and the leaders who bring them together because it is hard work. I just want people to fight back to make it interesting and sitting here crying about it is not interested. I am not crying, like I said I am just trying to stir the pot and light some fires.
I'll send your compliment up to the boss |
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
480
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:31:00 -
[131] - Quote
A'Real Fury wrote:Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players.
All it would take is mission based pve with a 1-5 level difficulty system requiering more players to complete as the dificulty goes up like eve has and that would be a major start in the right direction, personaly i think pc 1.0 is a little before its time and really needs to be scrapped, and faction warfare needs to be the place where the district mechanics are fleshed out along with the eve link, but im only a dropout game design student so imnot an expert on what is the correct way to make dust better. |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2442
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:54:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players. All it would take is mission based pve with a 1-5 level difficulty system requiering more players to complete as the dificulty goes up like eve has and that would be a major start in the right direction, personaly i think pc 1.0 is a little before its time and really needs to be scrapped, and faction warfare needs to be the place where the district mechanics are fleshed out along with the eve link, but im only a dropout game design student so imnot an expert on what is the correct way to make dust better.
A big improvement would just being having the attack window be a few hours instead of one hour. A large majority of the districts can only be attacked after downtime when there is on a limited amount of players on. That is borked up and being abused to protect their districts. Right now 61 of the districts can only be attacked at 1200 EVE time, that is when there are the least amount of players on that allow for attacks, abuse much?
The defenders should have some advantage but it is too much in their favor like it is now because of how down time and timers work. Make the window for attack be like 5-8 hours so owners can't schedule a time that vastly benefits them. If the attack timer was more balanced and not totally in favor of the defender then district control would be a lot different. I may be wrong but I think that a majority of players are in the American TZ and having the timers set for 7 am eastern all the way down to 3 am pacific is just another way for them to cheat the system.
Hey DNS, grow some balls and put those districts on prime time if you are so tough. I doubt you will because you know that it wouldn't work out like it is now. Keep working shitass mechanics so you can say you are the best, if you believe that then set all your districts to prime but I know you won't because that wouldn't allow you to use bad design to "prove" you are the best.
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A'Real Fury wrote:Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players.
ISK payout needs to be toned down for top to bottom. The upper are making way more than the lowers and we all are making a little bit too much in pubs. Pull back pubs and make it more standardized and make PC hard work and expensive so that only well organized and high player count corps can hold multiple districts. There is absolutely no downside to ownership. One 15 minute battle a day is not enough work for the ISK is brings in per day.
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Thor Odinson42
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KingBabar wrote:I find it funny how all these corps outside of DNS keeps QQing about the general situation.
Where is the big counter alliance?
Where are the offers in my mailbox saying we'll pay you X amount for this or that? Well I have gotten some of these but they all mention isk in mere millions......
I get plenty of offers, mostly by lesser corps who seems to expect us to treat them as equals, which in terms of general game play performance really isn't an option. Many of these corps are to be considered food for our pub stomping machine, nothing more. When a squad of corp X cant do nothing in a simple pub game but place themselves on a rooftop the entire game, do you really expect us to drop a well payed job to join these various scrubs on some sort of unpayed crusade?
We are mercs, money talks.
Bring in the offers or STFU.
Thats The Rainbow Effect official polecy on this entire topic.
(I will however say that we have nothing but respect for WTF and Tracky, one of the few corps who actually puts up a good fight on average, even in pubs. We have helped each other out in the past, I hope Tracky an the rest of WTF see our dilemma and do not take our participation in PC against them as something personal, its all business....)
Do you guys really believe this when you write it? I find it hard to believe that a group of players who are intelligent enough to find the right fits for the right task within a solid overall strategy while also being able to shift tactics at the correct time, but not be able to see the overall state of the game.
Do you believe that there are secret pockets of players and secret corps that have been playing on some parallel server? They'll be introduced to the rest of Dust at some point to bring competition to DNS? I mean you play pubs right? You see droves of solo players and 5 tanks in a domination mode where the objective is underground.
Putting a foot on the neck of a playerbase that does not have the tools nor the incentive to become proficient in team play is self defeating. Many of the players within DNS were playing the game a year before Dust was even officially released.
I mean we have ReGyNum in this thread calling one of the TWO corps able to compete with DNS scrubby. That is the kind of mindset we are dealing with here. This is not rational, what is the point of even discussing it.
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The Robot Devil wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players. ISK payout needs to be toned down for top to bottom. The upper are making way more than the lowers and we all are making a little bit too much in pubs. Pull back pubs and make it more standardized and make PC hard work and expensive so that only well organized and high player count corps can hold multiple districts. There is absolutely no downside to ownership. One 15 minute battle a day is not enough work for the ISK is brings in per day.
You lost me there. I went 19-2 the other day in a winning match and made 137K ISK.
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Entities like DNS are killing Dust.... =ľ+ |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players. ISK payout needs to be toned down for top to bottom. The upper are making way more than the lowers and we all are making a little bit too much in pubs. Pull back pubs and make it more standardized and make PC hard work and expensive so that only well organized and high player count corps can hold multiple districts. There is absolutely no downside to ownership. One 15 minute battle a day is not enough work for the ISK is brings in per day. You lost me there. I went 19-2 the other day in a winning match and made 137K ISK.
I have junk matches that pay 150K. I am saying tone down the payments to make using top end items less appealing. It may be the difference in roles. Do you get salvage often? I'm not being an ass but I rarely get salvage but I make decent ISK and WP, if you do get loot often would an open market make up for the lesser pay?
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Meknow Intaki wrote:Entities like DNS are killing Dust.... =ľ+
To be 100% honest DUST needs things like this to make people wan to take action. I wouldn't say it is killing DUST but I would agree that abusing borked up mechanics is hurting the game but not killing it. If DNS is having fun then it is a good thing but it shouldn't come at the expense of the rest of the community. Again, the problem is just as much our fault as it is DNS's fault. CCP has their hand in it also because the mechanics and pay isn't conducive to fair play, I am not saying everything should be fair but it should be a level playing field and the attack timer times, attack timer lengths and the passive ISK generation makes the field uneven and by a wide margin in favor of the defenders.
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Regnyum you-¦ve gotta be the biggest tool in the game seriously.
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The Robot Devil wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. That is the worst part, no one will act and if they do it is such a small number that they can't compete because they are fighting the best 16 players in the game who have unlimited funds. Mechanics and apathy are the two things that have made it this way, well that and players want to be on the "best" team so all the best justifiably join the same set of corps. So many corps are very small and filled with not the best players in the game.
Its mostly apathy, apathy for this game and apathy for PC especially. Blame CCP for making a dull lobby shooter instead of the MMO FPS they marketed to us so effectively. Blame CCP for instituting a PC system many of us Closed Beta vets told them would ******* suck.
Good luck finding enough people who give a **** about Dust 514 enough to take DNS on, I'm certainly not one of them.
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DNS is pretty much doing the equivilent of idling in the MCC for ISK back before you got the boot for such things. They are hording isk, but for what purpose? Stomping in pubs? There isnt anyone to spend that ISK on that matters. So congrats, you get to make virtual moneys and then do absolutely nothing with it.
Look at the corp leader board, pretty much any corp above a 2.5 k/d is in DNS (aside from smaller corps). Other than OH, what non DNS corp has a 2.5+k.d and more than a handful of members?
The player base of this game isnt that big, and DNS has practically all the top tier talent in one alliance. I dunno how it happened, but if a corp become remotely good, DNS swallowed them. They seem to strike early too cause theres a lot of 2nd tier corps in DNS too nowadays. Itd be nice to try to get together a group of skilled players and challenge them, but the talent and isk pool is already way in favor of them. Honestly the only thing that will bring them down is boredom.
I do wonder what the mentality of DNS is though. Like whats the point? Hording ISK for when Dust becomes a bit better? It feels like the top couple corps allied, then all the second, third tier corps got scared and joined up too instead of making things interesting. And now...well PC is dead and DUST looks doomed because when could any future corp ever come back form the massive ISK advantage DNS now has?
Maybe some of the good corps in DNS will get some balls and knock this nonsense off. But i doubt any outside force is going to ever touch DNS. |
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The Robot Devil wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:A'Real Fury wrote:Trouble is 95% of the community was never involved in PC so why would they care who controls it now?
CCP needs to create alternate isk revenue streams so non-pc players can level the isk/protosuit playing fields.
I reckon it will be a long time before they can make PC interesting to casual players. ISK payout needs to be toned down for top to bottom. The upper are making way more than the lowers and we all are making a little bit too much in pubs. Pull back pubs and make it more standardized and make PC hard work and expensive so that only well organized and high player count corps can hold multiple districts. There is absolutely no downside to ownership. One 15 minute battle a day is not enough work for the ISK is brings in per day. You lost me there. I went 19-2 the other day in a winning match and made 137K ISK. I have junk matches that pay 150K. I am saying tone down the payments to make using top end items less appealing. It may be the difference in roles. Do you get salvage often? I'm not being an ass but I rarely get salvage but I make decent ISK and WP, if you do get loot often would an open market make up for the lesser pay?
I don't run proto anymore unless I'm getting proto stomped. I actually spend most of my time in a BPO heavy now with ADV and Proto Mods. It's honestly the first fit I can stomach that consistently leads to profit.
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I use an advanced Min logi with all advance stuff except a proto tool and a Exile AR. I can't get good with a heavy, I don't shoot well. I am good at support not slaying. When I try to go killer I usually only pull off 3-6 kills with 3-6 deaths. I could do better if I practiced more and didn't love my tool so often. Honestly, I do best with my Dragonfly with Exile AR/Toxin SMG and dual uplinks with two advanced green bottles. I do well enough that I have thought about being a scout with a tool or some other equipment for fun. The suit costs like 10K and is super fun. No tank but I could fix that with a few plates.
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I don't run proto anymore unless I'm getting proto stomped. I actually spend most of my time in a BPO heavy now with ADV and Proto Mods. It's honestly the first fit I can stomach that consistently leads to profit.
Ive got a rule not to use fits above 40k a piece in pub, the average fit being 20-25k, that includes STD and ADV fits.
Works surprisingly well with alpha strike or non-combattant roles.
You never go negative that way no matter the stomp, and remain effective and somewhat useful to boot. Restrictions breed creativity. ADV laser rifles on heavies breed butt bruising and anal anguish.
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What is the sound of three nerds bitching?
If a nerd falls in the forest and no one is around to laugh at him, do his feelings get hurt anyway?
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I only listened to a little of the podcast and I can just tell from the sound of DNSBlack's voice that he is exactly the guy Pyrex talks about in his latest youtube video. I sad little individual in real life who needs "power" in a video game to get some validation in his life. Poor kid.
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Dj grammer wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. There's no point. DNS claims to care when in all reality they don't. Hell if I was CCP I would reset EVERYONE'S assets and skill points. Everyone starts from square one Back to the point, let them talk. They are great at such a horrible game anyways. I wonder what would happen if you brought them to another FPS where everything is unlocked by level, the roles are already set but each comes with consequences, and there is no FOTM to be noticed. Oh yeah its called Battlefield So seinf as of how DNS is killing them game, this means no player base in the near future most likely in the next 2-3 months
Meh why do that, just connect the Eve and Dust economies and let Eve ISK flow in and dwarf out the passive ISK DNS has rolled up. I bet some Eve industrialists would hand out money to the masses just for the LOLs and ******* with the status quo
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Zahle Undt wrote:Dj grammer wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. There's no point. DNS claims to care when in all reality they don't. Hell if I was CCP I would reset EVERYONE'S assets and skill points. Everyone starts from square one Back to the point, let them talk. They are great at such a horrible game anyways. I wonder what would happen if you brought them to another FPS where everything is unlocked by level, the roles are already set but each comes with consequences, and there is no FOTM to be noticed. Oh yeah its called Battlefield So seinf as of how DNS is killing them game, this means no player base in the near future most likely in the next 2-3 months Meh why do that, just connect the Eve and Dust economies and let Eve ISK flow in and dwarf out the passive ISK DNS has rolled up. I bet some Eve industrialists would hand out money to the masses just for the LOLs and ******* with the status quo
GJR accepting 10 trillion for the lolz and to fk sht up.
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Zahle Undt wrote:I only listened to a little of the podcast and I can just tell from the sound of DNSBlack's voice that he is exactly the guy Pyrex talks about in his latest youtube video. I sad little individual in real life who needs "power" in a video game to get some validation in his life. Poor kid.
Like Appia said in IRC: "You can hear his neckbeard"
Made me chuckle.
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Spectral Clone wrote:Like Appia said in IRC: "You can hear his neckbeard"
Made me chuckle.
I giggled as well. Also:
Sigberct Amni wrote:Daily reminder: you all are ~this upset~ about a barely functional lobby shooter on a previous generation console |
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Sigberct Amni wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Like Appia said in IRC: "You can hear his neckbeard"
Made me chuckle. I giggled as well. Also: Sigberct Amni wrote:Daily reminder: you all are ~this upset~ about a barely functional lobby shooter on a previous generation console
Not me, I've become very apathetic to the whole thing. The people that should care about this situation is CCP, they are the ones losing potential revenue with every DNS protostomp of a potential customer or every time someone like me becomes apathetic enough about this game to forgo spending a little money for some aurum for boosters for events like this week.
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Canari Elphus wrote:People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.
Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.
Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz.
THIS. From what I've seen, most people I play with don't give a f**k about what is happening in pc. Its a joke.
I'm pretty sure most corps in DNS don't give a f**k about Black either. PC is not worth the time and effort atm and Black could do what he wants, but in a month, no one will no em.
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
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It would be nice to see him get taken down a notch.
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Zahle Undt wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Like Appia said in IRC: "You can hear his neckbeard"
Made me chuckle. I giggled as well. Also: Sigberct Amni wrote:Daily reminder: you all are ~this upset~ about a barely functional lobby shooter on a previous generation console Not me, I've become very apathetic to the whole thing. The people that should care about this situation is CCP, they are the ones losing potential revenue with every DNS protostomp of a potential customer or every time someone like me becomes apathetic enough about this game to forgo spending a little money for some aurum for boosters for events like this week.
I've purchased enough boosters to be good for awhile, but I certainly won't purchase any more until the game is improved. I'll take my money, update BF3, and go blitz rush for awhile with the new stuff that came out after I stopped playing.
And I bought dragon age origins & II because I love bioware and never tried them. So once this week is up ill probably take a break from DUST for awhile.
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