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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Appia Nappia wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Canari Elphus wrote:

People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.

Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.

Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz.

Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good?

I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job.

From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case.

Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth

Appia, I don't mind (and expect) Canari to stick to DNS message even though it's obvious there are issues in all directions with PC. I think his tone and glancing attack on the Dust community writ large was the issue - particularly for someone that wants to be on the CPM.

"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."

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Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 520	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:47:00 - [61] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: VonSpliff wrote: I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me. VonSpliff, Merc Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel Black said he has won DUST - with no acknowledgement to any corp working towards his vision - and that the end game is turning PC into a DNS tournament league, you don't even know why you are fighting or for who because you don't care and that is the problem. No one cares, if you want PC to be a tournament league so you can fight the same people over and over then be my guest and have fun. You don't know the truth, there's only one person in control... ContraBanJoe you know it is true, he controls DNS Serious Note, Forum Warriors lacking Intel or DNS, as well as DNSBlack line members don't act like you know the truth Intel Officers from in and out of DNS, (See Above) Real Intel Officers/Freelance Spies You know a decent amount of the truth, but you don't see the large picture Kain, (Various Spymasters/Intel Directors), (Those truly in the know there's 3 people included in this) You know what going to happen The writing is now on the wall. The crap part is that its translated from Mandarins to English using Icelandic phonetics Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 409	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:57:00 - [62] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I wonder what the isk income is... Well, since you asked, for me it's around 10 million per week if I am active in PCs, most likely it's higher for some and lower for someone else. If I run pubs on my alts with cheap gear, I can make way more than 10 million per week, I can actually make way over 10 million per week just by being afk. And that 10 million pretty much always goes to my vehicles when I cap out for the week. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 521	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:01:00 - [63] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I wonder what the isk income is... Well, since you asked, for me it's around 10 million per week if I am active in PCs, most likely it's higher for some and lower for someone else. If I run pubs on my alts with cheap gear, I can make way more than 10 million per week, I can actually make way over 10 million per week just by being afk. And that 10 million pretty much always goes to my vehicles when I cap out for the week. Sounds like your bosses aren't paying you enough. You should strike. Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 488	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:07:00 - [64] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it. Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest. "Moaning about it" falls under the umbrella of communicating with others. Because, that's why.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 409	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:07:00 - [65] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I wonder what the isk income is... Well, since you asked, for me it's around 10 million per week if I am active in PCs, most likely it's higher for some and lower for someone else. If I run pubs on my alts with cheap gear, I can make way more than 10 million per week, I can actually make way over 10 million per week just by being afk. And that 10 million pretty much always goes to my vehicles when I cap out for the week. Sounds like your bosses aren't paying you enough. You should strike. Let's see I read somewhere that there's around 1300 Dusties in DNS (this could be way off, but let's assume it's not). Whole of DNS makes, what? Let's say 2B ISK per day. So 2.000.000.000 ISK dived by 1300 is around 1.5M ISK per day per merc. Pretty much comes to 10M per week, leaders take the share of those who don't attend and the rest goes to whatever expenses we have. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3390	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:20:00 - [66] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: All I hear is... cutting off Black when he is talking cutting off Black when he is talking cutting off Black when he is talking cutting off Black when he is talking cutting off Black when he is talking 52:47 "Too many people talking here" Next time there is an interview, do it properly please. @everyone who was in it No matter who is being interviewed on any subject, when you keep cutting someone off and not letting them finish then you miss out on the points they are trying to tell you and little is learned. Future talks need a good mediator to make sure people aren't cutting each other off. The other interviews he's done he's had to be muted because he won't shut up. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Void Echo Total Extinction 2417	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:23:00 - [67] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I do what I want, even if I want to be somebody's slave, you are free to stop me. PS. I will check that when I get home, but I doubt it changes anything. I couldn't care less who you are slave to, I care about the game and this vision of the game is bad for the game and plain junk. Then why present it in a way that you care, if you really don't. If you don't like what he or someone else does, you as the community, have the power to stop him and anyone else. Forums just are not going to accoplish anything. I care about the game, not who you work for. There is no way to stop it because of **** mechanics. I just want to draw attention to what is happening and why. There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS. well, back in the EON war, there were several other major alliances that were fighting each other including Negative-Feedback, Cronos, Whatever alliance SVER was in at that time, EON, Team Players, Hellstorm Inc. and one other alliance that was first to fall. notice anything different from then that does not apply to now? 1: During the EON war, there was more that a single superpower fighting fro supremacy and control. (Now almost all of the best players in this game's history are under several flags under a single banner, nobody can put up a fight against them as everyone is too weak to do so and there aren't enough assets). 2: Back then, the community actually cared about PC because it was new and looked promising to the players as a savior of the game. (Now almost nobody outside of the PC corps gives a ** about PC anymore because DNS keeps everyone out who cant put up a fight). There are truly only a few of us who aren't afraid to go to war against them at an attempt to remove them, some of them are already in PC but are struggling to keep their districts from being taken over, me and a few others just don't have the resources to even get in PC. Youtube Closed Beta Vet CEO: Total Extinction
Scheherazade VII 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:27:00 - [68] - Quote TL;DR people are scared to play the game that they are playing so they added foam walls and put on their training wheels and all rode around the playground and played happily. Then they started inbreeding.... Why be scared of playing the entire purpose of the game!?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3390	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:27:00 - [69] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it. Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest. Steady... first you know that I have lot of respect for you. I do not think you have the whole point with this... the way the mechanics are and the current imblalace in ISK has tilted the filed so far in favor of your end of the spectrum that it is an order of magnitude harder for the rest of the game community to actually disrupt the current state of PC than it was for you to take it under control. It's very easy for folks in your seat to just say get good and make attack me. Most folks don't have the near endless wallet that would require. Also...as long as the mechanics of the game allow for a few dozen people to teleport instantly from one side of MH to another while they treat Dust like a part-time job and dominate that's not healthy either. The concern with DNS Black is that he's a player that is taking away whole facets of the game from others. In EVE you can move from High Sec, Low Sec, and NulSec and Wormhole space. Here it's pubs, FW which most newer players can't afford, and PC which very few can afford. That is squeezing the whole player base in a way that isn't healthy for the game. This is pretty easy to see if you aren't "special". If taking districts from elite corps was practical they wouldn't have blue'd up. It's really that simple. Level 3 Forum Warrior
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 74	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:30:00 - [70] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: We can do it now but it will take 4-6 weeks and just don't think that most of us have the will power to do it. I'd be down for the fight

Scheherazade VII 404	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:33:00 - [71] - Quote at the end of the day selfish little kids will always ruin your fun, that's my problem with online games it's like putting myself back out onto the playground. greed overcomes all, in real life and in virtual reality. some people don't care about others having fun they only care about themselves, well now that you have nobody to fight is it really that fun generating ISK which you can't use other than to stomp in pubs and diminish the player base? IF anybody in DNS cared about the game they wouldn't be doing this, they don't care for the future only how much they can ransack DUST for now, then they'll move on and good riddance!
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 142	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:58:00 - [72] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just here for the ISK bitches. copy that May I ask, as someone who is just indirectly affected by this PC stuff, what do you do with that ISK? I thought in PC you get sponsored by your corps ... why have ISK at all, it buys you nothing you wouldnt already get for free, doesnt it? Just out of curiosity. The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
D34NOS MAZDA Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 458	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:01:00 - [73] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just here for the ISK bitches. copy that I here for the people, ok i mean isk
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2386	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:19:00 - [74] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Appia Nappia wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so. Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days. Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case. Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth Appia, I don't mind (and expect) Canari to stick to DNS message even though it's obvious there are issues in all directions with PC. I think his tone and glancing attack on the Dust community writ large was the issue - particularly for someone that wants to be on the CPM. I voted for him on the CSM but after hearing what he said and how he said it I wish I could take it back. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2386	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:38:00 - [75] - Quote D34NOS MAZDA wrote: Sum1ne Else wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just here for the ISK bitches. copy that I here for the people, ok i mean isk Just about the same thing if you think about it, we get paid for ears and noses. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 1	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:45:00 - [76] - Quote Whew, couldn't listen to much of that. Sounds like a bunch of northerners who still need a ball or two to drop. PC though is a bullsh*t epeen game mode that has nothng to do with the idea behind pvp competitive play as it is planned (and was supposed to already be) for connecting with EVE. It is about the EVE resources. Until PC has that as its one and only basis it is stupid. Also, allowing for complete dominance of something has nothing to do with a sandbox game. It is already ruining parts of EVE that are getting sat on by outside game groups. That further invalidates that part of the game to me. No use playing. Sorry, I have a life. I don't need to grind a Second Life. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2387	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:51:00 - [77] - Quote RayRay James wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: We can do it now but it will take 4-6 weeks and just don't think that most of us have the will power to do it. I'd be down for the fight All I need is a lot of ISK, some good players willing to follow orders and time. It will/would suck really hard for a while but it can be done and I know how we would do it. Resolve and money. This problem is 1/3 our fault for not wanting to take the hard fight, 1/3 their fault for wanting the easy path and 1/3 CCP's fault for giving us a crappy mechanic to fight over and hold districts with. If I were a better diplomat I would be able to do it but my abrasive nature and rigidity makes me think that I couldn't pull it off. I am a great people person when face to face but over a keyboard or though a voice com my personality doesn't shine like in the real world. I am good at few things and being right and predicting the future are some of them. Everyone I know says I am right 90+% of the time and usually end up calling me a pimp or genius by the end of the conversation. Everything comes around full circle and ten fold. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2389	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:08:00 - [78] - Quote Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Whew, couldn't listen to much of that. Sounds like a bunch of northerners who still need a ball or two to drop. PC though is a bullsh*t epeen game mode that has nothng to do with the idea behind pvp competitive play as it is planned (and was supposed to already be) for connecting with EVE. It is about the EVE resources. Until PC has that as its one and only basis it is stupid. Also, allowing for complete dominance of something has nothing to do with a sandbox game. It is already ruining parts of EVE that are getting sat on by outside game groups. That further invalidates that part of the game to me. No use playing. Sorry, I have a life. I don't need to grind a Second Life. I sit and listened to the entire cast live and was amazed that it went like it did and that's why I tried to put some points of interest in my post. There are some gems in there and I wanted to show the community what was happening in the person who is winning DUST514 own words. People say "pics or it didn't happen" and that is one hell of a picture. EVE is about resources and community not about tournaments and epeens and we as FPS players have a hard time accepting those facts. As the game matures we will move out of out normal FPS mindsets and into the kind of thinking that makes EVE great then the game will be great but it is going to take time and hard work. Black is correct that only having this one small set of planets isn't a good thing but going about it how he describes and the way he describes it is way worse. Things are going to change and I think that it is going to make some people mad but make more happy. Burn out is a real thing and it will bite a lot of players quicker than others, in the end moderation is the key and people who can balance real life with fantasy will have much more fun. Sometimes this community has a hard time stepping back because this game is unlike any other FPS out there, it may suck but it is different and stressful. Knowing when to put it down is a hard lesson to learn. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 502	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:19:00 - [79] - Quote I've really been thinking about why he DEMANDS 100% control of Molden Heath before he starts to run his tournament. The only conclusion I can think of is that there will be an element of extortion and control behind it that he can have a strangle hold of since no one else could ever possibly compete, since he owns 100% control of all the possible territories to run this in. There is no other reason to require 100% control if he also plans on running the BEST possible tournament system. He knows he can't handle competition of other tournaments potentially, the question just comes down to which element of the game play he's putting the squeeze on that would be dismantled by a fair competitor. Omnia mutantur nihil interit FW lvl10 reward
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2396	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:30:00 - [80] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: I've really been thinking about why he DEMANDS 100% control of Molden Heath before he starts to run his tournament. The only conclusion I can think of is that there will be an element of extortion and control behind it that he can have a strangle hold of since no one else could ever possibly compete, since he owns 100% control of all the possible territories to run this in. There is no other reason to require 100% control if he also plans on running the BEST possible tournament system. He knows he can't handle competition of other tournaments potentially, the question just comes down to which element of the game play he's putting the squeeze on that would be dismantled by a fair competitor. Yes, why 100%? What does total control offer that owning a few planets wouldn't accomplish? I think it is so he can say he won DUST and created the only "Blue Doughnut in the New Eden" "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4917	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:38:00 - [81] - Quote Sounds like the DUST community will "reap what you sow". Enjoy ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2399	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:40:00 - [82] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sounds like the DUST community will "reap what you sow". Enjoy Still playing? I though you quit a long time ago. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 476	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:09:00 - [83] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0
Duke Noobiam Algintal Core Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:23:00 - [84] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. It's not his vision of PC, it's his vision of Molden Heath. In true EVE/sandbox fashion, if he can create and hold an alliance that holds all districts in Molden Heath then he can try to put his Molden Heath league together. How do you kill that which has no life?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2355	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:26:00 - [85] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. It's not his vision of PC, it's his vision of Molden Heath. In true EVE/sandbox fashion, if he can create and hold an alliance that holds all districts in Molden Heath then he can try to put his Molden Heath league together. once he takes molden heath with his alliance, his vision should be to hold all of molden heath with 1 corp/sub corp.
Duke Noobiam Algintal Core Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:28:00 - [86] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: If you are good at what you do and want to fight back mail me in game and we can try to put something together but unless we have a good number of players it isn't going to work. We can change it anytime we want but we have to try. I will entertain any ideas but if we want to do it we have to go all in or get out. Fighting once or twice and saying it is not possible only empowers them more, we need serious players whom are fairly high skilled and it is possible but it will take time and a lot of suffering before we can do it. This is the spirit of the whole of the whole thing... If you don't like what he is doing in the sandbox, then go break his sand castle. How do you kill that which has no life?
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 312	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:29:00 - [87] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just here for the ISK bitches. And what's the isk for? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm You are a fool and soon enough you'll all be dealt with. We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 596	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:31:00 - [88] - Quote Man, I can not wait for the eruption of this organization. Too many ego's under one roof.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Dirt Nap Squad. 799	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:33:00 - [89] - Quote Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation. Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support). Tanks - Balancing Turrets
General John Ripper 20088	Posted - 2014.04.16 20:40:00 - [90] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: http://s8.multiplexgaming.com/downloads/PodsideEp196.mp3 Listen to him and ask yourself "Is this who I want to represent me?" He says he don't want the community, he doesn't want us to be able to play like we want, if you are not serving under him then you don't deserve to play in PC. This is bad for the game and if you are in DNS or a DNS corp then you are just his slave. Do we want PC to be a tournament only place to play? I don't, I want PC to be a place where players have a chance to own something and he is trying to make PC into tournament only by taking 100% of districts. Members of DNS, you need to stand up to your raging overlord and change how PC is. I am not saying that it isn't fair that you own everything, I am saying that the members need to think about what he is saying and ask yourself if this is what is good for the game or what you want. 47:00 You have to join us to play in a tournament. 1:05:00 You are going to be a part of it or you change it. 1:15:00 We don't need TWL 1:28:00 F you we do what we want 1:43:00 PFC was a joke 1:46:17 I have more friends than Kane even knows 1:48:00 I want them all under me, I don't want community support, I don't want a tournament; I want a DNS tournament. You DNS members need to think about what is going on and in what direction your leader is taking you in because you are going to end up playing the same people in that tournament you all want. I heard it live. That guy is a complete moron. Your highlights don't even come close to highlighting the scrubbiness of who he is. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed. Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.



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