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Appia Nappia wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Canari Elphus wrote:

People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so.

Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days.

Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz.

Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good?

I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job.

From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case.

Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth

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The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2357	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:25:00 - [31] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so. Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days. Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. I don't think that's what's the issue here I think it's a core issue in the game... look at it from the IRL perspective, this is a person with connections to TWL trying to promote it through himself rather than having TWL work with CCP, the issue with him is he's trying to push an agenda with RL stuff involved... He is trying to push is vision of how a tournament should work inside the game by controlling 100% of the districts and only allowing people whom him and his underlings deem fit to play. Tournaments are all fine and dandy but they should be ran so that they represent DUST514 and its players not DNS and it's corps. I am not saying that DNS shouldn't be able to hold the districts they hold because I admire their hard work and effort. I don't like his attitude, tone or way going about creating a tournament atmosphere. PC should be about players having a home not being a home for tournaments, again I don't have a problem with DNS owning 100% of the districts because in the long run it is the communities fault and bad PC mechanics that allow them to do so. To me, he is disrespectful to us, the Podside crew and the lady from TeamWarefare League by not letting them speak and the volume and tone he had through out the entire episode. That is the reason I made this thread, no other reason. He can be cocky and brag about how good he is all day because in the end he has most of the top players in DUST fighting nobody, it isn't impressive to me at all that 20-30 people can fight a few 15 minute battles a day. When the game has 10-15K players on average logged on then I may be impressed. In my opinion he made us all look like hot head crybabies to a person who only wants to help us enjoy out game to the fullest and if I had been her I would have told him to stick those districts back up to where ever he got them. I was literally embarrassed to be a part of DUST154 because of what he said and how he said it. Everyone on the show was interrupted multiple times while he splorked on for minute after minute about himself instead of highlighting problems, giving praise to hard workers in his alliance or proposing meaningful changes in a constructive manner. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2342	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:31:00 - [32] - Quote seems like they run their league through ccp and skip dns and pc. the argument kept coming up and black would interrupt and go off on a tangent repeatedly =/ joffery was pretty funny, highlight of the pod cast
Death Shadow117 Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 40	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:36:00 - [33] - Quote just like everyone else just here for the isk NOVA KNIVES WTF Are Those
Death Shadow117 Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 40	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:42:00 - [34] - Quote i also think its funny ppl are complaining about us say theyll whoop our asses then come in and get raped NOVA KNIVES WTF Are Those
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 106	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:44:00 - [35] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: So basically you have a manipulator, and a large following for whatever reason. Dns Black said he wants to run everything, he has convinced strong corps to do his work on the ground, as mercenaries this could be for several reasons. Money, popularity, "server first" props, etc. The reality of it is, what are all the malcontents going to do about it? No backroom meetings being held? No political activist starting an anti DNS revolution? All the money in all of dust and there's not 50-75 ppl who can head up with DNS consistently? I for one, don't care, I played pc and still don't care. At least he had the balls to admit flat out he wants a takeover so he can mold pc as he sees fit. Now that the info is out... who is going to stand up to the tide should be the question? Ive talked with alot of people that dont get on the forums and they would love to be apart of the fight but they dont want to sell out to another corp to do so...they dont want to be Tso,dns, or any other alliance/corp to make a impact...they want to be them -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2762	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:48:00 - [36] - Quote Whats all this tournament **** about? Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart. Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2263	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:59:00 - [37] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Whats all this tournament **** about? 5 vs 5 in a PC district is a great idea dent.. didn-¦t you get the newsletter?
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2763	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:05:00 - [38] - Quote This smells suspiciously like sports. **** sports. Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart. Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 880	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:06:00 - [39] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: As i tell all people if u dont like it do something about it, talk to allinaces train your own corp awok anything but moning about it. Simply put the alliance is going to farm isk because if we are not then someone else will be. Yes its boring as hell but unless someone does somthing about noone in their right mind will risk getting stomped by the rest. Steady... first you know that I have lot of respect for you. I do not think you have the whole point with this... the way the mechanics are and the current imblalace in ISK has tilted the filed so far in favor of your end of the spectrum that it is an order of magnitude harder for the rest of the game community to actually disrupt the current state of PC than it was for you to take it under control. It's very easy for folks in your seat to just say get good and make attack me. Most folks don't have the near endless wallet that would require. Also...as long as the mechanics of the game allow for a few dozen people to teleport instantly from one side of MH to another while they treat Dust like a part-time job and dominate that's not healthy either. The concern with DNS Black is that he's a player that is taking away whole facets of the game from others. In EVE you can move from High Sec, Low Sec, and NulSec and Wormhole space. Here it's pubs, FW which most newer players can't afford, and PC which very few can afford. That is squeezing the whole player base in a way that isn't healthy for the game. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2763	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:08:00 - [40] - Quote Don't worry about DNS Black, once the election is over he will be gone. Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart. Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.

CPL Bloodstone Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 276	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:10:00 - [41] - Quote Actually the only corp who really is fighting DNS is What the French. As much as id like to see them put to the guillotine, i have to respect them for the fight they put up both in dust and eve. If you find yourself in a fair fight, "Your tactics SUCK!"
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 880	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:16:00 - [42] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so. Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days. Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3515	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:31:00 - [43] - Quote I wonder what the isk income is... The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game Caldari Scout // specialized tank destroyer
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2265	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:32:00 - [44] - Quote CPL Bloodstone wrote: Actually the only corp who really is fighting DNS is What the French. As much as id like to see them put to the guillotine, i have to respect them for the fight they put up both in dust and eve. Top Men also beat DDB. Dont forget that.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 1969	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:41:00 - [45] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Top Men also beat DDB. Dont forget that. In fairness, we've gone 1/3 with them over the last week or so. But we still bloodied their noses a bit. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 320	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:54:00 - [46] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just here for the ISK bitches. copy that Seriously? You too, Sum1? It really pains me to see people that I used to respect just throwing away everything that has been sacrificed to promote the future of Dust. I've invested my time and my money into Dust, everything I've done regarding this game has been an investment to help push it towards a better future. Now we have seasoned players completely disregarding what is better for the future, just so they can get more ISK. Yes, it was done completely legitimately, and I have no grounds to say it should be reversed, but it infuriates me that some can be so nonchalant about the negative impact that it has. Regarding fighting back, it just isn't viable from any perspective. You can say that those outside of DNS should attack and take it back, but that is not viable or possible. With DNS's gigantic ISK well and 100% district control, it is impossible to take and hold any ground in MH. The current mechanics of PC make it a complete statistical impossibility, as any progress made or ground taken can be easily reversed and retaken. This is an indisputable fact, as dictated by game mechanics. Fighting back through negotiation and inter-corp relations is also futile, as there is no commodity to use for bargaining. For corps in DNS, there is absolutely no better state to occupy. They receive large amounts of ISK and the occasional good fight, but with no risk involved. Going against the establishment would only present either greater risk, or lesser gain. There is absolutely no motivation to ever leave the current state of agreement. The only means for gain in a rebellion against the established system would be individual, likely through stealing a large sum of ISK and some players from one of the corporations. This would have little impact, as all the corporations involved have enough layers of security to prevent one individual from having an impact large enough to disrupt their standing, leaving the traitor with a lot of ISK and little power.
Sum1ne Else Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 1093	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:58:00 - [47] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Sum1ne Else wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I'm just here for the ISK bitches. copy that Seriously? You too, Sum1? PM me in game, happy to chat in squad.. Its a liopleuradon Charlie a magical lioplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
Appia Nappia 550	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:01:00 - [48] - Quote omg, his little joffrey-rage when he heard people wouldn't do exactly what he wanted. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Appia Nappia 550	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:04:00 - [49] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so. Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days. Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case. Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2369	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:32:00 - [50] - Quote They can be beat, I could lead the way with the right corps and funding but I don't think that the community is willing to invest the time, ISK or blood that would be required for us to take back a good bit of the districts. In my mind I say we could take back and hold around half of the districts, but with morale as it is and the speculation of a PC overhaul coming then I just don't think that we have it in us. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2266	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:37:00 - [51] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: They can be beat, I could lead the way with the right corps and funding but I don't think that the community is willing to invest the time, ISK or blood that would be required for us to take back a good bit of the districts. In my mind I say we could take back and hold around half of the districts, but with morale as it is and the speculation of a PC overhaul coming then I just don't think that we have it in us. Just wait for PC 2.0 reset, and laugh at the neckbeard's efforts when they cry about more districts being opened up, ISK being devalued and all districts resetting to neutral status.
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2369	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:43:00 - [52] - Quote We can do it now but it will take 4-6 weeks and just don't think that most of us have the will power to do it. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2266	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:46:00 - [53] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Top Men also beat DDB. Dont forget that. In fairness, we've gone 1/3 with them over the last week or so. But we still bloodied their noses a bit. I'm just illustrating the chest thumping of "coach" DNSBlack. xD
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2633	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:02:00 - [54] - Quote KEQ's Alt Corp is the real corp leading DNS... look at it's name How to Leave PC
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 143	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:04:00 - [55] - Quote I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me. VonSpliff, Merc Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2372	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:13:00 - [56] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me. VonSpliff, Merc Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel Black said he as won DUST - with no acknowledgement to any corp working towards his vision - and that the end game is turning PC into a DNS tournament league, you don't even know why you are fighting or for who because you don't care and that is the problem. No one cares, if you want PC to be a tournament league so you can fight the same people over and over then be my guest and have fun. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2271	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:14:00 - [57] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me. VonSpliff, Merc Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel Ok... Peasant
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. Top Men. 2634	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:29:00 - [58] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: VonSpliff wrote: I don't know who that guy is, don't care. I personally follow Cubs and whomever he puts in charge. But if you think this guy speaks for the entire alliance you are mistaken. I don't know what the end game is but I promise it will not be announced on any forum. If you see an announcement it will already be too late. We are going to take MH. So please make a anti DNS alliance and try to stop it. Or you forum warriors just stay outside and whin to CCP to change PC. Either way it's a win to me. VonSpliff, Merc Tribal Voice - Minmatar FW Channel Black said he has won DUST - with no acknowledgement to any corp working towards his vision - and that the end game is turning PC into a DNS tournament league, you don't even know why you are fighting or for who because you don't care and that is the problem. No one cares, if you want PC to be a tournament league so you can fight the same people over and over then be my guest and have fun. You don't know the truth, there's only one person in control... ContraBanJoe you know it is true, he controls DNS Serious Note, Forum Warriors lacking Intel or DNS, as well as DNSBlack line members don't act like you know the truth Intel Officers from in and out of DNS, (See Above) Real Intel Officers/Freelance Spies You know a decent amount of the truth, but you don't see the large picture Kain, (Various Spymasters/Intel Directors), (Those truly in the know there's 3 people included in this) You know what going to happen How to Leave PC
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 884	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:39:00 - [59] - Quote ^ spot on, Killar. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 884	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:46:00 - [60] - Quote Appia Nappia wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: People arent doing anything because they dont care enough to do so. Sure, people might talk about standing up to the new powerblock but they arent willing to put in the time, effort and resources to do so. Its possible for a single player to farm enough ISK for a clone pack within a week and a half by running a cheap 5k suit and blitzing ambush matches. That means that if 1000 people did this, you would have enough capital to blitz all of MH for four days straight based on income generated in 10 days. Why arent people doing it? Because its just not important enough for them to put the effort in. Its easy enough to come onto forums and complain and hope someone else does it for you but most balk when they actually have to work for it. So far, there have been some that have attacked but its mainly been disorganized raids than a blitz. Canari - you are overlooking the fact that the imbalances of ISK and current mechanics give major advantages to you. Do you honestly think the game is in a healthy place right now? When you have the bad NPE and the proposed endgame mode frozen out from the bulk of the community and folks like you (yes, I said it) running endless protostomps in pubs...how is that good? I don't fault you guys for an instant for taking advantage of the mechanics and putting in the work. When you make comments like that I think it's pretty disrespectful of folks that truly care about the game, trying to help it and the community, and frankly don't treat dust like a second job. From the tone of you post you seem to think that everyone can just whistle up a clone pack and away they go. You know as well as I do that's not the case. Jaysyn. Give Canari a break. He needs to hold party lines, don't expect someone in his position to break away to tell the truth Appia, I don't mind (and expect) Canari to stick to DNS message even though it's obvious there are issues in all directions with PC. I think his tone and glancing attack on the Dust community writ large was the issue - particularly for someone that wants to be on the CPM. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen



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