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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:43:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
Actually, that part doesn't really matter. I couldn't care less how mr. black wants to metagame people into forming his little PC league or w/e. I don't care if black is trying to 'force ccp's hand' via excluding all but his chosen.
What matters is, all this glorious posting about it.
Daily reminder: you all are ~this upset~ about a barely functional lobby shooter on a previous generation console |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2008
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Posted - 2014.04.16 20:44:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
How is it good for everyone involved if there's nobody left to merc for/against?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
291
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:11:00 -
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What I'm interested in is how CCP will react to this.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
478
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:20:00 -
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what ccp needs to do is rebuild pc and open more regions to fight over |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
603
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:21:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:What I'm interested in is how CCP will react to this.
for maximum tears: hopefully not at all |
Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
292
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:25:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:what ccp needs to do is rebuild pc and open more regions to fight over
If they just open more districts, DNS will just take over more of them...it doesn't do anything.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Bormir1r
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
292
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:28:00 -
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Appia Nappia wrote:omg, his little joffrey-rage when he heard people wouldn't do exactly what he wanted.
lol you know what happens to Geoffrey right? Season 4 Ep.2 cliff hanger.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Omega Black Zero
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:41:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Appia Nappia wrote:omg, his little joffrey-rage when he heard people wouldn't do exactly what he wanted. lol you know what happens to Geoffrey right? Season 4 Ep.2 cliff hanger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3QW8PVyyNM |
Knight Solitaire
751
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:45:00 -
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You people act as if the players of DNS are doing this because we agree with whats going on.
I earned more ISK in one PC match for DV than I would have earned playing a week of pubs.
/Result
Faigh dea
"Knight Soiaire has the best RE Game" - Crimson Moon V
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1953
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:46:00 -
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theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it.
this game makes me sad....
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
5090
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:47:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm just here for the ISK bitches.
Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
523
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:49:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support).
So my Tinfoil Hat Senses were piqued yesterday ready an EVE Dev blog about the changes to industry.
One was the introduction of Teams: the workforce of new Eden.
A future dev blog will actually explain wtf that means.
Really hope it somehow involves DUST. ...
Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
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WhataguyTTU
0uter.Heaven
97
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:02:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it.
Sorry man but that is just not true at all.
1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly.
a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches.
2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS)
3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays.
The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder.
I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville. |
General John Ripper
20100
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:24:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.
Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:54:00 -
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Why does he say that pub matches are called protos? |
Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2359
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:40:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
100% true. Nice to see someone understands the game
Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
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Rusty Shallows
1527
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:46:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:There is no way to stop it because of community mechanics actually. Everyone is ready to whine and whine and whine, but nobody is willing to do anything to stop DNS, there are more ways than just clone pack attacks. I remember everyone crying back in the day that EON is unstoppable and what happened? I'm not pretending it's the same exact situation, I'm just saying there are ways, but your tears will only feed DNS.
For someone calling others whiners your tone is rife with it.
Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting.
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Cinnamon267
147
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:13:00 -
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DNSBlack just says a lot of stuff.... that means, almost, nothing? He's insanely rude and insanely aggressive. Supper annoying. |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
2756
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:22:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville. 100% true. Nice to see someone understands the game
Hardly Beers,
His post would actually hold merit if you know... OH was considered top tier... derp
The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions
Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
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Zaaeed Massani
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
200
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:32:00 -
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I have to admit, if I were in DNS and PC-active and on the receiving end of the boatload of ISK they have...I would probably overlook what the leader of DNS did.
As long as my salary was high enough.
Not proud of it, but that's how it would likely be.
Proud Federal Marine & Republic Commando
/
Do you even lift?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
414
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:11:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0
If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
524
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:21:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0 If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people.
elongating the attack window would work wonders for PC.
force-projection would be hampered some, but it would give breathing room in pc.
it would require actual alliance/coalition size work to donut MH.
not just 160 super active players.
...but, itll never happen, so...gg?
Deciphering the truth from a web of lies is far easier than you'd think. Especially if you're a bureaucrat.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
415
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:42:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:The manpower and capital that even The Legion of DarkStar corp alone has, could make a big difference, but like everyone else, they are not interested in doing anything to stop DNS. It's all talk and no act. I should probably stop before I get kicked for talking some sense into the community. TUL and DARKSTAR ARMY wont do pc because the mode is a giant pile of timer battle crap, when we can attack without warning expet us to strike, untill then have fun in the crap mode that is pc 1.0 If you don't care about PC then why complain who's controlling it? Not saying you are cause I'm not sure if you are, but a lot of other people are. And if it ever turns into attacks without warnings, that will only reward the most active players / biggest corps, thus throwing actual player skill out the window, because you can't expect everyone in a small "elite" corp to be online 24/7. Small corps need to know before hand when they will be needed. Big corps are not affected by that so much because they most likely have enough players online around the clock and can just spam attacks against smaller corps and even if the smaller corp has "better" players, they cannot do anything when they are asleep or at work or otherwise busy. When there is a timer, small corps have the time to announce about it and gather the people. elongating the attack window would work wonders for PC. force-projection would be hampered some, but it would give breathing room in pc. it would require actual alliance/coalition size work to donut MH. not just 160 super active players. ...but, itll never happen, so...gg?
The way I see it is that instead of instant attacks or 1h timer per day you should be able to choose to attack within 12-24h of current time, not sooner, not later. So lets say for example's sake that it's now 12:00 1st of January 2015 and you want to attack X corp, you can set the attack for 0:00-12:00 (exluding 11:00-11:30) 2nd of January 2015. Not any sooner, not any later, of course you would not be allowed to attack during downtime, so that time would not be selectible.
Well, that's just my idea.
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 Vehicles & AV, you will be missed.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2434
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:31:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is. It's not his vision of PC, it's his vision of Molden Heath. In true EVE/sandbox fashion, if he can create and hold an alliance that holds all districts in Molden Heath then he can try to put his Molden Heath league together.
I stand corrected, it is his vision of Molden Heath and yes if can create and hold 100% then he can put the Molden Heath league together but it is my vision that says he is wrong. The game needs passion and drive and his is different than mine. I am not saying he shouldn't be able to do it but I am saying that it isn't the right thing to do.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1966
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:56:00 -
[115] - Quote
WhataguyTTU wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:theres only one reason why DNS controls pc right now.
it's because the rest of the community lets them.
form an alliance and attack them 24/7 eventually you will overwhelm them...
it's not that they are the best players, they just have the best alliance right now, there are enough of them and they are organized enough to control pc.
kock them off their pedestal by force or just QQ about how you don't like them...
either way I don't care, I play pubs and fw and think pc is a joke and have no use for it. Sorry man but that is just not true at all. 1.) Top end corps outside of the blue donut just don't have the isk funds to do attack relentlessly. a.) ya ya corp tax, ISK fund-raisers, whatever. Doesn't matter when your players get burned out from losing 19 of 20 matches. 2.) They have some serious pool of talent, both gun game and tactic wise. Without many months of PC practice, not many stand a chance against them. (Most people with this kind of PC experience are in DNS) 3.) People in this game treat it like a highschool girl simulator, holding grudges against each other and not wishing to aid others that have the greatest chance of making a dent against these DNS gays. The DNS guys are just playing ignorance that they are not enjoying tag teaming each others a$$holes accumulating the meaningless mass income of ISK allowing to pubstomp even harder. I've sid it before, bye bye Dust NPE and hello ISKville.
well it seems to have worked in the past, and fw is a good practice area for pc mechanics.... the alliances that outside of the blue donut need to get serious and expand if they care about pc....
or someone needs to have the cleverness and wit to get inside dns and turn on them....espionage has toppled the biggest alliances in eve in the past.
I'm not saying any of it is easy or that ccp doesn't have the mechanics of pc so effed up that any aggressor against dns isn't at a disadvantage, I'm just saying it isn't impossible, the right people just need to come along and organize their downfall...it will happen eventually.
of course who ever does wind up controlling molden heath next will be just as bad as dns once the smoke clears... power is the great corrupter.
this game makes me sad....
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Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:10:00 -
[116] - Quote
This game has far to many bugs and balancing issues for one to actually give a damn. PC is broken and hopefully will be reset sometime. |
Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
2
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:09:00 -
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Once again the justification for stalemating the game and ruining the intent of the product by hiding behind the poor excuse of "sandbox".
CCP has said they take a hands off approach to their game(s). They wait and see what restrictions to place on the game based on balance rather than arbitrarily restrict it.
It is obvious to me at this point that CCP largely has to do that because they do not have the resources to design that much failsafes ahead of time. They can only divert resources to fix problems as they occur. They can't even hardly get the basics of a game working after a reasonable amount of time. You think they have enough time and resources to devote to plugging holes before they occur?
Also, they don't know what holes need plugging or how to go about it until they get feedback and playtesting data.
Sadly, fruitcakes like the one in the podcast cause CCP to have to focus on what restrictions are needed rather than develop the game otherwise. Guess we found the hole that needs plugging, amiright?
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2435
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:18:00 -
[118] - Quote
What needs fixing is the junk attack mechanic. Fix that and it will work itself out.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Dj grammer
Red Star.
EoN.
192
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:26:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I just want people to hear what DNS's vision of PC is.
There's no point. DNS claims to care when in all reality they don't. Hell if I was CCP I would reset EVERYONE'S assets and skill points. Everyone starts from square one
Back to the point, let them talk. They are great at such a horrible game anyways. I wonder what would happen if you brought them to another FPS where everything is unlocked by level, the roles are already set but each comes with consequences, and there is no FOTM to be noticed. Oh yeah its called Battlefield
So seinf as of how DNS is killing them game, this means no player base in the near future most likely in the next 2-3 months
Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet.
Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0.
Yea that old.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
800
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Posted - 2014.04.17 11:23:00 -
[120] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Funny that someone from EVE would think they could directly control aspects of dust. While they can influence factors, outright control is impossible. ATM, the alliance is simply good for everyone involved, via the isk generation.
Beyond that, we are still mercs. Hopefully the future of dust begins to actually address this fact, We Are Mercenaries. The problem atm is EvE has no reason to rely on dust characters, and vice versa (aside from OB support). How is it good for everyone involved if there's nobody left to merc for/against?
ISK, the lifeblood of New Eden
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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